Is Medvedev genetically related to Tsar Nicholas II?

I found this image on a Polish site that is in German and I find the resemblance really astonishing. The publishers of the article are still doing research, but they had found enough evidence that Medvedev is genetically related to tsar Nicholas II which was murdered supposedly together with all his family on July 17. 1919 . However there were rumors that not all of them were shot. There were rumors that Anastas ia and her younger brother Alexei survived.

An interesting fact is that the Tsar and his family is related to the British and Dutch Royal family. What is even more interesting is that one of the guards who was later witness of the corpses went by the name of Pavel Medvedev. (Wiki has 2 Medvedev's listed as executioners en.wikipedia.org... )
In the mass-grave of the murdered royals that was found in 1979 2 children, one of them Alexei were missing.
This finding was concealed until 1991 and that same year they suddenly found the bodies of the missing children.

The article also mentions the following things:
The Bolshevists declared on July 18th that the tsar's wife and her son Alexei were safe.
On August 29the the Bolshevists offered Germany to exchange the royal family for political prisoners whom were supposedly executed in Germany. They also claim to have information that Alexei stayed in France during world war 2.
polskaweb.eu...

So is Medvedev's real name Romanov?
And if so, doesn't it confirm that there is only one bloodline ruling our planet?

There are more pictures in this old thread:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

This image is class.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/dc1a966dbc0d.jpg[/atsimg]

Certainly does have something, and may be genetically similar, but of course people can share traits outside of families.

reply to post by Hellmutt


Thanks for the link to that thread. I did a search and it did appear, but it seamed unrelated because of the description. It has great pictures and I find them really amazing.
I hope that someone has more information on this interesting conspiracy.

This is pure speculation, perhaps a closer look at the second in command, that is the man you should research on and then perhaps your ats account could simply blow out of proportion.

Food for thought.

reply to post by tristar


Even though people can have traits outside of families, you have to admit they look similar.

This may help put your inquiry into perspective.

Henri, Grand Duke of Luxembourg

1. Robert or Radon, Mayor of the Palace of Austrasia in 613
2. Robert, Referendary in 629 and Duke in 631
3. Erlebert, Noble of Therouanne
4. Robert, Mayor of the Palace of Neustria in 653, Referendary in 658 and Count in Alsace in 673
5. Robert I of Worms and Rheingau, d. 764
6. Thuringbert of Worms and Rheingau
7. Robert II of Worms and Rheingau (Robert of Hesbaye), 770 - 807
8. Robert III of Worms and Rheingau, 808 - 834
9. Robert IV the Strong, 820 - 866
10. Robert I of France, 866 - 923
11. Hugh the Great, 895 - 956
12. Hugh Capet, 941 - 996
13. Robert II of France, 972 - 1031
14. Henry I of France, 1008–1060
15. Philip I of France, 1053–1108
16. Louis VI of France, 1081–1137
17. Louis VII of France, 1120–1180
18. Philip II of France, 1165–1223
19. Louis VIII of France, 1187–1226
20. Louis IX of France, 1215–1270
21. Robert, Count of Clermont, 1256–1317
22. Louis I, Duke of Bourbon, 1279–1342
23. James I, Count of La Marche, 1319–1362
24. John I, Count of La Marche, 1344–1393
25. Louis, Count of Vendôme, 1376–1446
26. Jean VIII, Count of Vendôme, 1428–1478
27. François, Count of Vendôme, 1470–1495
28. Charles de Bourbon, Duke of Vendôme, 1489–1537
29. Antoine of Navarre, 1518–1562
30. Henry IV of France, 1553–1610
31. Louis XIII of France, 1601–1643
32. Louis XIV of France, 1638–1715
33. Louis, Dauphin of France (1661-1711), 1661–1711
34. Philip V of Spain, 1683–1746
35. Philip, Duke of Parma, 1720–1765
36. Ferdinand, Duke of Parma, 1751–1802
37. Louis of Etruria, 1773–1803
38. Charles II, Duke of Parma, 1799–1883
39. Charles III, Duke of Parma, 1823–1854
40. Robert I, Duke of Parma, 1848–1907
41. Felix of Bourbon-Parma, 1893–1970
42. Jean, Grand Duke of Luxembourg, 1921 -
43. Henri, Grand Duke of Luxembourg, 1955 -


