Are aliens/ETs real or simply in your mind?

Originally posted by greyer

Originally posted by Anunaki10
If i was a disinfo agent i would not present evidence of alien implants or Roswell alien debris, or all these stuffs that relate to these cases, if i really was a payed disinfo agent (also called Covert Agent) i would do all i could to attempt to discredit these cases, mix a litte truth with lots of untruths (which is part of the disinfo agents' job).

Yes you would.

Thanks, FINALLY you admit at last that i am no disinfo agent!

I can see right through you.

No you can't! You're LYING again...

Just when somebody comes in the forum with a little bit of knowledge in the subject you ridicule them and don't give anything to back up your statements.

You're lying again!

You obviously don't know what disinfo is because it starts from something true, but you're an agent and you know what it is, everything you say is only for a reaction, you just want to keep people's minds away from the truth, keep them occupied just not with the truth.

You're lying again! And guess what, I have presented EVIDENCE during this thread, while YOU HAVE CONTRIBUTED WITH NOTHING! YOU'RE STILL WASTING YOUR TIME WITH YOUR RIDICULOUS FALSE ACCUSATIONS AND "DUNGEONS AND DRAGONS GAME"-kids-game

Originally posted by SonoftheSun
I do realize that trying to encourage you to look deeper instead of swallowing anything and everything might be a waste of time.

Guess what, i knew you would say crap like that. Don't you really have something better to say than that? you disappoint me 'SonoftheSun' And let me remind you of this, If you really think my posts are saddening, you would NOT respond to my post, so guess what, YOU DON'T THINK MY POSTS ARE SADDENING AT ALL!!! As the matter of fact, YOU ENVY MY POSTS! That's why you act SO unseriously like the way you do! And you know what? YOU ARE a >>GREAT PRETENDER!Geez, 'SunoftheSun' don't even provide any link! No wonder 'SunoftheSun' can't be taken seriously...

Originally posted by The Shrike
I watched the first video which was of a South American military pilot recounting an event he was involved in. The narration only points out that this man followed orders like a zombie, got in his plane and went up to shoot an unidentified object.

The Mantell Incident

Mantell could clearly see the object above him. He described it as being "metallic" and "of tremendous size". The Mustang continued climbing, reaching ever more dangerous altitudes. The radio operator in the base heard Mantell say, "My God, I can see people in this thing!" Above 25,000 feet no more communication was heard from Mantell. Suddenly, his aircraft was seen plummeting earthwards. An eye witness described it as exploding at around 20,000 feet.

www.abovetopsecret.com... Milton Torres ordered to shoot down UFO

Former US Air Force fighter pilot Milton Torres is convinced he had an encounter with an alien spaceship in the skies over England in the 1950s.

I had not the foggiest idea what had actually occurred, nor would anyone explain anything to me. In the Squadron Operations area, one of the sergeants came to me and brought me into the hall way around the side of the pilots briefing room. He approached a civilian, who appeared from nowhere. The civilian looked like a well dressed IBM salesman, with a dark blue trench coat. I cannot remember his facial features, only to say he was in his 30’s or early forties. He immediately jumped into asking questions about the previous day’s mission. I got the impression that he operated out of the States. After my debriefing of the events, he advised me that this would be considered highly classified and should not discuss it with anybody, not even my Commander! He then threatened me with a national security breach, if I breathed a word of it to anyone. He disappeared without so much as a goodbye and that was that as far as I was concerned. I was significantly impressed by the action of the ‘cloak and dagger’ people and I have not spoken of this to anyone until recent years.

UFO files: Russian Roswell were a Soviet jet fighter reportedly shot down a UFO near Kapustin Yar.
Former USAF pilot claim to have shot down a UFO near Roswell, so at least one of the downed UFOs reportedly shot down.
Romanian military report one of their MIG-21's hit by UFO.
Then both Russian and American reports loss of some Russian and American fighter jets were lost during intercepting UFOs, were the UFOs caused the Fighter jets to malfunction.

The narration only points out that this man followed orders like a zombie, got in his plane and went up to shoot an unidentified object. Such is the nature of humans, kill first ask questions later.

