FOX News and Others Take Ryan to the Woodshed for "Blatant Lies." ...Seriously, FOX News.

reply to post by miniatus


Yeah she's hardly the voice of Fox. Here's a few of the positions she has held:

Senior Campaign Strategist/Co-Director for the Center for Community Change
Executive Director of the Third Wave Foundation
Fellow at the Ford Foundation
Vaid Fellow at the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force Policy Institute (she herself is a lesbian)
Consultant at the Urban Justice Center
Strategic Adviser to the Social Justice Infrastructure Funders

Now this isn't to say that Ryan didn't lie. However to hold Kohn up as being representative of the political views at Fox News is dishonest. It should also be mentioned that she doesn't consider herself a journalist. In her own words:

It's so funny, people keep thanking me for being a journalist but I'm not. I'm an opinion writer who tries to be fair.

Paul Ryan "My playlist starts with AC/DC and ends with Zepellin".

He even outsources his music. If I were running for Vice President, I'd probably mention AMERICAN rock bands, not Australian and English ones.

Many of us have heard the lies already and I think it's no better than the lie that Obama told when he said he would get us out of the wars. Quite a few people believed him and voted for him based on that reason alone.

Now look at the lies that Romney and Ryan are spreading.....can we not see that even if they were elected that they would not do as they say?

The real sad part about this is that all those people in Tampa and all those people watching at home believed Paul Ryan, will vote for them anyway and will not see him for what he is.....a liar.

What's more interesting to me, is that on the day that the current VP nominee is giving his big speech to the RNC, they cancelled all of Sarah Palin's appearances on FOX NEWS.

Who better to provide analysis of the speech than the previous nominee, who's overwhelmingly popular with the far right voters that Romney/Ryan are trying to pick up?

This cancellation was a complete mystery.

Originally posted by sheepslayer247
Many of us have heard the lies already and I think it's no better than the lie that Obama told when he said he would get us out of the wars. Quite a few people believed him and voted for him based on that reason alone.

Now look at the lies that Romney and Ryan are spreading.....can we not see that even if they were elected that they would not do as they say?

The real sad part about this is that all those people in Tampa and all those people watching at home believed Paul Ryan, will vote for them anyway and will not see him for what he is.....a liar.

The sad part is that Romney and Ryan have both told the lies so many times on the campaign trail, that they probably believe them themselves by now.

Originally posted by thepresident
Fox news and the rest of the liberals are trying to make a good man sound bad.

Poor Paul Ryan

I think Paul Ryan is doing a good enough at making Paul Ryan sound bad. He doesn't need help from anyone else.

reply to post by miniatus


But that's all Fox "News" is, opinion and entertainment.

Read the "Fox Can Lie" lawsuit, filed by two former Fox affiliate station owners who refused the networks demand they knowingly include false information in their report concerning Monsanto.

Fox's response was to admit they're just an entertainment opinion show.

reply to post by babybunnies


I disagree. Romney, Ryan and all politicians regardless of party know exactly what lies they are spreading. If they don't, we need to question their intelligence and why they are allowed to hold public office.

Not that I care about Fox or Ryan 1 single ounce, but you guys seem to be blowing this way out of porportion. You make it sound like he lied about killing hookers and selling blow by the kilo or something. These are no different really then the lies that all the other politicians tell on the campaign trail.

Regardless what side you are on, political hit pieces shouldn't give you a hard on. Take a break and realize none of this is important in the long run. It is not an us vs. them scenario, they are not your enemies.

MSM doing their job every day....you guys letting them do it. You are good consumers.

No...its not Fox News... its ALL MSM news. They are all owned by the man with deep pockets. They tell their news biatches what to talk about, as well as the politicians when they appear, because they bankroll them too.

We also can not forget about the banks, and our tax dollars being put to use to showcase the circus.

Cant forget about the clowns, gotta have plenty of those.

Distract the roaches while I spray them with poison safe from my palace abroad the mountain top.