Otto Von Habsburg, Head of the House of Lorraine-Habsburg

1. Aymes (490)
2. Wago, Count of Montreuil 512-XXX
3. Leuthaire, Duke of Allemania (d533/4)
4. Erchenaud (Erkembald)
5. Leuthaire [II] (Laetharus)
6. Erchinold, Major Domo of France (d657/661)
7. Leuthaire [III], aka Leudisius of Peronne, Major Domo of France (d673)
8. Adalric or Etichon, c. 630 - bef. 690, Duke of Alsace from 670; brother of Gandalen, Abbot of Béze who died aft. 677
9. Adalric or Haicon, c. 670 - aft. 726, Count of Norgau
10. Albéric, c. 710 - c. 760, Count of Norgau c. 730 - 735
11. Eberard I, c. 745 - c. 795, Count of Norgau 765 - 777
12. Eberard II, c. 790 - c. 864, Count of Norgau in 864
13. Eberard III, 830 - c. 900, Count of Norgau in 885
14. Hugues I, bef. 875 - c. 940, Count of Norgau
15. Eberard IV, 905 - 18 December 967, Count of Norgau until 951
16. Adalbert, c. 955 - aft. 1033, Count of Metz in c. 890, Founder of the Monastery of Bougainville
17. Gerard de Bouzonville, Count of Metz, c. 985 - 1045
18. Gerard, Duke of Lorraine, c. 1028 - 1070; his older brother Adalbert, c. 1016 - 1048, Count of Longwy, Duke of Haute Lorraine from 1047 to 1048, was the patrilineal ancestor of the Counts of Burgundy and the Kings of Castile from the 12th century to the 15th century
19. Theodoric II, Duke of Lorraine, c. 1055 - 1115
20. Simon I, Duke of Lorraine, c. 1080 - 1138; his younger brother Thierry of Alsace, d. c. 1168, Count of Flanders, was the patrilineal ancestor of the House of Flanders
21. Matthias I, Duke of Lorraine, c. 1110 - 1176
22. Frederick I, Duke of Lorraine, c. 1140 - 1207
23. Frederick II, Duke of Lorraine, c. 1165 - 1213
24. Matthias II, Duke of Lorraine, c. 1192 - 1251
25. Frederick III, Duke of Lorraine, c. 1230 - 1303
26. Theobald II, Duke of Lorraine, c. 1260 - 1312
27. Frederick IV, Duke of Lorraine, 1282–1328
28. Rudolph, Duke of Lorraine, c. 1310 - 1346
29. John I, Duke of Lorraine, 1346–1390
30. Frederick of Lorraine, 1371–1415
31. Antoine of Vaudémont, c. 1395 - 1431
32. Frederick II of Vaudémont, 1417–1470
33. René II, Duke of Lorraine, 1451–1508
34. Antoine, Duke of Lorraine, 1489–1544
35. Francis I, Duke of Lorraine, 1517–1545
36. Charles III, Duke of Lorraine, 1543–1608
37. Francis II, Duke of Lorraine, 1572–1632
38. Nicholas II, Duke of Lorraine, Cardinal, 1609–1679
39. Charles V, Duke of Lorraine, 1643–1690
40. Leopold, Duke of Lorraine, 1679–1729
41. Francis I, Holy Roman Emperor, 1708–1765
42. Leopold II, Holy Roman Emperor, 1747–1792
43. Francis II, Holy Roman Emperor, 1768–1835
44. Archduke Franz Karl of Austria, 1802–1878
45. Archduke Charles Louis of Austria, 1833–1896
46. Archduke Otto Francis of Austria, 1865–1906
47. Blessed Charles I of Austria, 1887–1922
48. Otto von Habsburg, 1912 -