Are you really sure about your "Kill first ask questions later" claim? For example the "Grave of the Devil" case shows that the Russian pilots were about to fire Warning shots, and obviously had intention to INTERROGATE and ask these aliens some QUESTIONS just in case the Russians should succeed to force that 600 meters long UFO to land, but it seems they did not succeed to force it to land, the UFO escaped from them,

The incident of Shaitan Mazar began on August 28, 1991, at shortly before 5:00 P.M. An extremely large object approximately 600 meters long, and 110 meters in diameter appeared over the Caspian Sea, showing on radar screens of the tracking station on the Mangyshlak peninsula. Radar computations showed the object moving at the speed of 6,300 miles per hour, at an altitude of 21,000 feet.

Tracking station operators immediately broadcast the "friend or foe" request.

No response was received. The streaking craft was now considered an "intruder." The cosmodrome at nearby Kapustin Yar was contacted, requesting information on any test flights from the facility. The officer in charge replied that there were no test flights of any type, and that he, also, had the object on his radar screen. Operators at Mangyshlak issued a military alert.

The alert put the military into action immediately. Two MIG 29 fighters were diverted from a routine mission, and two others were scrambled from the peninsula. The pilots were ordered to attempt to force the craft to land, and if those orders were refused, to shoot it down! Military flight commanders gave interception coordinates to the planes.

They would meet with the unknown object over the Aral Sea.

Speeding to the position, the MIGs had the object on their radar screens. When they reached visual range, they were shocked to see a gigantic, elongated, metallic gray object. The flight leader requested the "friend of foe" response, and gave orders for the unknown craft to fall in behind the lead MIG, and follow it to a landing.

There was no response from the craft. Also, the UFO seemed unconcerned with the MIGs, which now surrounded it.

The MIGs had assumed a position of 800 meters from the unknown craft. As the MIGs closed in on the craft, the pilots noticed two port holes toward the front of the object, and green symbols composed of a language unknown to any of the Russian pilots.

As the MIG jets kept pace with the object, they radioed the status of their search to area defense headquarters. An emergency meeting was called to make a decision on the course of action. Should they give the order to shoot the craft down? This could blast it out of the sky, and minimize the amount of information to be gleaned about its origin and mission.

High ranking officers decided to fire warning shots across its flight path, forcing it to follow the MIGs to a safe landing. "Close in from either side."

"Fly parallel to the target and fire warning shots in its path," was the exact order given to the MIG leader. The planes immediately responded by closing from 800 to 500 meters. They were ready to fire their weapons. As the pilots squeezed their triggers there was no response from their controls! None of the electrical system worked. The cockpit controls were dead, and then the engines began to sputter. The object began to pull away from the MIGs.

The planes were now unoperational. Their condition was radioed to headquarters, and they were ordered to nurse their planes back to base, and abandon the hunt for the intruding UFO. Radars on the ground continued to track the object, as it made a zigzag course back over the Aral Sea.

Mathematical computations assigned the craft's speed at an astonishing 42,000 miles per hour as it again assumed civilian air space.

As the object left the MIGs, the controls on the jets began to return, enabling them to make a safe landing. Flight controllers at Mangyshlak made notification to air force and civilian personnel of the object's projected flight path.

They were told that an unidentified craft was traveling through their area, posing a serious threat of collision with other craft. Approximately 45 minutes after the sudden appearance of the UFO, it simply vanished from radar screens.

but that 600 meters long UFO at least reportedly crash landed! And reportedly recovered!

Some Russian military divers were reportedly killed by aliens when they tried to catch them at Lake Baikal, but had to give up the chase. Two F-14s were reportedly kidnapped by baseball field sized huge UFO near Puerto Rico in 1988.

reply to post by Anunaki10

I am sure there are other ATS members here who are disappointed in you and who think >Geez, 'SunoftheSun' don't even provide any link! No wonder 'SunoftheSun' can't be taken seriously...

Originally posted by SonoftheSun
There is obviously no point in discussing anything with you any further.

Do you really have NO POINT in discussing ANYTHING with me any further??? How did you come to that conclusion?

Originally posted by eriktheawful
65 million years ago a six mile wide meteor slammed into the Earth helping along another ELE, and so the age of dinosaurs came to an end, and mammals got their chance to start shining.

What Killed the Dinosaurs? The Mystery Continues to Deepen...