::throws bread crumbs at the peasants::

Fight little ones fight!!

here, play with these.. ::gives them control of biological weapons::...

...Have fun kids...

We are #1 We are #1

Originally posted by Xcalibur254
reply to post by miniatus

 

Yeah she's hardly the voice of Fox. Here's a few of the positions she has held:

Senior Campaign Strategist/Co-Director for the Center for Community Change
Executive Director of the Third Wave Foundation
Fellow at the Ford Foundation
Vaid Fellow at the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force Policy Institute (she herself is a lesbian)
Consultant at the Urban Justice Center
Strategic Adviser to the Social Justice Infrastructure Funders

Now this isn't to say that Ryan didn't lie. However to hold Kohn up as being representative of the political views at Fox News is dishonest. It should also be mentioned that she doesn't consider herself a journalist. In her own words:

It's so funny, people keep thanking me for being a journalist but I'm not. I'm an opinion writer who tries to be fair.

edit on 8/30/2012 by Xcalibur254 because: (no reason given)

exactly.. I am just overly amused that I got labeled a ryan defender for pointing out the fact she's an oped writer that seemingly leans left and that it shouldn't be an indicator that fox is anti-ryan ... some people are very sensitive in their political passions I suppose. they saw me disagreeing with the op's main point ( that fox is speaking out against ryan ) and came for my jugular .. jk

Originally posted by Blackmarketeer
reply to post by miniatus

 

But that's all Fox "News" is, opinion and entertainment.

Read the "Fox Can Lie" lawsuit, filed by two former Fox affiliate station owners who refused the networks demand they knowingly include false information in their report concerning Monsanto.

Fox's response was to admit they're just an entertainment opinion show.

That is fair to say.. it's all opinion .. but when it comes to the face of fox news, the on air anchors.. they are notoriously conservative and right wing... The author of this op-ed will NEVER have a show on fox news.. her view points do not mesh with fox's overall image

Originally posted by pajoly
Even FOX News has had it with the lies of Paul Ryan.

On the other hand, to anyone paying the slightest bit of attention to facts, Ryan’s speech was an apparent attempt to set the world record for the greatest number of blatant lies and misrepresentations slipped into a single political speech.

You know the line has been well-crossed when even FOX News goes on the record to take down one of its own, much less their golden boy. But good for them and I give credit where due. Well done FOX. You are in good company today. The media today is rife with incensed reporters fuming over the raw audacity of Ryan's lies and they are not mincing words. The FOX article is maybe even the harshest. It will be very hard for the Right to pretend Ryan is not habitually lying now...they can't trot out the same "lame stream liberal media" crap, unless of course they think FOX is now a liberal voice.

It was an opinion piece written by a long time liberal commentator. Fox news allows such opinion pieces all of the time, but they are hardly representative of their overall mission.

edit on 30-8-2012 by MrPlow because: (no reason given)

Originally posted by Crakeur
Once again, it looks like the republicans are trying to throw the election.

Seriously, Romney is running for president and he not only refuses to release tax returns, his wife pulls a "let them eat cake" and tells everyone to buzz off, then the "legit rape" comments, and the organ shuttting down follow up, to further distance the republican party from normal, thinking humans, and now they are lying so much that even their most ardent media support is calling them out?

Think back to McCain and his selection of Palin for VP. How on earth did his vetting committee miss the issues that plagued her while she was in office? How'd they miss the pregnant teen? How'd they miss the accusations of the other child being a grandchild?


They knew there was plenty of bad coming down the pike, they knew the economy was teetering on the edge of awful.

Jump ahead 4 years. We've get that debt cliff on the horizon, we've got a middle east that inches closer to all out chaos daily, Iran/Israel basically waiting for a bird fart to set them off and god knows what else coming our way. Only a complete moron would think that he could fix these problems so, anyone taking office now would be stuck riding it out and, potentially, being blamed for it. Obama takes plenty of blame for the mess he's currently in and it isn't all his fault.