Dom Duarte Pio, Duke of Braganza father/son lineage


1. Merovech, King of the Franks
2. Childeric I King of the Franks
3. Clovis King of the Franks
4. Chlothar I King of the Franks
5. Chilperic I King of the Franks
6. Chlothar II, King of the Franks
7. Charibert de Haspengau
8. Chrodobertus I de Haspengau
9. Lambert I de Haspengau
10. Chrodobertus II, Count of Haspengau
11. Lambert II, Count of Haspengau
12. Robert I, Duke of Neustria
13. Thuringbert of Worms
14. Robert II, Rodbert
15. Rutpert (Robert) III
16. Robert IV the Strong
17. Robert I of France
18. Hugh the Great
19. Hugh Capet King of France
20 Robert II of France
21. Robert I Capet
22. Henry of Burgundy, Count of Portugal
23. Afonso I of Portugal
24. Sancho I of Portugal
25. Afonso II of Portugal
26. Afonso III of Portugal
27. Dinis of Portugal
28. Afonso IV of Portugal
29. Peter I of Portugal
30. John I of Portugal
31. Afonso I, Duke of Braganza
32. Ferdinand 2nd Duke of Braganza
33. Ferdinand II 3rd Duke of Braganza
34. James 4th Duke of Braganza
35. Teodósio I of Braganza
36. John I, 6th Duke of Braganza
37. Teodósio II of Braganza
38. John IV of Portugal
39. Peter II of Portugal
40. John V of Portugal
41. Peter III of Portugal
42. John VI of Portugal
43. Miguel I of Portugal
44. Miguel II of Braganza
45. Duarte Nuno, Duke of Braganza
46. Dom Duarte Pio, Duke of Braganza

So, clearly there are families who are 'elite' in every sense of the term. I woudlnt say it has anything to do with blood; but rather agenda and 'chosenness'. Which is why they can be so crass to kill some members of a noble house but select one to perpetuate the agenda.

There are thousands of branches, which means there are thousands of families who are alltogether tied into a greater scheme. Wouldnt doubt for a second that medvedev is an aristocrat. David Cameron for instance is a great great great grandson of King William IV of Britain. It appears most heads of state are genetically apart of this greater society.

Originally posted by dontreally
This may help put your inquiry into perspective.

Henri, Grand Duke of Luxembourg

1. Robert or Radon, Mayor of the Palace of Austrasia in 613
2. Robert, Referendary in 629 and Duke in 631
3. Erlebert, Noble of Therouanne
4. Robert, Mayor of the Palace of Neustria in 653, Referendary in 658 and Count in Alsace in 673
5. Robert I of Worms and Rheingau, d. 764
6. Thuringbert of Worms and Rheingau
7. Robert II of Worms and Rheingau (Robert of Hesbaye), 770 - 807
8. Robert III of Worms and Rheingau, 808 - 834
9. Robert IV the Strong, 820 - 866
10. Robert I of France, 866 - 923
11. Hugh the Great, 895 - 956
12. Hugh Capet, 941 - 996
13. Robert II of France, 972 - 1031
14. Henry I of France, 1008–1060
15. Philip I of France, 1053–1108
16. Louis VI of France, 1081–1137
17. Louis VII of France, 1120–1180
18. Philip II of France, 1165–1223
19. Louis VIII of France, 1187–1226
20. Louis IX of France, 1215–1270
21. Robert, Count of Clermont, 1256–1317
22. Louis I, Duke of Bourbon, 1279–1342
23. James I, Count of La Marche, 1319–1362
24. John I, Count of La Marche, 1344–1393
25. Louis, Count of Vendôme, 1376–1446
26. Jean VIII, Count of Vendôme, 1428–1478
27. François, Count of Vendôme, 1470–1495
28. Charles de Bourbon, Duke of Vendôme, 1489–1537
29. Antoine of Navarre, 1518–1562
30. Henry IV of France, 1553–1610
31. Louis XIII of France, 1601–1643
32. Louis XIV of France, 1638–1715
33. Louis, Dauphin of France (1661-1711), 1661–1711
34. Philip V of Spain, 1683–1746
35. Philip, Duke of Parma, 1720–1765
36. Ferdinand, Duke of Parma, 1751–1802
37. Louis of Etruria, 1773–1803
38. Charles II, Duke of Parma, 1799–1883
39. Charles III, Duke of Parma, 1823–1854
40. Robert I, Duke of Parma, 1848–1907
41. Felix of Bourbon-Parma, 1893–1970
42. Jean, Grand Duke of Luxembourg, 1921 -
43. Henri, Grand Duke of Luxembourg, 1955 -