Many scientists believe that a rock about 6 miles across plowed into Mexico 65 million years ago, killing the dinosaurs. But a minority of scientists are critical of this theory, citing the possibility of volanic eruptions, climate change, disease, etc. which might have wiped them out. A recent find of a new fossil may shed new light on this puzzle. If verified, it might help to resolve the controversy.

According to The Lacerta Files, Lacerta reportedly said it was not an asteroid that killed the Dinosaurs, but because of a war between two Extreterrestrial races

Question: Can you tell me something about the natural history and evolution of your species? How old is your species? Have you evolved from primitive reptiles as mankind has evolved from apes?

Answer: Oh, this is a very long and complex story and it sounds certainly unbelievable to you, but it’s the truth. I will try to explain it in short. Around 65 million years ago, many of our unadvanced ancestors from the dinosaur race died in a great global cataclysm. The reason for this destruction was not a natural disaster - an asteroid impact as your scientists believe falsely - but a war between two enemy alien groups that took mainly place in the orbit and high atmosphere of your planet. According to our limited knowledge about the early days this global war was the first alien war on planet earth but it was definitely not the last (and a future war is coming soon, while a "cold war" - as you call it - between alien groups is ongoing since the last 73 years on your planet.) The opponents in this 65 million year old war were two advanced alien species, whose both names are again not pronounceable for your tongues. I’m able to say them but it would hurt your ear if I tell you the names in their original way. One race was humanoid like your species (but much older) and was from this universe, from a solar system in the star constellation you call "Procyon" today in your maps. The other species - about which we know not so much - was a reptilian species, but they have nothing to do with our own species, because we have evolved from local saurians without exterior influence (except the successful manipulation of our own genes by us. More about that later.) The advanced reptilian species came not from this universe but from a - well, how should I explain it to you. Your scientists have not really understood the true nature of the universe, because your illogical mind is not able to see the easiest things and relies on wrong mathematics and numbers. This is part of the genetic programming of your kind to which I will come later. Let me say, that you are nearly as far away from the understanding of the universe as you were 500 years ago.

To use a term you will maybe understand: the other species came not from this universe but from another "bubble" in the foam of the Omniverse. You would call it maybe another dimension, but this is not the right word to describe it correctly (by the way, the term dimension is generally wrong in the way you understand it.) The fact you should remember is, that advanced species are able to "walk" between bubbles by use of - as you would call it - quantum technology and sometimes in special ways only by use of their mind (my own species had also advanced mental abilities in comparison to your species, but we are not able to do the matter-string/bubble changing without technology, but other species active on this planet are able and this looks to you like magic as it had to your ancestors.)

Back to our own history: the first species (the humanoids) had reached Earth around 150 years before the reptilians and they built some colonies on the former continents. There was a large colony on the continent you call "Antarctica" today and another one in the continent you call "Asia" today. These people lived together with animal-like saurians on the planet without problems. When the advanced reptilian species arrived in this system, the humanoid colonists from "Procyon" tried to communicate peacefully, but they were not successful and a global war started within months. You must understand that both species were interested in this young planet not for his biology and undeveloped species, but for only one reason: raw material, especially copper. To understand this reason, you must know that copper is a very important material for some advanced species (even today) because it is - together with some unstable materials - able to produce new stable elements if you induce a high electromagnetic field in the right angle with a high nuclear radiation field to produce an over-crossing of fluctuating fields. The fusion of copper with other elements in such a magnetic/radiation field-chamber can produce a force field of special nature that is very useful for various technological tasks (but the base for this is an extremely complex formula you are not able to discover because of the restrictions of your simple mind.) Both species wanted to have the copper of Planet Earth and for this reason they fought a not very long war in space and orbit. The humanoid species seemed to be successful during the first time, but in a last battle the reptilians decided to use a mighty experimental weapon - a special kind of fusion bomb which should destroy the life forms on the planet but should not harm the valuable raw materials and the copper. The bomb was fired from space and detonated at a point of your planet you call "Middle America" today. As it detonated in the ocean, it produced an unpredictable fusion with hydrogen and the effect was much stronger than the reptilians had expected. A deadly radiation, an over-production of fusion-oxygen, a fall-out of different elements and a "nuclear winter" for nearly 200 years were the result. Most of the humanoids were killed and the reptilians lost their interest on the planet after some years for (even for us) unknown reasons - maybe because of the radiation. Planet Earth was on its own again and the animals on the surface died. By the way, one result of the fusion bomb was the fall-out of different elements and materials created in the burning process and one of those materials was Iridium. Your human scientists today see the Iridium concentration in the ground as an evidence for an asteroid impact that killed the dinosaurs. That is not true, but how should you know that?