Pretty much my thoughts as well. All along I've wondered if the Republicans were really just some kind of political genius machine. They set up the perfect political storm for Obama to step into when he was elected. Multiple wars, bail outs, world economy on the verge of collapse. Then they hunker down like snapping turtles in the muck unwilling to move on anything that was even remotely touched by Obama and at the same time sweep the tea party into their ranks. Now they have Romney and company leading the charge into 2012, yet they are shooting themselves in the foot all the time, like Olympic Badminton hoping for a better match up in 2016?

Crazy as a fox?

FOX knows that Romney/Ryan can't win so they are exposing lies from the Romney/Ryan camp so that later on, they can point to it and say that they are non-partisan. I'm sure it's calculated on their part so they can call themselves 'credible' later .. like in 2016 when they have to take on Hillary when she runs.

Side note - Obamacare does raid medicare ... but other than that, the rest of Ryans chatter was :shk:

reply to post by Helmkat


exactly my thinking and, when Christie, who is the odds on favorite for 2016, gives a keynote address that seems on the fence about Romney, it seems even more plausible that they don't want, nor do they expect, to win in 2012.

Originally posted by Crakeur

Think back to McCain and his selection of Palin for VP.

You lost half your audience with the word "think"...

Maybe if you asked them to "feel"???

Honesty doesn't matter to voters who just know that man in the Whitehouse is the "other"...It's a "feeling" so strong that facts simply don't matter. He is "Marxist", "Socialist", "Muslim" "Kenyan"....not like you....the definitions of those words aren't important either because they are just place holders for a word the public isn't comfortable with.

"Think"???....good luck with that expectation...Let's hope more than 50% of Americans choose to.

reply to post by pajoly


Read Fraud by Paul Waldman wherein he documents 262 out and out blantant lies uttred by Bush Jr.

In my opinion you cannot trust any politician or person in power as far as I can spit and I cannot spit very far.

They're all a bunch of liars and psychopaths and that is the reason our planet and civilization is going down the tube.

That and people not caring enough to really revolt and we would need millions, not one or two thousand but millions upon millions of those that do the real work to stop doing the work, unite and revolt by not complying. Not a violent revolt but a passive, just stop doing the real work and make those at the top clean their own toilets.

There is a movie out, I never got to see about one day (I think in California) everyone wakes up and all the Mexicans have gone, disappeared off the face of the Earth - and the Gringos (of which I am one) have to mow their own lawns, clean their own toilets, flip their own McBurgers and do the rest of the REAL WORK.

We're in the mess we are in and have only ourselves to blame because we do not or have never held these pack of liars (Bush lied about 911 - and Iraq, indirectly responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths and 4 million children now orphaned) WE HAVE NEVER HELD LIARS ACCOUNTABLE.

We never hold those that do the massive crimes, the big stuff that involves whole countries thrown into misery - we only hang the stupid and those that do the petty junk that can't talk their way our of it, have the connections or the money to afford million dollar lawyers.

I say take em all out behind the barn and do more than give them a whooping.

We need some God fearing, good, honest, decent people to lead us, not the satanic, deceitful, snot nose Bohemian / Bilderberg / Rothchild idiots that are hell bent on destroying the 99% of us.

Whatever happened to common decency and honor?

My husband loves the program "House" about a rebel doctor, in this program House states, "Everybody lies".

Pretty much I don't. I'm not perfect, but I'm not deceitful, but then again I would rather live off in a cabin up in Canada than the White House. Don't want power, never did.

Watched people with power, big fish in little ponds and the old adage, "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely" is one of the truest sayings.................NEVER saw any person that once they obtained power over others it didn't corrupt them to an extent.

Our voting is a sham, to give the illusion of "choice".

Our prisons are full of the stupid petty criminals (the ones like Bush that indirectly are responsible for torture, rape, murder and destruction on a massive scale get to retire on 99,000 acres in Paraguay with our tax money - won't get into the pensions he stole from his two bankrupt companies he ran...........research that one.