Otto Von Habsburg, Head of the House of Lorraine-Habsburg

1. Aymes (490)
2. Wago, Count of Montreuil 512-XXX
3. Leuthaire, Duke of Allemania (d533/4)
4. Erchenaud (Erkembald)
5. Leuthaire [II] (Laetharus)
6. Erchinold, Major Domo of France (d657/661)
7. Leuthaire [III], aka Leudisius of Peronne, Major Domo of France (d673)
8. Adalric or Etichon, c. 630 - bef. 690, Duke of Alsace from 670; brother of Gandalen, Abbot of Béze who died aft. 677
9. Adalric or Haicon, c. 670 - aft. 726, Count of Norgau
10. Albéric, c. 710 - c. 760, Count of Norgau c. 730 - 735
11. Eberard I, c. 745 - c. 795, Count of Norgau 765 - 777
12. Eberard II, c. 790 - c. 864, Count of Norgau in 864
13. Eberard III, 830 - c. 900, Count of Norgau in 885
14. Hugues I, bef. 875 - c. 940, Count of Norgau
15. Eberard IV, 905 - 18 December 967, Count of Norgau until 951
16. Adalbert, c. 955 - aft. 1033, Count of Metz in c. 890, Founder of the Monastery of Bougainville
17. Gerard de Bouzonville, Count of Metz, c. 985 - 1045
18. Gerard, Duke of Lorraine, c. 1028 - 1070; his older brother Adalbert, c. 1016 - 1048, Count of Longwy, Duke of Haute Lorraine from 1047 to 1048, was the patrilineal ancestor of the Counts of Burgundy and the Kings of Castile from the 12th century to the 15th century
19. Theodoric II, Duke of Lorraine, c. 1055 - 1115
20. Simon I, Duke of Lorraine, c. 1080 - 1138; his younger brother Thierry of Alsace, d. c. 1168, Count of Flanders, was the patrilineal ancestor of the House of Flanders
21. Matthias I, Duke of Lorraine, c. 1110 - 1176
22. Frederick I, Duke of Lorraine, c. 1140 - 1207
23. Frederick II, Duke of Lorraine, c. 1165 - 1213
24. Matthias II, Duke of Lorraine, c. 1192 - 1251
25. Frederick III, Duke of Lorraine, c. 1230 - 1303
26. Theobald II, Duke of Lorraine, c. 1260 - 1312
27. Frederick IV, Duke of Lorraine, 1282–1328
28. Rudolph, Duke of Lorraine, c. 1310 - 1346
29. John I, Duke of Lorraine, 1346–1390
30. Frederick of Lorraine, 1371–1415
31. Antoine of Vaudémont, c. 1395 - 1431
32. Frederick II of Vaudémont, 1417–1470
33. René II, Duke of Lorraine, 1451–1508
34. Antoine, Duke of Lorraine, 1489–1544
35. Francis I, Duke of Lorraine, 1517–1545
36. Charles III, Duke of Lorraine, 1543–1608
37. Francis II, Duke of Lorraine, 1572–1632
38. Nicholas II, Duke of Lorraine, Cardinal, 1609–1679
39. Charles V, Duke of Lorraine, 1643–1690
40. Leopold, Duke of Lorraine, 1679–1729
41. Francis I, Holy Roman Emperor, 1708–1765
42. Leopold II, Holy Roman Emperor, 1747–1792
43. Francis II, Holy Roman Emperor, 1768–1835
44. Archduke Franz Karl of Austria, 1802–1878
45. Archduke Charles Louis of Austria, 1833–1896
46. Archduke Otto Francis of Austria, 1865–1906
47. Blessed Charles I of Austria, 1887–1922
48. Otto von Habsburg, 1912 -

