"FBI raided my house with a search warrant today, 13 year old son arrested"

reply to post by palg1


From now on I am not responding to anyone who thinks the external content I linked is me. It's seriously starting to bug me.

Originally posted by ErasmusSB654
This pointless, mad-dog government tactic (

of going after little kids for being stupid and decidedly kid-like

) is both offensive and stupid. Although I don't know for sure, I'll bet that all the members of this misfit hacker group have set up huge bot net's on unsuspecting peoples computers all over the world, either through malware or scareware trickery. Or, in other words, arresting people because their IP address was used to contribute to a DDOS attack is both stupid and counter productive. No even remotely decent hacker would do any of this stuff from his or her OWN IP address!

I doubt they're just arresting people for that. A proper DDoS attack on a company website that is able to support numerous visitors every day would take more than thousands of computers constantly pinging that website. Surely thousands of people haven't been arrested.

I am sorry to hear that your thirteen years of age son has been arrested on such a serious charge. Even though he was only thirteen at the time of committing the crime still the case needs to be dealt with. If he is considered to be under age then his case will be dealt with by a juvinile court that specialises in dealing with delinquent children. I am sure that in his case, due to his young age, all that will happen is that he will be ordered to under go a course of psycho-therapy with a suitable psychiatrist. Please go along with the authorities in this regard. It is for the good of your son that his delinquency be brought under control lest it become worse. Cyber crime is a new frontier. Terrorists are using it to get their way. Your son is just one such child that the terrorists lured into their trap. Like as it says in the scriptures "For the Devil stalks the world looking for whom he can devour". Children are an easy target. As parents we must protect our children. Children should only be using computers whilst under adult supervision. I believe that more needs to be done to protect the children in this new area of human activity.

AVE RAEGINA CAELINA LA DEUS NOSTRA CAELI LA VERA DEUS

reply to post by CAELENIUM


Assuming juvenile court is a pretty big assumption. It wouldn't surprise ime n the least if he were charged and tried as an adult terrorist. Those people who fear terrorism are just crazy when their fears are aroused: every threat is magnified and every act becomes an immediate national threat demanding suspension of legalities and common sense.

I'd pity them if their foolish fears weren't ruining us.

Being afraid of terrorism is like being afraid of dying in avalanche: barely possible at certain times in certain places, but so remote a possiblity, you'd be better off spending your worry and effort warding off lightning strikes.

When will this fearful stupidity end?

Originally posted by thenewguy1987
If this incident is real, and if the kid was in some way involved in the cyber attack on paypal, whether in the planning stages, actually doing it, or simply lending his IP address, he aided in a crime. Sorry but aiding in a crime is a crime.

I don't see how this makes you sick.

The cops traditionally do go after the smaller people to get to the ones who are higher up because the smaller ones will almost always squeal.

I'm starting to get tired of all these cyber attacks and people thinking Anonymous is some white knight. They are the rotten apple that is spoiling the bunch.

Ok, I am so confused....

On the one hand you have people screaming "You just dont get it, Anonymous isnt a group! I'm anonymous, you're anonymous, we're all anonymous!!"

Then on the other hand you have very real people, (mostly teens) getting taken down for anonymous' crimes.

So either anonymous is a group or its not. I find it funny, that these people who are so gung-ho about saying "everyone is anonymous" dont go and help out their fellow anonymous clan members.

Shouldnt everyone who claims to be anonymous go and support these people, similar to the end of Spartacus, when the Romans demand to know which one of the men is Spartacus. They all stand up and say "I'm Spartacus!"

Just sayin...

reply to post by drew1749


lol here's a star and flag and goodbye as well as p6 is enough for me.

so many pathetic slaves here enamored of their chains.

the S&F are for posting this thread thank you, drew.

it reveals how many moral and physical cowards are members of this site.
as well as people who think terrorizing a 13 yr old in order to turn him into a snitch and undercover agent is just fine as long as their little consumerist world is unaffected. my my such vicious and violent "people" they are

" yeah goody, get 'em and punish em."

until it's you and yours then you'll whine even louder
when it's your turn to get put through the wringer.


meanwhile the food supply and ecosystem are being systematically destroyed by greed
dirty bombs [DU] are being dropped left right and center.
the world is ruled by monsters but like scared little children you think if you ignore it it will go away
or take somebody else and spare you.

to those recommending making oneself a visible target by "working within the system". stop being such tools.:shk:

attacking an entrenched power head on is for the hopelessly stupid and suicidal.

play by the rules in a rigged game and you have only yourselves to blame when you get cheated.

turkeys drown during thunderstorms, they can't stop looking at the sky in shock with their mouths open,

one does not need to be a prophet to see that a lot of dead turkeys will soon be littering the landscape.


