Regulators Reject Proposal That Would Bring Fox-Style News to Canada

Wow, I can't believe I actually fell for this spin tactic by the pathetic left and their little charade. Either I am developing a serious brain tumor and have become quite senile, or the left really have their spin game down to a science. All this time I was sitting here thinking this new so called "Fox NEWS North" was an actual extension of Fox News Corp in the U.S. I was under the impression Fox NEWS in the U.S. would be opening a broadcast station here in Canada but run by the main company in New York. Under PROPER and TRUE open markets this would be a no brainier and the CRTC would have no say in the matter or exist at all for that matter. The choice would be left up to the viewer to watch the new Fox NEWS channel 'affiliate' station or not. However, this is Canada, and government agencies like the CRTC decide for us. Canadians are obviously to dumb to make their own decisions. Lets all urinate on free speech and open markets shall we.

Anyways, the fact is it's just a new Canadian owned and operated NEWS channel being opened by Sun Media Corporation. The fact is these pathetic SOB's with their spin tactics honestly expected to try and get this new channel stopped by the CRTC by whining and spinning about it and even trying to get some signatures to a petition. By branding it "Fox News North" they are playing on the spin the likes of the CBC and other ultra left NEWS organizations have branded Fox NEWS in the U.S. over the years. How pathetic.

I applaud the CRTC and their decision to allow SUN TV their new channel, for the first time they are actually standing up for free speech and the rights of Canadians to freely choose what they see and hear on Television. Just like I make the decision not to watch the CBC, I'm sure other Canadians can make the same decision themselves not to watch the new SUN TV News channel if they don't want to. I'm fairly certain Canadians don't need the guiding hand of their pathetic nanny state government to make this decision for them. After all, Canadian subscribers all ready have the choice to order Fox NEWS from the U.S. with their cable package.

These pathetic cry babies are making mountains out of mole hills.

Originally posted by Jocko Flocko
However, this is Canada, and government agencies like the CRTC decide for us. Canadians are obviously to dumb to make their own decisions. Lets all urinate on free speech and open markets shall we.

Anyways, the fact is it's just a new Canadian owned and operated NEWS channel being opened by Sun Media Corporation. The fact is these pathetic SOB's with their spin tactics honestly expected to try and get this new channel stopped by the CRTC by whining and spinning about it and even trying to get some signatures to a petition. By branding it "Fox News North" they are playing on the spin the likes of the CBC and other ultra left NEWS organizations have branded Fox NEWS in the U.S. over the years. How pathetic.

CRTC doesn't ultimately decide anything for us. They are controlled by the federal government. On top of that, populist movements can affect the CRTC decisions, just as they should in a democracy.

And do you even know what this is all about? It's all about laws in Canada that don't allow false and/or misleading news casting, which is what Fox is all about. Our news media already resembles the US model way too much; we don't need more of our media becoming assimilated because it will only lead to the death of the very little media that will still have left (no thanks to federal cuts on Canadian art and media programs).

And you speak of the "left". What do you consider to be the "left" in Canada? In North America? Because the only left I see are some socialist ideologues, a handful of communists, and a lot of anarchists who really don't give a crap about this type of stuff.

"And do you even know what this is all about? It's all about laws in Canada that don't allow false and/or misleading news casting, which is what Fox is all about"

But it has absolutely nothing to do with Fox NEWS. Period. It has to do with a new Canadian owned and operated NEWS channel opening in Canada, don't try and spin it anymore than it already has been. I imagine this new channel will do a fine job presenting facts from both sides of a view, rather than the skewed and biased viewpoint us Canadians often get from the likes of the CBC. Hopefully the right will finally be represented as much as the left are represented these days on mainstream Canadian NEWS stations, ESPECIALLY when it comes to reporting on financial information and how the different Canadian parties spend our tax dollars.

I'm a centrist when it comes to culture and ideals, but I'm a true fiscal conservative.

Originally posted by Jocko Flocko
"And do you even know what this is all about? It's all about laws in Canada that don't allow false and/or misleading news casting, which is what Fox is all about"

But it has absolutely nothing to do with Fox NEWS. Period.

It has to do with Fox News' style of manipulating the public opinion through misleading news and fearmongering. The concept of impartial "reporting" is most popularily represented by Fox News.

Even the title of this thread says "Fox-Style News". Obviously it has nothing to do with Fox News.

And the Canadian media is far from dominated by the left. Where is the political left in this country again? The closest thing to a significant leftist movement here is the NDP, and they are more in the centre than anything else.