Dom Duarte Pio, Duke of Braganza father/son lineage


1. Merovech, King of the Franks
2. Childeric I King of the Franks
3. Clovis King of the Franks
4. Chlothar I King of the Franks
5. Chilperic I King of the Franks
6. Chlothar II, King of the Franks
7. Charibert de Haspengau
8. Chrodobertus I de Haspengau
9. Lambert I de Haspengau
10. Chrodobertus II, Count of Haspengau
11. Lambert II, Count of Haspengau
12. Robert I, Duke of Neustria
13. Thuringbert of Worms
14. Robert II, Rodbert
15. Rutpert (Robert) III
16. Robert IV the Strong
17. Robert I of France
18. Hugh the Great
19. Hugh Capet King of France
20 Robert II of France
21. Robert I Capet
22. Henry of Burgundy, Count of Portugal
23. Afonso I of Portugal
24. Sancho I of Portugal
25. Afonso II of Portugal
26. Afonso III of Portugal
27. Dinis of Portugal
28. Afonso IV of Portugal
29. Peter I of Portugal
30. John I of Portugal
31. Afonso I, Duke of Braganza
32. Ferdinand 2nd Duke of Braganza
33. Ferdinand II 3rd Duke of Braganza
34. James 4th Duke of Braganza
35. Teodósio I of Braganza
36. John I, 6th Duke of Braganza
37. Teodósio II of Braganza
38. John IV of Portugal
39. Peter II of Portugal
40. John V of Portugal
41. Peter III of Portugal
42. John VI of Portugal
43. Miguel I of Portugal
44. Miguel II of Braganza
45. Duarte Nuno, Duke of Braganza
46. Dom Duarte Pio, Duke of Braganza

So, clearly there are families who are 'elite' in every sense of the term. I woudlnt say it has anything to do with blood; but rather agenda and 'chosenness'. Which is why they can be so crass to kill some members of a noble house but select one to perpetuate the agenda.

There are thousands of branches, which means there are thousands of families who are alltogether tied into a greater scheme. Wouldnt doubt for a second that medvedev is an aristocrat. David Cameron for instance is a great great great grandson of King William IV of Britain. It appears most heads of state are genetically apart of this greater society.

edit on 21-1-2011 by dontreally because: (no reason given)

Ill be as straight as one can be without further and obvious points. .

If you can provide me with correlation links to what you have decided to post and you might simply be requested for an interview.

reply to post by dontreally


You better take a look at this!

The 40-ish year old version of Medvedev does not resemble the 25 year old version of the Tsar, but he does eerily resemble the 40-ish year old version of Tsar Nikolas.

This will probably be a long post that I'm not compelling you to read. I've wasted too much time and energy thinking about and expecting the implosion of Russia. What I write here may reveal divine and prophetic truths of what is and what shall come with Medvedev(NikolasII) as one of the center pieces, it may equally cause a reader that believes it to delusionally expect for one year, two years, three years, or more...things that will never happen to the detriment of fully wasting time and life.


The topic of this thread includes some of the bits of evidence that make me think the Fatima Prophecies could be true.

In the same way we have Christians expecting the endtimes prophecies to include a "revival of the Roman Empire," a second coming of Elijah, a return of the Jewish Temple, etc....

...I recognize here a great potential for the the fulfillment of the Fatima Prophecies to involve it's true completion in an explosive future period.


FIRST: we have Rasputin's role revived in the present day flesh with Putin becoming the new rasPUTIN, and the Russian President Medvedev falling under Putin's spell.

The shared fate of Rasputin/Putin as stated by Wikipedia: "Rasputin then claimed that he had a revelation that the Russian armies would not be successful until the Tsar(Nikolas II) personally took command. With this, the ill-prepared Tsar Nicholas proceeded to take personal command of the Russian army, with dire consequences for himself as well as for Russia."

SECOND: Medvedev is the revival of Tsar Nikolas II's role in the world, with history repeating by means of Putin's massive influence directing Medvedev to head as Supreme Commander, the Russian army towards a future military conflict(in Kosovo) that would have dire consequence for Russia, and then for the world.


THIRD: The leader that rose out of the ashes of Tsar Nikolas II corpse was the JEWISH Vladimir Lenin whose future incarnation belongs to another extremist JEWISH leader by the same name of Vladimir...Vladimir Zhirinovsky. ( en.wikipedia.org... )

Lenin brought anti-religious communism to Russia first with his coup to power in 1917--also the year of the Fatima events--while the extremist Vladimir Zhirinovsky would likely be the man that would bring forth the core fulfilment of the Fatima prophecies that ignite with the hardline WARMONGERING leader in Russia turning his wrath at minimum, against religions associated with America(Catholics/Protestants/etc) as opposed to Russia's Orthodox Church. Zhirinovsky's prophetic arrival would probably occur in the 13th year of the 3rd millennium--2013(which would depend on certain preluding events to occur in 2012/maybe 2011)--The 13 (for 2013) is the other number associated with the Fatima events. 13 and 1917.



