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Originally posted by prepared4truth
New Agers speak Truth, but many of them have no real understanding of the Truth. It just "vibes" with them. When they start threads telling people Truth about who IAM, they are doing a exactly what a Christian "Anti-Christ" would do. They are telling people the Truth of the Christian religion, without realizing it many times, which goes against the purpose of the Christian religion (which is to conceal the Truth through symbolic stories).
I would like to know if anybody agrees or disagrees with this statement and provide reasons why. How would this make you feel if you were accused by a Christian of being the Anti-Christ?
Alright, to help readers look at this more objectively, I am not talking about Esoteric belief in Christianity. I mean Exoteric, mainstream belief.
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Originally posted by NiNjABackflip
reply to post by prepared4truth
To me esoteric vs. exoteric is a false dichotomy. Is there no grey area or other avenues to explore?
The fact that we have so many religions, belief systems and philosophies shows that we are incapable of thinking outside our own realities and processes. We anthropomorphize things we cannot possibly comprehend in hopes of putting a label on something we'll never know.
NiNjAedit on 25-1-2011 by NiNjABackflip because: I'm tired and I used bad grammar.
Originally posted by Boreas
reply to post by prepared4truth
I agree with all of that, but I think in order to qualify as a false prophet of Christianity one would have to be professing themselves to be Christian in the first place. In my opinion, those that flash the cross and spit out sermons designed to influence politically/economically, rather than to save, would more closely fit the bill.
Isaiah 14:12 – 12 How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations! Job 11:17 – 17 Life will be brighter than noonday, and darkness will become like morning. 2 Peter 1:19 - 19And we have the word of the prophets made more certain, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts. Note that the term ‘morning star’ is used throughout the New Testament and is in reference to Jesus the Christ. Keep this in mind. The Hebrew translation had the word helel in the place of Lucifer, or rather St. Jerome replaced the word helel with Lucifer. What does helel mean? It means ‘shining one’. ‘How art fallen from Heaven, O Shining One son of the dawn.’ ‘…until the day dawns and the Shining One rises in your hearts.’ And what then of the Greek translation? Helel in Greek translates into Eosphorus/Phosphorus. And in this translation the word means ‘light bearer’ ‘How art fallen from Heaven, O Light Bearer, son of the dawn.’ ‘…until the day dawns and the Light Bearer rises in your hearts.’ Lucifer Jesus the Morning Star the Lucifer Now we have also noticed that only one commonly accepted translation of the Bible keeps the word Lucifer and that is the King James Version. Even then it appears only once, and is given to a fallen being. But in reality, Jesus Christ is the true Lucifer. Remember, Morning Star, Shining One, Light Bearer. All of these terms were used by Jesus himself and his disciples. Revelation 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. 2 Peter 1:19 19And we have the word of the prophets made more certain, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts. Ha! Then how do we explain the word Lucifer being used in Isaiah? Who is Satan? He is a being trying usurp God. Who is the Lucifer in Isaiah? If Jesus Christ is the true Lucifer, then the fallen Lucifer must be a counterfeit. If Jesus is the Christ/the Messiah, then the fallen Lucifer must be the anti-Christ/the false Messiah. Final note: Even in numerology and Gematria the value of the names Lucifer and Jesus are the exact same. 74 and 74 (1) 222 and 222 (3) 444 and 444 (6) And the value of Morning Star is the value of Lucifer and Jesus combined. 148 444 888 hubpages.com...
How would this make you feel if you were accused by a Christian of being the Anti-Christ?
Originally posted by IAMIAMThere seems to be some holes in the discussion. No one has stepped forward yet to quantify exactly what constitutes a "New Ager" nor has anyone clearly identified the prerequisites of a "False Prophet" or even what a "Prophet" is. With out these definitions clearly defined, how can any sensible debate or discussion be had on the matter? What you get is everyone defining these things for themselves internally, and expressing their thoughts on the subject externally to others. Without knowing how the person has defined these things internally the next person offers disagreement because his or her own definition internally does not match. Sadly, they do not know they are disputing to very different ideas.
Originally posted by Student X
I disagree. I think we in this thread all have a pretty good idea, intuitively, what a Christian fundamentalist means when he or she says 'New Ager' or 'False Prophet'. We are all in the same ballpark. We could go round and around in circles for a thread and a half and not get anywhere if we focus on the the fine-tooth details of the definitions, when intuitive understanding seems to be working ok so far.
Originally posted by IAMIAMFrom a spectators perspective, it appeared that the discussion WAS going round and round in circles without clarifying the details.
Now we even have a new label tossed in, that of "Fundamentalist". Interesting.
No worries my friend. If you do not see an issue with the lack of clarity, disregard. I was merely offering a point of view.