"don't fight the monsters, they'll only take it out on the rest of us" - the spineless


All knowledge is power.
Those who know more than everyone else are more powerful than everyone else.
If you turn your back on knowledge, you doom yourself to slavery at the hands of those who know.


so stay ignorant
more power to me

thanks for posting drew, i only got to p6 before nearly puking but it's been educational

reply to post by drew1749

Who is to say that the parent was not the hacker? Since the parent clearly admits to having knowledge about the group, what are the chances that he or she didn't use the kid's computer?

*shrugs*

If the authorities just so happen to come by, the parent may have been thinking, "They would never check my kid's computer".

Originally posted by DerepentLEstranger
reply to post by drew1749

 

until it's you and yours then you'll whine even louder
when it's your turn to get put through the wringer.

Nope... if it were me, I'd expect the consequences. If it were my 13 year old son, I'd be kicking his arse so badly the they'd be taking me to jail too.

Originally posted by Section31
reply to post by drew1749

 

Who is to say that the parent was not the hacker? Since the parent clearly admits to having knowledge about the group, what are the chances that he or she didn't use the kid's computer?

*shrugs*

If the authorities just so happen to come by, the parent may have been thinking, "They would never check my kid's computer".

Good point. What a coward for letting the kid go to jail if it were in fact the parent.

reply to post by thenewguy1987



Sorry to hear about your son and the feds. This is really not new. The Feds in the 90's launched operation Sundevil to crack down on the hackers. There is a priority push on by the feds now to go after "everybody" illegal music, copyright infringement, ddos attacks etc. What happened in the 90's was this, they tagged a few people and made examples of them, and everyone went underground, so to speak, and laid low. History repeats itself........Sorry, this should have been post reply, not reply to post.

Hi there I thought I would add some information on who Anon is. Seems some people think Anon is a certain person or group. But many are sadly mistaken.

You can not join Anonymous. Nobody can join Anonymous. Anonymous is not an organization, It is not a club, a party or even a movement. There is no charter, no manifest, no membership fees and Anonymous has no leaders, no gurus and no ideologists. In fact, it does not even have a fixed ideology.

All we are is people who travel a short distance together - much like commuters who meet in a bus or tram; For a brief period of time we have the same route, share a common goal, purpose or dislike. And on this journey together, we may well change the world.

Nobody can speak for Anonymous. Nobody could say: you are in or you are out. Do you still want to join Anonymous? Well, you are in if you want to.

Anyone can be Anonymous. It's simply standing up for something and taking action against it.

Now this incident with PayPal was when people who had a grudge (Anon) and they all stood together to do a Denial of service attack on PayPal. This attack was done by many people.

So in short, there is no leader and really there is no primary target. The FBI are just going for anyone who joined in on the attack. I even know a teenager who was in some Denial of service attacks, which was his first time ever.

reply to post by Blueboyinheaven

You can not join Anonymous. Nobody can join Anonymous. Anonymous is not an organization, It is not a club, a party or even a movement. There is no charter, no manifest, no membership fees and Anonymous has no leaders, no gurus and no ideologists. In fact, it does not even have a fixed ideology.

You are wrong.

No there is no charter or manifest. No membership. No leaders. No gurus. However there is an idea that everyone works towards. The creators of the anonops videos are certainly a big part of the group.

Originally posted by drew1749
reply to post by Unit541

 

this is why I too, call BS on this one. The government tends not to pick fights it can't win... just like any other bully.

Unrelated side not to your point:

If this is true then why do we have a war on drugs?

Simple. Because the intent of the war on drugs is not to win, but rather sustain indefinitely. It's not a literal "war" on drugs. Imagine more along the lines of "War on Drugs, Inc.". It's a revenue producing income stream for the federal government, not a down and dirty fight that they are in to win.