The rich, elite are above the law and can lie, cheat, steal, rape and murder - the poor man (not condoning any crime against another) but the petty criminal goes to jail, the rich retire in luxury.

Justice in this world is blind, deaf and dumb.

Originally posted by Crakeur
when Christie, who is the odds on favorite for 2016, gives a keynote address that seems on the fence about Romney,

TRUE .. in fact I'd say that's an understatement. Christie wasn't the usual Christie. He obviously wanted the national exposure but at the same time he didn't get into Romney during his speech but spent most of the time talking about HIMSELF. Even FOX was talking about how he did that.

I see in 2016 - Christie vs Hillary. And considering the lack of enthusiasm for Romney/Ryan with the Republicans, I think they see it that way too.

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
Here is another big lie he told during the speech.

Paul Ryan Links Obama Policies to GM Plant Closed Under George W. Bush

In his speech Wednesday evening, Rep. Paul Ryan referenced a Janesville, Wis. GM plant that was shut down, linking its closure to President Obama, who gave a speech there in 2008. But it turns out the last GM vehicle produced at the plant was in late 2008 when George W. Bush was still president.
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The announcement to close the Janesville plant came in June of 2008, after then-candidate Obama spoke there

This is just another example that this campaign thinks the American people are stupid and won't pay attention to the facts.

Once again you remain misinformed....

The plant closed in 2009 for good just as indicated by Ryan. In 2008 they ceased production of SUV's but still remained open with a lighter staff to complete Isuzu orders. Obama promised to keep it open...

In his speech in Janesville, then-Sen. Obama said that if elected, he would support retooling the Janesville plant to make energy efficient vehicles. Despite his administration’s carefully shepherding of GM through bankruptcy, the Janesville plant has not been retooled to make anything.

The plant shut its doors for good in 2009. According to an Associated Press article in the local Rockford Register Star, the plant ceased operations of large SUVs – its main product -- on December 31, 2008 and was scheduled to completely shut down several months later.

“About 50 workers will remain at the Janesville plant to complete an order of small- to medium-duty trucks for Isuzu Motors Ltd. They’re scheduled to finish by May or June, and then the plant will close down for good,” The Rockford Register Star reported December 31, 2008, citing GM spokesman Christopher Lee.

Another article – from the Janesville Gazette – reported that the plant continued operations into 2009, building medium-duty delivery trucks for Japanese automaker Isuzu.

“Full-size sport utility vehicle production has ended at the local General Motors plant, but medium-duty truck production is continuing—not starting—in Janesville. And it likely will continue into May, when the lights finally go off in the facility that has been producing vehicles since 1923” the paper reported February 2, 2009.

In fact, a GM press release confirms that the automaker had placed the Janesville plant on “standby capacity” – an auto industry term for a factory no longer producing vehicles – in May of 2009.

“Janesville was placed on standby capacity in May 2009 and will remain in that status,” GM said in a June 26, 2009 press release.

In sum, the Janesville plant shut down the majority of its production in December 2008, laying off all but 50 of its approximately 1,200 employees. Those 50 employees remained at the plant making Isuzu trucks for several more months as the plant’s operations wound down.

cnsnews.com...

Janesville was placed on standby capacity in May 2009 and will remain in that status.

media.gm.com...

www.rrstar.com...

Full-size sport utility vehicle production has ended at the local General Motors plant, but medium-duty truck production is continuing—not starting—in Janesville.

And it likely will continue into May, when the lights finally go off in the facility that has been producing vehicles since 1923.

When GM officials announced last June that SUV production would cease in Janesville, they also said that medium-duty truck production would conclude by the end of 2009, or sooner if market conditions dictate.

Orphaned by the loss of its big brother in December, the Isuzu line and its 50 or so hourly and salaried employees continue to build about 25 trucks four days a week in what has become a nearly empty plant.

gazettextra.com...

Please pay attention to the facts!