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The ego was integrated- not destroyed. It was not "bad" I simply wished to enlarge it and transform it, into a vehicle for consciousness that has the tools for two very different environments.
Originally posted by Bluesma
reply to post by InTheLight
This is what tends to be so hard to express- that my "self" has layer upon layer, upon layer, and though some are more superficial and can be observed by another (my behavior, expressions, visual appearence)
others are deeper, and they influence that superficial layer, but nobody else can see them (my values, ethics, framework of belief on reality)
And others go even deeper, to point of consciousness that has no intent, no preference, nothing specific about it.
But that deepest level of self, is not worth trying to share in language on a board. It has nothing to say, it has no emotional state, it is observer.
Only going up in more superificial layers, is there things to be said, expressed, differentiation.
If everyone here wants to call "ego" that most superficial layer, that others can see and hear- fine.
The definition of the word is "self" or "self awareness" and I experience much more to self than just that layer, so I cannot agree with the idea that self is bad, or a prison to escape, no more than a person could say hair on your body is a prison, and only in shaving it off can one be happy.
But I guess we all have different experience of self and what it is.
But that deepest level of self, is not worth trying to share in language on a board. It has nothing to say, it has no emotional state, it is observer.
Originally posted by Bluesma
reply to post by Itisnowagain
I made no claim that you were fighting and defending. You'll have to take that up with the other person who feels that.
But I wonder how your child makes sense of this, and if you teach them to sy to the teacher, "I did not do my homework- homework was done."
Or to your spouse, "I do not need to say I love you, for you do not exist, we are one."
Or to your boss, "Finish that report before tonight? What "tonight"? There is no tonight. There is only now!"
It just seems not very pragmatic! ( I hope you understand this is meant in a friendly way, and my questions are sincere)
Originally posted by Itisnowagain
I do not speak non dual language in every day situations. I am on a forum sharing what I know about the subject at hand.
I can see that there are many on ats who think that I don't see people or work or socialize - they think that I don't have a life - I don't 'have' a life - I 'am' life. Life is happening - it does not stop when non duality is realized. It stays the same but is completely different - it is easy and amusing. It is so much fuller and there is no anxiety or fear. It's totally amazing.
I would like everyone to have it and that is why I share.
Originally posted by Itisnowagain
reply to post by Bluesma
Whatever it is that I am does not change when I go to work - it is always the same - it is the one constant.
I know what I am - I am nothing in particular.
Originally posted by Bluesma
Originally posted by Itisnowagain
reply to post by Bluesma
Whatever it is that I am does not change when I go to work - it is always the same - it is the one constant.
I know what I am - I am nothing in particular.
Of course you know that that is true of me too then.
Originally posted by Bluesma
Your "egoless" self, sure does a rather good job of shutting down all creativity between others, monopolizing conversations, and negating any value except itself.
Originally posted by Bluesma
reply to post by InTheLight
This is what tends to be so hard to express- that my "self" has layer upon layer, upon layer, and though some are more superficial and can be observed by another (my behavior, expressions, visual appearence)
others are deeper, and they influence that superficial layer, but nobody else can see them (my values, ethics, framework of belief on reality)
And others go even deeper, to point of consciousness that has no intent, no preference, nothing specific about it.
But that deepest level of self, is not worth trying to share in language on a board. It has nothing to say, it has no emotional state, it is observer.
Only going up in more superificial layers, is there things to be said, expressed, differentiation.
If everyone here wants to call "ego" that most superficial layer, that others can see and hear- fine.
The definition of the word is "self" or "self awareness" and I experience much more to self than just that layer, so I cannot agree with the idea that self is bad, or a prison to escape, no more than a person could say hair on your body is a prison, and only in shaving it off can one be happy.
But I guess we all have different experience of self and what it is.
Originally posted by Angle
reply to post by Bluesma
What emotion are you sharing Bluesma? It's quite funny. In fact, what exactly are you saying? You shouldn't doubt about yourself because of what Itisnowagain is saying, he has no intent in hurting people even if ego was a burden he would be carrying.
One should observe what exactly one feels and why. What you expressed is something that was lingering everlong. We can choose to be like that, always. One even could always find a reason to be so. Admit, what you felt is so 'disturbing'. Rise abuv!
Originally posted by mysticnoon
Originally posted by Bluesma
Your "egoless" self, sure does a rather good job of shutting down all creativity between others, monopolizing conversations, and negating any value except itself.
If I may add another perspective?
While I agree that there is little scope for an in-depth dialogue with postings of that nature, I still find them oddly refreshing, kind of like a little rest-break from all the intensity of many of the discussions going on here.
Everyone's posts have some value.... for someone.