In my opinion, the Canadian media tends to be conservative-oriented most of the time, while not excluding all sides to issues. They usually don't tow Harper's party line because not many common Canadians do, Harper's government likes to work away from the media, and on top of that, there's been contention between Harper and the Canadian media ever since he took control of the federal conservatives. In fact, most of his early media appearances were only conducted on advice from the PMO because they know that Canadians will become very suspicious of a leader who is afraid of the cameras. Now I hear that the guy is even playing roles in TV shows (a cop I heard, fits his square persona I guess).

Personally, I still have faith in the Canadian media. CBC, CTV and even the provincial Global stations that I've seen all seem to cover issues from all spectrums and relevant views. It seems that they would rather not report on something rather than report unconfirmed rumors like American stations tend to do (especially when they were hyping their populations up after 9/11 for war in Afghanistan/Iraq/Iran).

The major problem I have with our media is how it is conducted, like how CTVNN kinda seems like CNN at times. We don't need any Nancy Grace-style BS up here.

Personally I'd rather we don't have media services that provide false and misleading news in order to turn our population into a paranoid, hyped up and undisciplined force easy for manipulation and exploitation like south of us. Maybe it's just in BC, but most Canadians I know are smart to current events and if we start controlling a free news media, then it's just going to poison the minds of Canadians while seriously pissing off the educated ones (like students and professors and scientists).

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Our friendly neighbors to the north never seem to let me down! Way to go Canada!

And the Canadian media is far from dominated by the left. Where is the political left in this country again? The closest thing to a significant leftist movement here is the NDP, and they are more in the centre than anything else.

Where is the left? You honestly don't expect me to give you a complete rundown on Canada's current political spectrum do you? For that a simple google search would suffice. I guess I could do quite the little simple layout for you...

Conservative Party of Canada: Slightly left of right (as of late they are less conservative than the Obama administration but just enough to the right for most Canadians like myself. The latest polls shows this).

Liberal Party of Canada: Slightly left of center on most issues including fiscal. Their fiscal policies in the past coupled with massive spending has been the downfall of this party. (that and the scandals the Liberal Party was involved in)

New Democrat Party of Canada: Very far left of center, ultra socialist ideals, etc...


The NDP over the years has demonstrated that they are very far from the center on most if not all issues of the world, especially in regards to actions being taken against the scourge of Afghanistan as of late, the Taliban. They preach freedom for the downtrodden and minorities everywhere, however, when it comes to defending that freedom and fighting for it they would rather cower down and sit it out. Their little leader Jack Layton even marched in a protests against the war in Afghanistan where placards were being waived calling our Prime-minister a "war monger" of all things. He's a pathetic joke and has a snow balls chance in hell of ever getting elected PM. (Hence my label "the you got to be kidding me party")

I am FOR the war in Afghanistan. I am for any war where ideologies such as the taliban are removed and the supporters of those ideologies are destroyed. I was against the war in Iraq because I saw Iraq as posing no threat to the rest of the world, they were contained by the U.N. and their sanctions. I didn't believe it was worth risking soldiers lives to liberate Iraq.

Our friendly neighbors to the north never seem to let me down! Way to go Canada!

You might want to read the entire thread before jumping up and down in glory. Thankfully free speech has prevailed in Canada and the CRTC has allowed SUN TV the license to broadcast their new station. The heading of this thread is incorrect and obscures factual information.

Like I said before, Canadians don't need a nanny state government or organization like the CRTC telling them what they can and can't watch or listen to on television and the radio. I would hope Canadians are intelligent enough to make their own decisions.

Originally posted by Jocko Flocko
I am FOR the war in Afghanistan. I am for any war where ideologies such as the taliban are removed and the supporters of those ideologies are destroyed.

Gonna join up? Lot's of chickenhawks big on those wars, but not willing to put their own arses on the line.
Frankly. I don't believe that snakepit is worth Canadian blood...but hey, if you're that convinced, I'm sure there's a set of dog tags with your name on 'em.

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Already did my stint in the Canadian Military there Johnny, 14 years ago. I wouldn't even come close to passing the physical now.

I have many friends who are there on the ground who give me first hand information on what actually takes place there, not the bull**** spoon fed to the general public by the likes of the CBC and other pathetic NEWS organizations. The main reasons they do what they do is for the children and the people they are helping to protect against the taliban and it's stone-age ideologies.

When you are told about the the realities of the taliban killing young school girls on multiple occasions simply for going to school, and shown pictures of it, you tend to support the mission; any sane person with half a brain would. My friends who are there who have lost people close to them support the cause completely, not because they are following commands or the mission line, but because they believe in what they are doing is right and is helping a people that have been screwed over for the last hundred years.

