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Originally posted by ashpool
@MagnumOpus
You are not for real are you? Listening a document sourced to another conspiracy website? That just completely voided the legitmacey of your so called "evidence". After I spent some time researching this "Charles E. Perkins" I've found that the only indexed websites that quote this name are other conspiracy websites, and to no surprise, they only mention this letter. Nothing else. No sources, no other information about this "chemist", absolutely nothing. I'm even on the thought that this "Perkins" never existed, and this "letter" was a fraudulent document to stir up the fluoride conspiracy.
The tinfoil hat wearers in this thread have given me quite the laugh, seriously find some legitimate sources that actually provide evidence, and I mean solid. Not these hilarious conspiracy tinfoil websites.
I've lurked on ATS for quite some time, and there are a lot of very interesting articles and pictures (UFO/aliens are particularly a section that excels). But the majority of users are a joke.
Originally posted by ashpool
@NeoVain
Yet another tinfoil hat website. I can acknowledge that fluoride in high doses can cause damage, though, too much of anything is bad. A small dose of something can on the other hand, become beneficial. The site that you quote fails to hit the nail on the head with fluoride, they source scientific data stating the damages of fluoride yet many of the sources are expressing the potential issues of fluoride at high doses. A lot of the sources in said site are misleading and taken out of context. They are merely quotes extracted from research papers.
Nice try though.edit on 18-1-2012 by ashpool because: (no reason given)
Here's a reason to support a Florida county's decision to cut fluoride out of its drinking water: The idea came from the Nazis.
The Nazis put fluoride in water to pacify Jews during World War II, a local resident told members of the Pinellas County Commission on Oct. 4, 2011, before the commission voted 4-3 vote to stop fluoridating water for about 700,000 residents.
"History shows, actually, that in Nazi Germany, one of the first things that they did was add fluoride to the water in the ghettos where the Jews stayed," Matt Leffler of Clearwater said.
Originally posted by metalshredmetal
reply to post by ashpool
you, my friend, are a conspiracy snip
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use of sodium fluoride for mass behavior control in nazi germany
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Here's a reason to support a Florida county's decision to cut fluoride out of its drinking water: The idea came from the Nazis.
The Nazis put fluoride in water to pacify Jews during World War II, a local resident told members of the Pinellas County Commission on Oct. 4, 2011, before the commission voted 4-3 vote to stop fluoridating water for about 700,000 residents.
"History shows, actually, that in Nazi Germany, one of the first things that they did was add fluoride to the water in the ghettos where the Jews stayed," Matt Leffler of Clearwater said.
look up Project Paperclip, after WW2 the U.S. took in ALL of the Nazi scientists and high ranking military and injected them into our own government positions.
no wonder our country looks like Nazi germany today....we ARE nazi germany's descendants
only the bottom feeders believe what the government says about ANYTHING..
I watched a couple of the vids, I'm not sure what their sources are but I can say with 100% certainty that Fl helps prevent caries.
I guess you missed the 2nd vid then, please watch it again, as he states all his sources at the end. There is no proof that flouride in the water supply helps prevent caries, the charts are all there, the cited articles, comparisons between countries with/without flouride in their water supply, even U.S states. I am sorry that you have bought into the myth like they want you too, but eventually, if you do your research, you too will find out the truth. Please do it as soon as possible before you poison any more people.
Originally posted by DocAdama
reply to post by MagnumOpus
Ok so lets talk some science (most dentists, including myself, majored in biochemistry/biology etc). I didn't want to get into this but here it is:
When you drink Fl, it's rapidly absorbed by your intestine, then your teeth/bones absorb some, and then it is quickly excreted via urine. Your plasma Fl levels rapidly decline following intake - the plasma half life is 4-10hrs. If Fl is taken with food, especially those containing metal ions, like calcium magnesium or aluminum, Fl uptake is REDUCED by up to 60%...in other words your poop it out. Fl wants to be in mineralized tissue - like your bones/teeth.
Now lets talk poisoning someone...about 10mg/kg of Fl is lethal. It does this by a) forming HFL acid which is very strong, B) it can bind to Ca ions, making the person suffer hypocalcemia (and thus the associated muscle SNAFUs), and it can also C) affect enzymatic systems in high doses. One major issue is in high doses it can inhibit acetylcholinesterase (something that breaks down a neurotransmitter), causing hypersalivation, nausea, vomiting, and even cardiac failure (death).
How much Fl is in your drinking water? About .7-1.3 PPM. So 1 L of Fl water has about 1mg of Fl....so if you weigh 80kg, you would have to drink 800L of water to die from the Fl...within that 4-10 hour window before your body would clear it. Of course the toxic dose is far less than the lethal dose...about 5mg/kg, so you would have to drink just 400L of water in that 4-10 hour window to start feeling sick. Now toothpastes, mouthwashes, professional dental Fl has much much higher doses, however you would have to chow down on a few tubes of crest to feel any Fl associated effects.
Remember, toxicity is related to the dose of a substance and not just being exposed to it. Cl, vitamin D, NaCl, iodine, antibiotics, and even water are all harmful in the wrong amounts, but beneficial in the correct amounts.
Dentists are doctors that specialize in the head and neck, obviously our training focuses in this area. Our initial curriculum is the same as the medical school curriculum (some schools actually combined the med/dent classes in the first 2 years, same class, same test, etc). We still do full cadaver dissections, we still work in hospitals, basically, we know what's going on in the patient's body. Many systemic diseases snow their first signs in the oral cavity - dentists are often the first to diagnose various cancers, diabetes, even HIV sometimes (kaposi sarcoma). Please don't assume just because we're 'just' dentists, we don't know what's going on with the rest of the body.
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Originally posted by NeoVain
reply to post by DocAdama
I watched a couple of the vids, I'm not sure what their sources are but I can say with 100% certainty that Fl helps prevent caries.
I guess you missed the 2nd vid then, please watch it again, as he states all his sources at the end. There is no proof that flouride in the water supply helps prevent caries, the charts are all there, the cited articles, comparisons between countries with/without flouride in their water supply, even U.S states. I am sorry that you have bought into the myth like they want you too, but eventually, if you do your research, you too will find out the truth. Please do it as soon as possible before you poison any more people.