Regulators Reject Proposal That Would Bring Fox-Style News to Canada

Originally posted by dragonridr
reply to post by Tiste

 

If Canadian health care is so great why on earth do canadians pay out of there own pocket to seek healthcare in the us. Especially cancer treatment my brother works for vanderbilt medical and guess what they get alot of patients from canada. Can you explain this???

I think I will simplify what I wrote...

The wait times are longer in Canada, so Canadians who can afford it or with critical illness insurance will get treatment in the US.

It comes down to money...but let me ask you this. If you needed non life threatening surgery and you had a choice, would you: a) pay $40,000 (uninsured) to have the surgery immediately or b) have to wait a couple of months and get it for free.

Sorry Jocko, you sound like someone from FOX. Have you ever watched Al-Jazeera? I do. It is mostly made up of ex-BBC reporters and is more un-biased than FOX, MSNBC or even CNN. It is actually excellent reporting with fair and equal views from either side. Don't let the arabic symbols cloud your thinking, this isn't some mouthpiece of the Muslim world.

Ahhh, how quaint. I wondered how long it would take until I was told I sounded like someone from FOX news, quite predictable, but hey, at least you don't hide your true colours. Yes I have watched the channel, many times actually; I've watched it for reference to make sure it isn't out of line and violating our hate speech laws. If and when it does, I will make a complaint to the CRTC along with many other people who cherrish honest reporting in the Middle East. I also reference the material broadcast on stations like Al Jazeera English with certain sites who monitor biased reporting on Canadian NEWS channels, like this one.

Honest Reporting Canada

Jewish people are not the target of AL-Jazeera and they have jewish reporters working with them...is this just blind, hate filled rhetoric on your part? I take exception to comments like this. Ignorance maybe?

Are you serious? They might not be the target by the arm of Al Jazeera English as much as they are Al Jazeera regular, the English expansion has been been forced to clean up their act as they are now a world wide broadcaster and more is expected from them, they have to in the very least act like the pathetic CBC. This is why Al Jazeera, the main Arab broadcaster, was and will NEVER be allowed in Canada by the CRTC. Al Jazeera English is a softer kinder form of Middle East biased reporting.

We'll duke it out in the election soon called, ok?

So who's your main Liberal running mate? Ignatieff? He has a snowballs chance in hell of winning anything in this country. Last time I looked the Conservatives have the numbers, they have a fantastic economic plan, and they have a great leader they can be proud of. ( I just said Liberal with a lisp to try and conform to what you think you have me labeled as little buddy Just look at the state of our economy, it's one of the best in the world right now even though we are so closely tied to a country to the south of us that s being run into the ground by a leader who is a complete and utter moron when it comes to economics.

And you are correct, my vision of this country is what it should be, true, strong and free. Not the pathetic little ultra socialist nanny state many want to try and turn it into. We have the majority, get used to it.

I think I will simplify what I wrote... The wait times are longer in Canada, so Canadians who can afford it or with critical illness insurance will get treatment in the US.

And you find this acceptable somehow? WOW. I'm sorry if I expect better from a system that is completely out of date and fundamentally flawed, but I do, and so do a lot of other Canadians. Maybe you are the kind of person who doesn't mind pumping your hard earned tax dollars into something that is broken and could be fixed.

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I read the whole article from your link...the complaint was with one particle reporter and one particular report. The site is a media watchdog of Jewish interests to monitor the media to make sure anything to do with the jewish is people is fair and unbiased. I am all for watchdog groups, but it is hypocritical to think that this particular reporter spoke for all of Al-Jazeera. Hannity has had holocaust deniers on his show, does that make FOX anti-semetic?

Here is an interesting read even though it is only wiki:

en.wikipedia.org...

Originally posted by Jocko Flocko

I think I will simplify what I wrote... The wait times are longer in Canada, so Canadians who can afford it or with critical illness insurance will get treatment in the US.

And you find this acceptable somehow? WOW. I'm sorry if I expect better from a system that is completely out of date and fundamentally flawed, but I do, and so do a lot of other Canadians. Maybe you are the kind of person who doesn't mind pumping your hard earned tax dollars into something that is broken and could be fixed.

I spend a lot of time in the states with my wife and her family. I'm not saying that the canadian system is perfect and isn't flawed, of course there are some major issues...but at the end of the day, it is better than what they have in the states. I am healthy, as are my wife and kids...we have excellent doctors and care. and we don't have to worry about the financial repurcussions of becoming sick or needing care.

