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Originally posted by Argyll
I thought the koran preached peace?
What right does anyone have to kill me because I don't believe in a book written thousands of years ago?
What right do muslims have to kill people that don't believe in their religious beliefs?......don't sully the waters by stating that the "jinn" got me killed, no they didn't .......a bunch of murderers got me killed!
Originally posted by grandmarkai
reply to post by Argyll
A "right" only exists in the company of those that abide by it. Those that believe in the jinn might see it as "What right does THIS person have to disparage my religion?!"
If you want to talk in absolutes then: Muslims (real muslims, not the "moderate" happy-go-lucky westernized ones) WOULD kill you. You might be pleading with them about freedom of expression, and the sanctity of human life as they dragged you to the public square with a bag over your head. You might even renounce your claims as they raised the ax to take your head.
In the end, you would have died at their hands BECAUSE OF THE JINN. You might not think that, but they most certainly did. Do you think the English and then later American settlers heeded the Native Americans' pleadings when they told the White man they were on "their" land; that it was sacred?
Originally posted by grandmarkai
reply to post by Argyll
I defer to the poster above you on your first question regarding what a "true Muslim's" intents are.
As to your problem understanding the Jinn. The Jinn's existence or non-existence is immaterial. YOUR problem is that there are billions out there that, regardless of: your belief, your ability to show scientifically, logically, spiritually that they don't exist, DO BELIEVE THEY EXIST. Any affront to their religion whatsoever, in this case your repudiation of the existence of Jinn, is seen as the highest of blasphemy punishable only by death (decapitation being their go-to favorite).
Originally posted by Argyll
Originally posted by grandmarkai
reply to post by Argyll
I defer to the poster above you on your first question regarding what a "true Muslim's" intents are.
As to your problem understanding the Jinn. The Jinn's existence or non-existence is immaterial. YOUR problem is that there are billions out there that, regardless of: your belief, your ability to show scientifically, logically, spiritually that they don't exist, DO BELIEVE THEY EXIST. Any affront to their religion whatsoever, in this case your repudiation of the existence of Jinn, is seen as the highest of blasphemy punishable only by death (decapitation being their go-to favorite).
So why is their belief any more relevant to mine?
I don't believe in jinn's .....I have no compulsion to kill people that disagree with me, so why is their religion seen as a more absolute and violent option?
As a Christian, I have no compulsion to kill people who do not share my beliefs, why do you think that is?
Originally posted by Argyll
Originally posted by grandmarkai
reply to post by Argyll
I defer to the poster above you on your first question regarding what a "true Muslim's" intents are.
As to your problem understanding the Jinn. The Jinn's existence or non-existence is immaterial. YOUR problem is that there are billions out there that, regardless of: your belief, your ability to show scientifically, logically, spiritually that they don't exist, DO BELIEVE THEY EXIST. Any affront to their religion whatsoever, in this case your repudiation of the existence of Jinn, is seen as the highest of blasphemy punishable only by death (decapitation being their go-to favorite).
So why is their belief any more relevant to mine?
I don't believe in jinn's .....I have no compulsion to kill people that disagree with me, so why is their religion seen as a more absolute and violent option?
As a Christian, I have no compulsion to kill people who do not share my beliefs, why do you think that is?
Originally posted by OptimusSubprime
reply to post by THE_PROFESSIONAL
L. Ron Hubbard claims his books to be fact as well.
Originally posted by nenothtu
Originally posted by OptimusSubprime
reply to post by THE_PROFESSIONAL
L. Ron Hubbard claims his books to be fact as well.
He's also very well documented... I don't know of anyone who shared a tent with him, but there are plenty of folks around who had sightings of him...
Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
Originally posted by nenothtu
Originally posted by OptimusSubprime
reply to post by THE_PROFESSIONAL
L. Ron Hubbard claims his books to be fact as well.
He's also very well documented... I don't know of anyone who shared a tent with him, but there are plenty of folks around who had sightings of him...
Are his facts backed by scholars like in the Koran?
Originally posted by EternalThought
www.youtube.com...
Is this real?
Originally posted by Hemisphere
reply to post by THE_PROFESSIONAL
A misogynist pedophile flies to heaven on a winged horse. Yes that's quite a story but only a hoax if someone believes it. Oops!
Now "greatest hoax ever"? There are some contenders for that title but I would think the freak on Secretariat is in the top ten.
Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
Originally posted by nenothtu
Originally posted by OptimusSubprime
reply to post by THE_PROFESSIONAL
L. Ron Hubbard claims his books to be fact as well.
He's also very well documented... I don't know of anyone who shared a tent with him, but there are plenty of folks around who had sightings of him...
Are his facts backed by scholars like in the Koran?
Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
reply to post by bhornbuckle75
Muhammaed has been documented and verified by numerous historians and scholars. He saw something that science cannot prove today. Any harebrained ideas or claims put forth by anyone on this board such as space camels must be backed by documented verifiable scholars and historian accounts. There are more accounts of demons visiting earth than of Aliens.
Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
Originally posted by Hemisphere
reply to post by THE_PROFESSIONAL
A misogynist pedophile flies to heaven on a winged horse. Yes that's quite a story but only a hoax if someone believes it. Oops!
Now "greatest hoax ever"? There are some contenders for that title but I would think the freak on Secretariat is in the top ten.
He was not a pedophile. Those things were normal back in those days. Heck I bet your great great grandfather was the biggest pedophile around because such things were normal 1500 years ago.
Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
reply to post by pplrnuts
I have provided the koran evidence which is backed by scholars and historians. What is your disproving?
Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
Originally posted by Argyll
Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
reply to post by Argyll
I provided all the scholars and their are many many more. They have not dismissed the jinn chapter in the koran and they are a bigger expert than anyone of us here.
No one has disproven the koran chapter on the jinn using verifiable credible scholarly work
How do you know they haven't?....you just posted a link to a list of names, you don't know who any of those people are or what they have written do you?
If they dissmissed it we would have known about it. These are highly prominent well regarded scholars.