Originally posted by Jocko Flocko
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Already did my stint in the Canadian Military there Johnny, 14 years ago.

I wouldn't even come close to passing the physical now.

I have many friends who are there on the ground who give me first hand information on what actually takes place there, not the bull**** spoon fed to the general public by the likes of the CBC and other pathetic NEWS organizations. The main reasons they do what they do is for the children and the people they are helping to protect against the taliban and it's stone-age ideologies.

When you are told about the the realities of the taliban killing young school girls on multiple occasions simply for going to school, and shown pictures of it, you tend to support the mission; any sane person with half a brain would. My friends who are there who have lost people close to them support the cause completely, not because they are following commands or the mission line, but because they believe in what they are doing is right and is helping a people that have been screwed over for the last hundred years.

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I'd take all that altruistic niceness a lot more seriously if we applied the same standards to the Saudis. Until we do, it's all pretend.

To add to that, I have actually been approached to fly contracted logistical support flights inside of Afghanistan with a number of U.S. and Canadian based companies. Apparently there's some good money to be made, as scary as it sounds. However, I don't consider myself to be anywhere near a good enough pilot yet, I still need many hours. The types of terrain and airstrips in Afghanistan are quite different to what I'm used to here in North America. Even when it comes to North American "bush flying", the airstrips in combination with the terrain elements are quite the challenge in most places in that area of the world.

But it's something I really would consider doing in the future.

Originally posted by Jocko Flocko
To add to that, I have actually been approached to fly contracted logistical support flights inside of Afghanistan with a number of U.S. and Canadian based companies. Apparently there's some good money to be made, as scary as it sounds. However, I don't consider myself to be anywhere near a good enough pilot yet, I still need many hours. The types of terrain and airstrips in Afghanistan are quite different to what I'm used to here in North America. Even when it comes to North American "bush flying", the airstrips in combination with the terrain elements are quite the challenge in most places in that area of the world.

But it's something I really would consider doing in the future.

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Well, good to hear you did your bit, and you're not afraid to put your arse on the line for what you believe in.

I'd take all that altruistic niceness a lot more seriously if we applied the same standards to the Saudis. Until we do, it's all pretend.

That's about what I expected from you Johnny. You're quite predictable. Instead of actually responding with something debatable regarding Afghanistan and it's dilemma you shake your fingers at the Saudi issue.

So, gonna join up and help free the Saudi's from tyranny if it ever takes place? There's plenty of chickenhawks wanting to get in there, I'm sure they'll take yah. I'll join you after I drop about 30lbs.

Originally posted by Jocko Flocko

I'd take all that altruistic niceness a lot more seriously if we applied the same standards to the Saudis. Until we do, it's all pretend.

That's about what I expected from you Johnny. You're quite predictable. Instead of actually responding with something debatable regarding Afghanistan and it's dilemma you shake your fingers at the Saudi issue.

So, gonna join up and help free the Saudi's from tyranny if it ever takes place? There's plenty of chickenhawks wanting to get in there, I'm sure they'll take yah.

Though we have skipped a step here, I will respond to say no...my Canada does not invade countries to steal their oil or to secure pipelines for Big Oil. And Steve seems to be ignoring the dictators and horror stories that have no economic benefit to us...hence walking away from Africa. You'll note that I am trying not to derail the thread...and this is not about Afghanistan. You and I are not going to talk each other into changing our worldviews, and I am not inclined to rant so I'd say we're about done here.

Agreed.

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Originally posted by Jocko Flocko

And the Canadian media is far from dominated by the left. Where is the political left in this country again? The closest thing to a significant leftist movement here is the NDP, and they are more in the centre than anything else.

Where is the left? You honestly don't expect me to give you a complete rundown on Canada's current political spectrum do you? For that a simple google search would suffice. I guess I could do quite the little simple layout for you...

Conservative Party of Canada: Slightly left of right (as of late they are less conservative than the Obama administration but just enough to the right for most Canadians like myself. The latest polls shows this).

Liberal Party of Canada: Slightly left of center on most issues including fiscal. Their fiscal policies in the past coupled with massive spending has been the downfall of this party. (that and the scandals the Liberal Party was involved in)

New Democrat Party of Canada: Very far left of center, ultra socialist ideals, etc...

At least you have an informed opinion.