Originally posted by Student X
And yet, you have found it "quite enjoyable to watch the differing ideas expressed throughout the pages so far."
Christianity is a false religion so I am happy to be called an anti-christ
Hindus/Buddhists/Spiritualists believe that everyone is divine
Christians believe only Jesus is divine = Blasphemy
Spiritualists believe that karma is instantaneous, and therefore judgment is instantaneous
Christians believe we are judged by God after death = Blasphemy
Spiritualists believe in logical cause and effect, such as one can only become pregnant through intercourse
Christians believe in immaculate conception a.k.a. Mary was a virgin = Blasphemy!
Spiritualists believe that the Truth is absolute reality
Christians believe it is a "God" with likes and dislikes, actions, and temperaments =Blasphemy!
Spiritualists believe that the Good holds absolute existence, and absolute evil is a non-existent
Christians believe in literal evil and a literal Satan = blasphemy!
Spiritualists believe all people and things are spiritually equal to each other
Christians believe all men fall short of the glory of God = blasphemy!
Spiritualists believe in reason and logic
Christians believe in faith = blasphemy!
Spiritualists believe in self-will
Christians believe in prayer = blasphemy!
Originally posted by autowrench
reply to post by prepared4truth
How would this make you feel if you were accused by a Christian of being the Anti-Christ?
I've been called that hundreds of times in my life, beginning with my Mother, who often said I was an Antichrist or a Demon. why? Because I see the dead, and sometimes talk to them, and she was convinced that I was an alien from another word, a world she claimed was the home of the Devil. I got used to it over the years. Not too long ago I happened one morning to see a glimpse of my mom, she was screaming in pain and suffering with flames all around her. guess that is where Christians go, to the place they are always waring us about.
Originally posted by Archangelelijah
The true prophets will know exactly what system we operate under but not be a member of any sect which the information was given by passed generations.
We all operate under the triangular or pyramid operation where the top supports the bottom in direction and the bottom support the top in labour. All human systems operate under this from captains of sporting teams to Kings, Queens, Presidents, Primeministers, Generals of Armys ect which lead the bottom of the triangle which is the general public.
This formation is exactly how money has be formed world wide by the law of Land and Law of the Sea. Law of the Land is each individual countrys law while Law of the Sea is International waters which no seperate country owns. Law of the sea is how nations became able to trade with eachother for the goods they produce. Banks received their name from the Banks of the Sea or rivers where individual private familys that owned the land of the banks of their country began trade for the people of their country. This started the money sector for the produce which we created.
Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
Originally posted by Archangelelijah
The true prophets will know exactly what system we operate under but not be a member of any sect which the information was given by passed generations.
We all operate under the triangular or pyramid operation where the top supports the bottom in direction and the bottom support the top in labour. All human systems operate under this from captains of sporting teams to Kings, Queens, Presidents, Primeministers, Generals of Armys ect which lead the bottom of the triangle which is the general public.
This formation is exactly how money has be formed world wide by the law of Land and Law of the Sea. Law of the Land is each individual countrys law while Law of the Sea is International waters which no seperate country owns. Law of the sea is how nations became able to trade with eachother for the goods they produce. Banks received their name from the Banks of the Sea or rivers where individual private familys that owned the land of the banks of their country began trade for the people of their country. This started the money sector for the produce which we created.
The pyramid model for societies is one of perpetual enslavement. The top few supported by the masses below. A true evolved society is not one that is based upon the pyramidal model, but one that is a spiral.
In a an equal society, everyone has an obligation to work together for progress and common aspirations in life. Everyone starts out the same, and as we surge forward, we must pull others who are slower with a helping hand so that none gets left behind.
Each day, everyone learns something new - socially, scientifically, politically and economically guided by spirituality. We flawed mortals will make mistakes, but we do have the capacity to correct and alter our course. With each knowledge, it is one rung, one step, one foundation stone up the spiral.
For those societies that progresses courageously, would have ventured, range far and further, but once on uncharted waters, they will have to return to their roots to ensure it is the right path they are on, thus a returning path, but not a flat circle, as there are already strong foundations in place to rise with each returning path, and acending further up the spiral.
The only time the return is a circle is when the foundations are not there, or errors were made on those stones. But as said, we humans have the capacity to correct errors, and will soon rise upon the circle to a spiral.
Never believe that the pyramid model is one that is destined for mankind. It never was, and only the selfish, greedy lustful ones amongst us will go for the pyramid model.
Our destiny lays with the spiral model,. ever reaching upwards to the Universe. The sacred US Constitution which revolutionised the world and freed mankind, till a corrupt greedy few tore it to shreds, had been such spiral model. An Utopian dream, but all great undertakings began as dreams.....edit on 26-1-2011 by SeekerofTruth101 because: (no reason given)