Well, most of the dinosaurs died (not all in the detonation but in the bad things which came after the war, especially in the nuclear winter and in the fall-out.) Nearly all dinosaurs and reptilians were dead within the next 20 years. Some of them —especially those in the oceans— were able to survive for the next 200 to 300 years even in this changed world, but these species also died, because the climate had changed. The nuclear winter ended after 200 years, but it was colder on earth than before. Despite the cataclysm, some species were able to survive: fish (like the sharks), birds, little creepy mammals (your ancestors), various reptiles like crocodiles... and there was a special kind of small but advanced dinosaurs which had developed together with the last large animal-reptilians like the species you call Tyrannosaurus.

This new reptile was walking on two legs and looked at little bit like your reconstruction of an Iguanodon (it originated in this family) but it was smaller (around 1.50 meters tall) with some humanoid features, a changed bone structure, a larger skull and brain, a hand with a thumb which was able to grab things, a different organism and digestion, advanced eyes in the middle of the head like your eyes and most important...with a new and better brain structure. This was our direct ancestor. There are theories that the radiation from the bomb took part in the mutations of the organism of this new breed, but this is not proven. Nevertheless, this little humanoid-like dinosaur evolved during the following 30 million years (as I have said earlier, a species need generally more time to evolve than you think, if the evolution is not artificially induced like in your case) from an animal to a more or less thinking being. These beings were intelligent enough not to die in the next millions of years, because they learned to change their behavior, they lived in caves instead in the cold nature and they learned to use stones and branches as first tools and the use of fire as help to warm them - especially to warm their blood which is very important for our kind to survive. During the next 20 million years this species was divided by nature into 27 sub-species (unfortunately, former reptilian species were prone to divide themselves in a more or less illogical way into sub-species during the evolution process. You can clearly see this in the unnecessary high number of animal-dinosaur species in earlier times) and there were many (mainly primitive) wars between this sub-species for dominance.

Well, nature was not very friendly to us and as far a we know from the 27 sub-species 24 were extinct in primitive wars and in evolution, because their organism and mind was not developed enough to survive and (as main reason) they were not able to change their blood temperature in the right way if the climate changed. 50 million years after the war and after the end of Dinosaurs, only three (now also technological) advanced reptilian species were remaining on this planet together with all the other lower animals. Through natural and artificial crossbreeding these three species were united to one reptilian species and through the invention of genetic manipulations, we were able to "eliminate" the dividing-prone genes in our genetic structure. According to our history and belief, this was the time when our final reptilian race - as you see me today - was created by use of genetic engineering. This was around 10 million years ago and our evolution nearly stopped at this point (well, actually there were some minor changes in our look toward a more humanoid and mammal-like appearance during the coming ages, but we have not divided again into sub-species). You see, we are a very old race in comparison to your kind, which was jumping around as small monkey-like animals in the trees at this time while we invented technology, colonized other planets of this system, built large cities on this planet (which disappeared without a trace in the ages) and engineered our own genes while your genes where still those of animals.

10 million years ago the small simians started to grow and they came down from the trees to the ground (again because of the change of the climate - especially on the so-called African continent.) But they evolved very slow as it is normal for a mammal and if nothing extraordinary had happened to your kind, we wouldn’t be able to sit here and talk because I would sit in my comfortable modern house and you would sit in your cave clothed with fur and trying to discover the secrets of fire - or you would maybe sit in one of our zoos. But the things had developed differently and you believe now you are the "crown of creation" and you can sit in the modern house and we must hide and live beneath the earth and in remote areas. Around 1,5 million years ago, another alien species arrived at Earth (it was surprisingly the first species since over 60 million years. This would be more surprising for you if you would know how many different species are today here.) The interest of this humanoid species - you call them "Illojim" today - was not the raw material and the copper, it were to our astonishment the unadvanced ape-humanoids. Despite of our presence on this planet, the aliens decided to "help" the apes to evolve a little bit faster, to serve them in the future as some kind of slave-race in coming wars. The fate of your species was not really important for us, but we didn’t like the presence of the "Illojim" on our planet and they didn’t liked our presence on their new "galactic zoo" planet and so your sixth and seventh creation was the reason for a war between us and them. You can read about that war for example partly in the book you call "Bible" in a very strange way of description. The real truth is a very long and difficult story. Should I continue?

