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Originally posted by ZeroDeep
The U.S helped ensure that this mans family was flown out of the country after 9/11. The U.S instead of going after Osama, decided to go into a country that had NOTHING to do with the attacks on America.
Originally posted by Muaddib
About the Koran, i have links to the Koran and what it teaches, and many of the things it teaches are not about peace and love to those who are not Muslim.
Originally posted by Jakomo
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Yeah, Castro is the Devil himself. Haha.
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Originally posted by drbryankkruta
It is not my position to judge anyone, but what kind of provocation would a God have to be this hostile......I mean sending your people out to die to uphold your will and killing those who appose you. Better yet what is the incentive to fallow a God of such great disreguard for yours and others well being..
Originally posted by Muaddib
Now I am not claiming that all Muslims follow this radical view of Islam, but it is the way it was meant to be followed and it is exactly the first thing that the newly converted Muslims did in the Dark Ages...
Originally posted by Muaddib
Quran itself means submission to Allah, and in itself it teaches that it should be done by the sword if people do not accept it. This was the radical way in which it was written, and even how Muhammed lived....
Muhammed was not a peaceful man nomatter how many times some Muslims claim otherwise, history shows this as well as some of the scriptures of Quran.
Now I am not claiming that all Muslims follow this radical view of Islam, but it is the way it was meant to be followed and it is exactly the first thing that the newly converted Muslims did in the Dark Ages...they went out into the world to teach Islam by the sword. This is the path that radical Muslims are following this dayandage.
[edit on 25-10-2004 by Muaddib]
Quran itself means submission to Allah
and in itself it teaches that it should be done by the sword if people do not accept it.
Originally posted by Durden
Originally posted by Muaddib
Now I am not claiming that all Muslims follow this radical view of Islam, but it is the way it was meant to be followed and it is exactly the first thing that the newly converted Muslims did in the Dark Ages...
Hold on a minute there. You actually claim to know more about how the Quran should be followed as opposed to how the majority of muslims read it??
What is your area of expertise here, exactly?
Originally posted by Durden
Hold on a minute there. You actually claim to know more about how the Quran should be followed as opposed to how the majority of muslims read it??
What is your area of expertise here, exactly?
Originally posted by paperclip
No, it doesn't. Qur'an means "reading, recitation". Islam means "submission".
Originally posted by paperclip
[2:256] There shall be no compulsion in religion
[10:99] Had your Lord willed, all the people on earth would have believed. Do you want to force the people to become believers? (and by forcing them, put yourself above the will of God, huge sin in Islam, btw)
Originally posted by Muaddib
I said...it is the way it was meant to be because that's exactly the first thing that they did.....
I am not claiming that all Muslims follow this radical view of Islam, but it is the way it was meant to be followed and it is exactly the first thing that the newly converted Muslims did in the Dark Ages...
Originally posted by DeltaChaos
I don't believe that the fundamentalist Muslims are attempting to convert anyone to their beliefs. I do believe that they are trying to make all that do not believe die, though.
Originally posted by paperclip
Just because somebody offers you the reason why killings are commited, that doesn't mean we support or condone them.
Now, to something else.
There is a fundamental flaw in that statement. It is not killing that gets you to heaven. It is your will to give up your own life to DEFEND your family, country, land or faith, that opens the gate of paradise.
I emphasize the word "defend" here, because according to Qur'an, that is one of two times a killing is allowed.
Jihad is a term used to describe the complexity of this inner struggle, and part of it contains the ultimate sacrifice for the greater good: your own life.
So, yes, Jihad does guarantee a place in heaven, only Jihad is not what you (or bin Laden for that matter) think it is. Your understanding of it is very vague, incomplete, inaccurate and very simplified.
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YUSUFALI: They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks;-
PICKTHAL: They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them,
SHAKIR: They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.
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YUSUFALI: Say to the Unbelievers, if (now) they desist (from Unbelief), their past would be forgiven them; but if they persist, the punishment of those before them is already (a matter of warning for them).
PICKTHAL: Tell those who disbelieve that if they cease (from persecution of believers) that which is past will be forgiven them; but if they return (thereto) then the example of the men of old hath already gone (before them, for a warning).
SHAKIR: Say to those who disbelieve, if they desist, that which is past shall be forgiven to them; and if they return, then what happened to the ancients has already passed.
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YUSUFALI: And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah altogether and everywhere; but if they cease, verily Allah doth see all that they do.
PICKTHAL: And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is all for Allah. But if they cease, then lo! Allah is Seer of what they do.
SHAKIR: And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah; but if they desist, then surely Allah sees what they do.
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YUSUFALI: Muhammad is the messenger of Allah; and those who are with him are strong against Unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other. Thou wilt see them bow and prostrate themselves (in prayer), seeking Grace from Allah and (His) Good Pleasure. On their faces are their marks, (being) the traces of their prostration. This is their similitude in the Taurat; and their similitude in the Gospel is: like a seed which sends forth its blade, then makes it strong; it then becomes thick, and it stands on its own stem, (filling) the sowers with wonder and delight. As a result, it fills the Unbelievers with rage at them. Allah has promised those among them who believe and do righteous deeds forgiveness, and a great Reward.
Originally posted by Durden
And as to the actions by muslims in the Dark Ages in the name of Allah; The Crusades ring a bell?
[edit on 25-10-2004 by Durden]
Originally posted by Muaddib
The Qoran has many verses which contradict each other