I don't mind that my hard earned tax dollars goes to universal healthcare...much better than paying out of my butt for insurance only to have them deny coverage over simple exclusions. FYI, my wife can't get any decent coverage in the states because she had a skin melanoma 4 years ago, despite being in excellent health.

So Harper wants to repeal this law so FOX can come up to Canada and lie about what a great job he is doing. It's going to take a lot more than a lowlife insidious bottom of the barrel media organization like FOX to convince Canucks of such a thing.

FOX should stay in the USA, right where they belong. Since they cater to the lowest common denominator, they are currently in the ideal location for spreading their garbage and having it consumed.

This what I'm getting at Tiste, if we are going to have this type of system it should be corrected so that it functions correctly and not at the level in which it does right now. I agree our system, in some cases, is better than what is offered in the US to people who can't afford a health care plan and who can't work. However, that being said, when I worked for Raytheon Inc in the state of Maine in the U.S., I had access to a brilliant health care package for 7 years, everything was basically covered, It was a very fine tuned machine.

My question is, why here in Canada for example, does someone earning over 150,000 dollars a year get government health coverage? It's outdated. People earning over a certain amount should pay a certain amount for their health services here in Canada. The one tiered system that covers everyone no matter what their income is ridiculous. What's needed is multi-tiered system where the amount of free coverage is based on how much money a person earns in a year.

Btw, for the record, I DON'T WATCH FOX NEWS. I watch BBC World for all my world news reporting.

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Something just struck me from your post:

I will make a complaint to the CRTC along with many other people who cherrish honest reporting in the Middle East

I would say that you would be a fan of Al-Jazeera. The criticism of AJ comes from governments, including the United States, that don't want the truth of what is going on reported.
When Rumsfield criticized AJ, it was because they were showing graphic portrayal of war which the government would not allow any US media to do that. So...AJ is criticized for its fair and unbiased reporting.

Originally posted by Jocko Flocko
This what I'm getting at Tiste, if we are going to have this type of system it should be corrected so that it functions correctly and not at the level in which it does right now. I agree our system, in some cases, is better than what is offered in the US to people who can't afford a health care plan and who can't work. However, that being said, when I worked for Raytheon Inc in the state of Maine in the U.S., I had access to a brilliant health care package for 7 years, everything was basically covered, It was a very fine tuned machine.

My question is, why here in Canada for example, does someone earning over 150,000 dollars a year get government health coverage? It's outdated. People earning over a certain amount should pay a certain amount for their health services here in Canada. The one tiered system that covers everyone no matter what their income is ridiculous. What's needed is multi-tiered system where the amount of free coverage is based on how much money a person earns in a year.

Btw, for the record, I DON'T WATCH FOX NEWS. I watch BBC World for all my world news reporting.

edit on 13-3-2011 by Jocko Flocko because: (no reason given)

Well, we are on the same page when it comes to the BBC. I know our healthcare system is flawed...but if we didn't have equal care, then it goes to a worse system where the wealthy get to pay for "front of the line" status. They would also get the best doctors, dentists and other practitioners. I do quite well financially, but to me you are asking for trouble when you go to a class system.
I like the fact that canadians have better chance to get a post-secondary education no matter what side of the tracks you were born on.

I guess I worded it wrong by calling it a "tier" system, that's really not what I was trying to put over. What I meant was for example, John Smith who makes 175,000$ per year is admitted for gall bladder surgery at Toronto General Hospital. This surgery costs 16,000$ for example. John Smith, because of his income level, would receive a bill for 40% of the cost of the operation. I think that's fair.

John Smith number 2, who's income level is only 18,000 dollars a year, walks into Toronto General for the same surgery and services, yet because his income bracket is so low he pays nothing. I also think this is fair.

Of course this is just a type of ratio example and the amount billed would increase the more one earns per year, or the more ones net is worth. A rich person who's income is over 500,000 a year would obviously pay the full amount for surgery.

This type of system I believe would drive down Federal and Provincial tax levels, something all Canadians would enjoy.

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Jeez...I'd be happy to agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong.
Let's wait for the election to determine who the majority is. It won't be long.

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Hillary Clinton is that you?? what are you doing in canada? Seriously have you ever gone to al jazeera website if you cant see the bias then your too far gone. Really your serious non bias wow i cant believe how far left people can get sometimes. Where you aware that Al jazeera is funded by Sheikh Hamad bin Khalifa? His reasoning was to gain control of the media after his son Hamad bin Khalifa deposed him in a coup. He organized the media to regain control over Qatar. There has been calls for him to release Al Jazeera from his control and let them be independent guess what he still financing them go figure.