Question: No, not now. I’ve made some notes about your history and now I have some questions.

Answer: Please ask.

Question: First of all, you handle with a very large time scale. You claim that your primitive ancestors lived together with the dinosaurs, survived the - as you called it - artificial cataclysm and evolved then over 40 million years and your evolution was completed 10 million years ago. This sounds very unbelievable to me. Can you say something to this?

Answer: I understand that this must sound absolutely unbelievable to you, because you are a young and genetically engineered species. Your historical horizon ends at a scale of just some thousands of years and you think this is right. But it isn’t. This is impossible. Your programmed mind is obviously not able to handle with such large time scales. Our evolution time may seem incredible long to you, but this is in fact the original way of nature. Remember, your early mammal ancestors developed together with dinosaurs and they survived the bomb like us. They evolved slowly during the next millions of years and they divided into various species and shapes, some of them larger, some of them smaller. This is evolution of the body. But what about their mind and intelligence? They were simple animals. The mammals evolved since —let us say— 150 millions of years, but only in the last 2 - 3 millions of years they were able to became intelligent and thinking. And within this small period beings like you were created. From nature? 148 millions of year’s time for the evolution of animal-like mammals, 2 millions of year’s time for the development of (more or less) intelligent beings like you? Ask yourself: Do you really think this accelerated evolution is natural? Then your species is more ignorant than I’ve thought. We have not evolved wrong but you.

Question: I understand. But I have another question. You’ve mentioned many facts about the ancient war between the aliens 65 million years ago. This happened very long before your kind became really intelligent (as far as I have understood you). Why do you know so many things about that "first war" and about the evolution of your species?

Answer: This is a good question (much better than the previous) and I have not explained it properly to you. Our knowledge about the first war comes completely from an ancient artifact, which was found around 16,000 years ago from our archeologists on the continent you call North America today. They found there a round plate with a diameter of approximately 47 of your centimeters. The plate was made of an even for us unknown magnetic material and inside the plate there was another smaller crystal plate which contained an enormous amount of information coded in the molecular structure of the crystal. This "memory plate" was manufactured from the last bomb survivors of human race from "Procyon" already 65 million years ago but it was completely intact when we found it. Our scientists were able to encode the messages and data and so we heard the first time about the events which took place in the distant past and which led to the extinction of the dinosaurs. The plate contained detailed descriptions of both species (but more about the humanoids) and about the events and weapons, including the fusion bomb. It contained also a description of the animals and saurians on earth, including our pre-intelligent ancestor species. The rest of our knowledge about our evolution comes from skeletons and from the back-reading and de/encoding of our DNA. You see, we know the real truth about our roots since 16,000 years. Before that time, there was a more religious idea of our creation.

I don't see why they can't be real.

I've never come into contact with one, nor have I had any paranormal experiences.

I have no personal emphirical evidence to say really.

I've studied and intend to continue studying astronomy, even with what I know about craters, dinosaurs extinction to me is as much speculation. Volcanoes, floods, solar flares are all could be deadly enough. Saying aliens with nuclear or scientists saying an asteroid did it is equally speculative, it remains unknown.

I admit they convinced me recently that evolution theory is nearly 100% correct seeing how life of people went from neanderthals to first agriculture and crops, to organizing in tribes, forming civilizations. So im not sure where creationism fits in since so much suggests we have evolved.

Then the Sumerians have more similarities than I thought - I didn't know Sumerians also speak of flood and similar to Noah's ark. It means there must have been a real major flooding at that time.

Whatever is on topic, I believe in Pleiadeans, I see monuments representing the stars at the Pleiades.