However, the fact is that we live in a federation, and you have an Ontarian mindset. I am British Columbian, and on top of that, I also happen to be a student in the field of Canadian politics. My opinion of our political parties and their polarity is much different from your's, but this is to be expected when my province is all but ignored when it comes to Ottawa's decisions.

The simple fact is that British Columbia is a left-oriented province, and we do not share the same feelings that our federal government is anything but neo-conservative, pro-American. The Liberals are not left, traditionally more along the centre and the NDP is just barely on the left.

Left is marijuana, green, socialist, communist, and libertarian parties. Non of which are significant in this country because they all represent massive cultural and economic reforms that, quite frankly, scare the elite. The Green Party, at least in my province, does have momentum simply because most of us are more concerned about the environment and sustainable living, or even economic growth without destroying nature in the process. However, the formal leftist parties in this country do not have much backing because the leftists in this country really don't care much for any government process, aside from the intellectuals of course.

This is why there's a lot of activism here, be it marijuana rallies in Vancouver or anti-G8 riots in Toronto. The government sees them all as terrorists (RCMP even labelled the activists in Toronto as "terrorists", pretty alarming since we are apparently in Afghanistan to kill terrorists).

My point is that while there is most certainly a large, leftist force here in Canada, they are not represented proportionally by some government parties. Election turnouts should also be considered, for they are always very low for both federal and provincial elections (because a lot of Canadians don't care for the farce of "multiple party democracy" when all the parties will lead us on the same path).

I would like to see the NDP become a stronger force in this country. Unfortunately, I think it lacks good leadership that is relevant to modern generations of Canadians. Instead, it is lead by old people who only seem to want political changes that seem to represent old people. Personally, I think if the Green Party and Marijuana Party of BC merged and was lead by a strong and young leadership with a serious platform, then it would stand a good chance to lead our province. However, this will probably never happen as our political leadership remains ignorant about modern Canadian culture and the fact that we are DOOMING our environment and the future of next generations of Canadians.

Very well written Dimitri, I agree with you on a number of points, especially that being the vast differences between political ideologies among the different provinces. What would seem "left" to someone living in Toronto might appear center to someone living in BC, this is also reflected in the political makeup of the parties within these provinces. I think what really drives "conservatism" overall in Canada is the need and the want for "fiscal conservatism" within a party. The Liberal Parties track record regarding this fact I believe drove voters to elect the current prime minister. I also think it's disgusting the way in which Ottawa disregards other provinces in the manner they do. Ask anyone living in Alberta and they will have the same feelings about the Federal Government.

I have traveled to BC on a number of occasions, I love the province, it's absolutely gorgeous. I used to fly out of the small regional airport just to the north of the city of Squamish. It's a spectacular region, especially when viewed from 7000 ft. Words can't describe it. I enjoyed every day I was there and going to work was a dream come true. I will more than likely end up retiring in BC and I'm currently looking at buying property in the city of Squamish.

Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
The simple fact is that British Columbia is a left-oriented province, and we do not share the same feelings that our federal government is anything but neo-conservative, pro-American. The Liberals are not left, traditionally more along the centre and the NDP is just barely on the left.

Well...they don't call it the Left Coast fer nuthin'.
Good assessment. I don't like Steve, I'm not real fond of Iggy, and Jack has been a failed opportunist. Historically, great things happen in this country under minority governments...but...the Liberals have been so embroiled in Leadership issues and fear of an election that they squandered their opportunity. They have been lame ducks and the only reason I am a member is that it buys me an inside ability to yell at them. Two names to watch...Justin Trudeau and Mark Holland. The old guard is crap.

I agree with both of you.

Specifically about why Harper's government was elected. It is obvious that the conservatives are now in power because the alternatives were simply unorganized. "Harperland" is a good book to read; it describes the "scattershot" politics of Paul Martin and the "precision" politics of Harper. The simple facts are that Harper came into power with a rookie team with little support in the senate or other political organizations, but he organized his party big time and prepared for success on such a scale that the other political parties could not.

Harper also focused on micromanagement, for example, focusing on supporting conservative ridings to help spread conservative power on the regional scale. This will ultimately work to his benefit if there is an election called with the upcoming budget (considering it requires the support of at least one other party, and it has none now).

I have little faith in the abilities of Ignatieff. To me, he seems to be quite conservative himself and doesn't seem all that popular, and doesn't really please all that much when confronted by crowds of Canadians. Layton has always seemed to be a good guy, but as JohnnyCanuck put it, his time for opportunity has passed. It is time that Layton be replaced with someone more inline with modern, 21st century Canada.

It's sad to say, but Harper does appear to be the most effective leadership material right now.