Originally posted by dragonridr
Seriously have you ever gone to al jazeera website if you cant see the bias then your too far gone. Really your serious non bias wow i cant believe how far left people can get sometimes.

Have you ever considered that what passes for the American worldview might be slightly skewed itself? That what you see as bias may well be a truth you are unfamiliar with? Or perhaps a bias at least as legitimate as you see yours?

I mean really...do you think that the world sees itself through the filters of a WASP...especially an American one? If so, you need to get out more.

Originally posted by dragonridr
reply to post by Tiste

 

Hillary Clinton is that you?? what are you doing in canada? Seriously have you ever gone to al jazeera website if you cant see the bias then your too far gone. Really your serious non bias wow i cant believe how far left people can get sometimes. Where you aware that Al jazeera is funded by Sheikh Hamad bin Khalifa? His reasoning was to gain control of the media after his son Hamad bin Khalifa deposed him in a coup. He organized the media to regain control over Qatar. There has been calls for him to release Al Jazeera from his control and let them be independent guess what he still financing them go figure.

So...Al-Jazeera is criticized by the governments of the middle east and the US for reporting the truth from all sides and you are saying this is bias? YIKES! Please explain what bias is when referring to FOX, MSNBC or CNN.

When it comes to me getting the news...its always BBC, CBC then Al-Jazeera comes in 3rd. I find AJ to be UNBIASED in its reporting and not being afraid to show exactly what is going on in the world, hence why it gets in trouble with certain countries. I still watch the major american news networks on occasion, but their reports are very one sided and filtered. You rarely get the true story.

As for being funded by the Emir of Qatar (who is probably the most progressive and anti-semetic arab leader), I would take him over Rupert Murdoch any day of the week. Lesser of two evils.

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Harper had so much potential...if he could stick to what he platformed out west before becoming PM...

Mr. Harper, you have just lost my vote.

Any PM that tries to modify, what in essence is a fabulous law, to something riddled with loopholes looses my vote immediately and unequivocally.

Originally posted by peck420

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Harper had so much potential...if he could stick to what he platformed out west before becoming PM...
Mr. Harper, you have just lost my vote.
Any PM that tries to modify, what in essence is a fabulous law, to something riddled with loopholes looses my vote immediately and unequivocally.

Not that I wish to derail this thread...but Steve is also a Fundamentalist Christian who believes that man walked with dinosaurs. How can he possibly represent me with that kind of worldview? My Canada does not include Theocracy.

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JohnnyC,

Harper's base platform when he sold himself in my area was a guarantee to leave all of that BS at the door.

He ran his platform as purely economic, no religion, and social being left to open vote.

Keep in mind that when he started running, he was trying to garner votes from Stockwell Day supporters...he was very careful about the religious aspect.

To any non Canucks, Stockwell Day was another Conservative pseudo religious nut bar.

/derailment

Originally posted by peck420
reply to post by JohnnyCanuck

 

JohnnyC,
Harper's base platform when he sold himself in my area was a guarantee to leave all of that BS at the door.
He ran his platform as purely economic, no religion, and social being left to open vote.
Keep in mind that when he started running, he was trying to garner votes from Stockwell Day supporters...he was very careful about the religious aspect.
To any non Canucks, Stockwell Day was another Conservative pseudo religious nut bar.
/derailment

To continue is to derail...but he has shown that he cannot be trusted...this CRTC business is a fine example, and lets face it, Steve would not support FOX news for it's fairness and balance, he would support it as an instrument to disrupt his opposition using the aforementioned 'false and misleading news'.

Some things that is kind of bothering me about this whole thing...

Why is there only one article? Every other site I have been to, references back to the one article. (Robert F Kennedy)

Why is there no official record from the CRTC about this? I just went through their Decisions, Notices, and Orders and I can't find anything...did I miss it?

Makes me wonder if there is far more (or less) to this story.

"Why is there only one article?"

Which article are you looking for? I think I saw the CRTC release over the approval of the so called "Fox NEWS North" which really has nothing to do at all with Fox NEWS Corporation. It's online on there site. It's actually regarding a new up and coming NEWS channel run by Sun TV News . I imagine the whole calling it "Fox NEWS North" was a nice little spin by lefty leaning news agencies who labeled it as such with the intent to make it appear as if it has some affiliation with Fox NEWS in the U.S.

A usual and typical spin tactic.