Speaking of experience, since we consider dreams also as a form of contact here is one I had

17.05.2011. While sleeping in my bed and the night sky can be seen from a part of the window
without a curtain, in my dream I see some strange pink-red lines in the sky like a text but they
are neither recognizable letters, nor any known symbols. They appear like many random lines.
When waking up I feel some tension or pressure in my brain.

Originally posted by SonoftheSun
We'll eventually set sail for Mars...then Jupiter...and eventually out of our solar system.

Maybe official mission to Mars, however, unofficially, reports by some "Whistleblowers" mention secret missions to underground facilities of Mars reportedly already have taken place. Did you say Jupiter ? You gotta be kidding me, right? Don't you think Jupiter's gravity would be too strong for astronauts to stand on their feet??? And don't you think Jupiter's strong wind would kill the astronauts??? And guess what, Jupiter has NO surface, so Astronauts CANNOT WALK THERE!!!

Now, a civilization hundreds of thousands of years more advanced than us. What would they visit?

Of course visit planet Earth and for example abduct Earth humans... And you know what? Some Grey specie reportedly work as slaves to serve Draconian Reptilian >>BOO!>BOO!

Originally posted by jonnywhite
reply to post by The Shrike

 

I don't believe so many people can be fooled or delusional. It goes back more than 50 years, ya know. Even professional people report this. While I can buy that the abduction reports or the contact reports might be some psychological manifestation, I cannot also agree that all sightings can be conveniently explained as conventional. And by that I mean some of these sightings are of craft which defy conventional explanation. They might be holograms or man-made covert experiments or a new form of life. Who knows.

I've combed over a lot of sh** over the years. I just cannot shrug it off as hysteria or inaccuracy. I think the majority of sightings are misidentifications or hysteria. But -some- aren't. All I can say.

I think some people's skepticism is too high and some people's is too low. I think the truth is somewhere in the middle. It might not be earth shattering, but whatever it's, it's not simply a weather balloon. It could be a weather balloon and a mysterious psychological human trait, but it's -not- just a weather balloon.

If you think it's all explainable then you're thinking conventionally. Einstein warned against that. YOu may actually be right, in a significant way, but not completely. And that's what matters.

When I have a man I trust tell me he saw something that was unexplainable, I note it down. But when a dozen people tell me this, I start to wonder what's up. And when I see thousands that say it....

edit on 17-2-2012 by jonnywhite because: (no reason given)

I appreciate your comments but since you weren't specific I find it difficult as to what to reply in your comments. So I'll recap. As I have stated over and over I don't have a problem with UFOs. What I have a problem with is are all of the claims regarding aliens and/or ETs. I do not accept the claims/reports as real, and I certainly do not accept any claims/reports of alleged alien abductions.

With UFOs it was a matter before I witnessed them and I did. I never believed in UFOs, I just wondered what people were seeing and until I supplied my own evidence their claims/reports were simply hearsay. I do not expect to experience aliens or ETs so anything I read or hear about them is strictly hearsay because there has not been any irrefutable evidence presented.

Originally posted by greyer

Originally posted by Anunaki10
It could be possible that many "abductees" don't remember they were abducted, aliens reportedly "paralyze" their victims, but at least some "abductees" obviously reportedly remember it. There is for example Jesse Long Jr. who seems to remember it was Grey aliens abducting him, Betty and Barney Hill claim it was Grey aliens from Zeta Reticuli star system who reportedly showed them their star map, years before Zeta Reticuli was detected by Majorie Fish, Kelly Cahill claim to have been abducted by aliens with dark colored skin and Red eyes, so it seems at least some of the "abductees" reportedly remember how the aliens look like.

Betty and Barny didn't remember seeing the aliens until hypnosis, Barney never did rememeber what the aliens looked like, he thought they looked like men from a distance (because he did not except that aliens existed), it is not clear if he remembered seeing the alien through his binoculars or not, but during the abduction he couldn't have remembered because he had his eyes closed to whole time. Hypnosis retrieves the memories and people have it wrong, it is basically like calming the mind down enough to remember. Sleep paralysis is a modern definition and has nothing to do with abduction, because the memory is typically not there for an abduction, however before the abduction the people can remember, so some of the first memories are of aliens in their room at night. Then it gets hazy because aliens shapeshift in front of us. Aliens are like ghosts - you wake up, you've been abducted and there is only physical evidence but no memory of an event, or you see a strange light in the sky while driving down the road at night, then you look at the clock and 2 hours went by as if it was one minute. Yes we would have liked them to land on the white house lawn but the reality of it all happened differently than we would have imagined.