Same with the "War on Terror". Too many people making way too much money for "winning" (read: ending) to ever even be considered as a viable option.

Originally posted by drew1749
reply to post by Blueboyinheaven

 

You can not join Anonymous. Nobody can join Anonymous. Anonymous is not an organization, It is not a club, a party or even a movement. There is no charter, no manifest, no membership fees and Anonymous has no leaders, no gurus and no ideologists. In fact, it does not even have a fixed ideology.

You are wrong.

No there is no charter or manifest. No membership. No leaders. No gurus. However there is an idea that everyone works towards. The creators of the anonops videos are certainly a big part of the group.

Not really. If I wanted I could make an IRC and tell people who are interested in attacking this group. People will do it. Everyone works together to achieve a goal. These videos are nothing, I can make my own video and people will follow it and take it serious.

You're even more wrong to call it a group.

reply to post by Blueboyinheaven


I make no claim to be an expert but I still think you're wrong.

reply to post by Unit541


Fair enough. Good point.

Originally posted by joyride0187
FINALLY! Catch them all! ...then go after those who create worms, malware and virus programs...

You mean arrest the anti-virus manufacturers (for making viruses to make their product necessary), arrest your government (for ensuring that electronic bugs are mandatory in smartphones and computers (their so called "smart"-line of appliances)) for creating stuxnet and for using botnets themselves. Right? Is that what you want? These laws are for you, not them, they otherwise do whatever they want, and that is why the people are getting angry, awake, and are fighting for some real freedom.

The internet is public, put your computers and equipment up on it AT YOUR OWN RISK. There is no such thing as good security, even the department of defense uses algorithms which are ALL VULNERABLE TO A QUANTUM COMPUTER ASSISTED ATTACK, which currently costs $10,000,000 to purchase (dwave one), plus still requires a good mathematician/cryptographer to program and develop. Two people and a quantum computer can scam the world for everything it's got, have at her cuz when that happens we'll usher in a new system because nobody would ever tolerate such resultant disparity. The level of technology the system has at this stage is quite disturbing, it is time for the people to take their system back before it is too late, we are in the 11th hour.

Originally posted by Blueboyinheaven
reply to post by Blueboyinheaven

 

Not really. If I wanted I could make an IRC and tell people who are interested in attacking this group. People will do it. Everyone works together to achieve a goal. These videos are nothing, I can make my own video and people will follow it and take it serious.

You're even more wrong to call it a group.

IMO this makes the association with it more of a threat. If anyone can stand up and say "attack this IP address" and I can then use it as a means to keep those Net Defense guys occupied while I infect their system with trojans allowing me to further gain access into their database to steal information to sell... doesn't that sound like a bad network of people to associate yourself with? Probably a similar situation as to why all these people are in jail now... because they helped the person or persons that may have gathered my credit card information from Sony.

I guess he shoulda been behind 7 proxys. All joking aside, kids think it's so cool and "hacking" to download loic and ddos something, makes them feel like internet bad-a$$ and part of a group. The FBI sure is wasting its money on crap like this. Summer time kiddies, go outside and play, get off your computer, because your naievity could land you in federal prison!

Originally posted by upgrayeddc310t
I guess he shoulda been behind 7 proxys. All joking aside, kids think it's so cool and "hacking" to download loic and ddos something, makes them feel like internet bad-a$$ and part of a group. The FBI sure is wasting its money on crap like this. Summer time kiddies, go outside and play, get off your computer, because your naievity could land you in federal prison!

edit on 21-7-2011 by upgrayeddc310t because: typo

I know many kids who think just like this. They want internet fame and to be able to call them selves a hacker is the same as being a celebrity through the eyes of these kids.

In no way to I agree what these people do. But I do believe some people who do these hacking or ddos raids have a reason that they stand for and some of those reasons I agree with.

But what I want to know. What are the FBI going to do to a 13 year old kid? They can't possibly send him to jail. I believe a parent would take the fall for the kids actions, right?

Forgive my lack of knowledge - i was under impression that officers no longer require a warrant. Certainly when it comes to the FBI and actions such as "chasing alledged terrorists" with the like of the Patriot Act and similar permissions?