As far as what they look like, some have red eyes and brown skin, but many of the aliens have white skin and some have green skin. So they do look like creatures, some reptilian looking and some insectiod, but all with a humaniod body.

The evidence in the Hills case does not support any connection to UFOs or aliens or abductions. The facts are available for those who are willing to do proper researcch.

Originally posted by johnnymax
Do you believe in Aliens , is there a relationship between aliens and demons, is the UFO, Alien phenom in a demonic deception. ?

some people share their thoughts.
forum.davidicke.com...
forum.davidicke.com...
forum.davidicke.com...

on a warning because i challenged david ickes teaching, if you take what is false, a lie, and say it is the truth,
this is being deceitful, using deception, so those under Judas ickes control, said i was calling david icke a liar,
well if you are not telling presenting the truth ,but presenting lies as truth what are you doing.
johnny

edit on 17-2-2012 by johnnymax because: added links

Demons exist only in the mental realm. Reptiles exist only in Ickes' mind.

Originally posted by Anunaki10

Originally posted by greyer
You didn't quote anything from me, but no, I only talk about the stories that after serious attention given end up being most likely true based on the human behavior surrounding them.

Oh yes i did, and i'm gonna say this to you again, you don't know about hypnosis, you don't know about abductions, you don't know what you're talking about. I think you're wasting time with disinformation, maybe not intentionally. Are you aware that you're spreading disinformation? I'm afraid you are spreading disinformation...

I don't want to stray from the thread topic and I'm not going to take sides in your bickering. But I can comment on Anunaki10 comments which have flooded this thread with the biggest pile of disinforming bs I've ever read. Talk about following the party line! Everything about the topic that is ridiculous and lacking in evidence is found in Anunaki10's comments.

Mothers, show your children what Anunaki10 has written here and make sure they don't grow up to spew the same crap!

Originally posted by SonoftheSun
reply to post by The Shrike

 

The Shrike,

May I recommend you change the title of your thread to

"Are aliens/ETs real or simply in Anunaki10's mind?"

reply to post by Anunaki10

 

Billy Meier???

Reading your numerous posts is saddening, Anunaki10. In the Aliens & UFOs field, there are truths but they are mostly buried under tons of lies, falseness and mis information.

And Billy Meier is not part of the truth I'm afraid.

This is my opinion and I would even say that it's the opinion of most of the membership.

ATS also has a nice picture of him here.

You might want to disregard anything related to Billy Meier. If you're looking for some truth in your quest, that is.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but Anunaki10's distorted opinions should teach everyone to see how far off the field a person can go when they spout the worst in UFOlogy. I do wish he would find someone else's thread to hijack.

Originally posted by Yatrsiri
reply to post by AllUrChips

 

Find answers to the question of aliens and UFOs in: messages2012.blogspot.com via automatic writing. The Spirit speaks about ET travel, Atlantis and the polar shift, Egyptians, pyramids and portals to the source, the Mayans, emotion and enlightenment, black holes, war, the Bible, Jesus and Buddha, et al, the myth of monogamy, the reason for being and much much more.

You know, your comments are a good example with what's wrong with the field of UFOlogy of which alleged aliens/ETs are part of. Your comments are a mini-encyclopaedia of total bs.

The universe is simply too big for life to occur on only one planet, we all know from darwin's theory of evolution that life adapts to it's surroundings. who is to say that on another planet, that the lifeforms there require sulfer to breath, or even cyanide to survive, just because we a planet as uninhabitable, does not mean it is uninhabitable for other life forms as we only have life from our own planet to compare from. so in conclusion, it is highly improbable that we are the only intelligent life forms in the UNIVERSE

Skullkid889

Originally posted by The Shrike
I do not expect to experience aliens or ETs so anything I read or hear about them is strictly hearsay because there has not been any irrefutable evidence presented.

Oh come on, you're LYING 'Shrike', and you KNOW it! And you also know that i did presented evidence of alien implants that was tested and concluded to be of Extraterrestrial origin by some of the best experts on this planet! And GUESS WHAT, there is NOTHING you do about that, NOTHING! All the best you can do is to use your RIDICULOUS >>Don’t bother me with the FACTS, my MIND is MADE UP!!!>I'm a great pretender ooh ooh

Originally posted by The Shrike
I do wish he would find someone else's thread to hijack.

Unfortunately for you I AM NOT FINISHED "Hijacking" your thread with serious cases and presented EVIDENCE, no matter how much you hate it!

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but Anunaki10's distorted opinions should teach everyone to see how far off the field a person can go when they spout the worst in UFOlogy.

And you expect to be taken seriously when you say crap like that??? You sure make me laugh at you...

www.abovetopsecret.com... Cold Fusion

The metal alloy samples are said to have been given to Meier by the Plejarens and then passed on to Wendelle Stevens who then had them tested by chemist Marcel Vogel. Vogel said that in his view the samples could not have been made by means of contemporary earthly metallurgy as they were apparently produced via cold fusion. Vogel also stated that the metal vanished from the IBM laboratory not long after his work was completed which prevented other scientists from performing their own analyses on it.

The war between Atlantis and Lemuria

The Atlanteans began to acquire a feeling of uniqueness about their culture and wanted to eliminate Lemuria so that they could become the mother country. The Atlanteans began forming alliances with renegade Pleidans and Alpha Centaurians which had Hierarchical systems of government . They accomplished the destruction of Lemuria by taking the Earth's moon ( Earth had 2 moons in those times ) out of orbit by using force fields until it was as close as possible to the Lemurian empire, and then the moon was destroyed resulting in a catastrophic shower of meteors. This destroyed much of Lemuria, but this also resulted in many pressures being inflicted upon the tectonic plates : resulting in the gas chambers under Lemuria to implode and thus sink most of the Lemurian continent.

From about 5:50 in this conference (Part 10) by Randy Winters, Randy show a picture of what seems to be the other Moon, and Earth in the background. That picture is allegedly taken by Billy Meier. Billy Meier was reportedly invited aboard the Pleiadians' spaceship, reportedly travelled back in ancient times, and Meier told that his Plejaren friends told him that Earth had 2 Moons in ancient times. From about 4:00 there seems to be a fake picture of "Asket" and "Nera", as Billy Meier claim was altered by intelligence agencies and slipped into his collection in ORDER to DISCREDIT his UFO case. Some of these photographs reportedly have no connection to Meier whatsoever, and were reportedly produced by his enemies and critics in an attempt to discredit him. At least, there seems to be these drawings of Semjase, her father Ptaah, and her grandfather Sfath.

Assassination attempt on Billy Meier

Meier claimed the visitors charged him with certain informational and consciousness-raising tasks As he undertook this mission, he met with a great deal of scorn and assassination attempts. Some of these were allegedly initiated by hostile extraterrestrial entities and subsequently defeated largely through the intervention of his Plejaren friends.

"Punishment" for witnesses who come forward

The strategies for dealing with those former servicemen, corporate employees or witnesses brave or ‘foolish’ enough to come forward to reveal classified information is to intimidate, silence, eliminate or discredit these individuals. This policy involves such strategies as removing all public records of former military service men or corporate employees, forcing individuals to make retractions, deliberately distorting statements of individuals, or discrediting individuals. Bob Lazar, for example, claimed to be a former physicist employed with reverse engineering extraterrestrial craft. He described the disappearance of all his university and public records indicating how military-intelligence agencies actively discredit whistleblowers.

Originally posted by The Shrike
Your comments are a mini-encyclopaedia of total bs.

Your ridiculous comments and >>Don't bother me with the facts, my mind is made up

Originally posted by The Shrike
I don't want to stray from the thread topic and I'm not going to take sides in your bickering. But I can comment on Anunaki10 comments which have flooded this thread with the biggest pile of disinforming bs I've ever read. Talk about following the party line! Everything about the topic that is ridiculous and lacking in evidence is found in Anunaki10's comments.

Mothers, show your children what Anunaki10 has written here and make sure they don't grow up to spew the same crap!

The parents and their children will only see your pathetic >>Don't bother me with the facts, my mind is made up