I am about 93-98% certain that the Third Secret of Fatima predicted the commencement or outbreak at the end of the 20th century of the war that will lead to utter devastation for all mankind. The reasons for this I have posted elsewhere in other posts. In my mind, for the prophecy to be genuinely from God, the nearly three month NATO bombing of Serbia over Kosovo in 1999 has to be the obscure start of world war III that is in the process of quietly moving towards the moment that all hell will break lose...unfolding anew with:
a) Kosovo having nine years latter unilaterally declared it's independence,
b) followed by a divided world of those that recognize Kosovo's independence and those that refuse to,
c) upcoming negotiations in early 2011 between Serbia and Kosovo of which Serbs falsely believe Kosovo will negotiate it's status within Serbia and give back its independence.
d) And now in the last month we have internationally launched accusations against Kosovo's leader Hashim Thaci of being a monster involved in organ harvesting, that may or may not lead to criminal charges against Thaci and led to Russia potentially being handed it's final EXCUSE to justify a military attack against Kosovo's "corrupt and monstrous criminal organ snatching leadership."; European investigations into the organ harvesting accusations are about to begin after the Dick Marty report next week. Don't have a clue if such an investigation if launched would last a year or two.




The true reason Tsar Medvedev would send Russia's military to crush Kosovo's independence on behalf of Serbia would be, either:

a) to overcome and defeat Putin in a battle to win the hearts and minds of the Russian people shortly before the 2012 elections so that he may remain president until 2018. In this case, Putin may have led Medvedev to believe that he can have a second term as president only for Putin to go back on his word close to January 2012, which would then put the onus on Medvedev to step aside or take massive action(Kosovo war) in attempt to become more popular than Putin. Medvedev may use the war to postpone elections for a couple of months to also buy time to ensure fair elections between the two.

b) Putin provides Medvedev with a plan of how to solve the 2012 election problem regarding which of the two leaders will hold the presidency for the next term that begins in 2012. The plan would be for Medvedev to tackle Serbia's Kosovo problem with Russian military action. If Medvedev succeeds(ie: avoid devastating American/German/French economic sanctions) then Medvedev remains the president, but if the U.S. turns Kosovo into a failure for Russia then Medvedev agrees to step down for Putin's return. But it would not go as Putin plans and Zhirinovsky or a lesser prophetic possibility involving a hard line communist would become the leader of Russia.

c) Putin somehow agree's to allow Medvedev to remain. And the Kosovo conflict ensues latter. However, and this is a big however, if we are discussing a war in Kosovo AFTER the Russia/Serb elections both slated for March 2012...and Tadic(Serbian President)'s coalition stays in power after Serb elections it will be hard to believe the Kosovo conflict will still happen...I do NOT see a particular need or desire for Russia/Putin/Medvedev to wage a war in Kosovo after March 2012. If an economic collapse occurred in Russia sometime after these elections, a conflict to divert attention and appease the Russian populace may be desirable but the target of Russia would probably be Georgia where the same benefits for the Russian leadership would be gained without all the risk that would entail the smashing of Europe's pet project of Kosovo. Europe is far more likely to turn a blind eye to the bombing of Georgia compared to the bombing of Kosovo where their collective ego is invested.

If Tadic(Serbian President)'s coalition losses the 2012 elections to a more nationalistic learning coalition, then Serbia's new leadership may drag Russia into the conflict--Serb elections could even be brought forward to 2011-- But I'm even doubtful that the more nationalistic coalition would be willing to start another war. Lots of Serbs have ended up in the Hague from the wars of the 1990's. A serb leader is not going to bomb Kosovo without full Russian military support for the fact that in 2011 it's crystal clear that International forces will eventually get their hands on that Serb leader and toss him into prison. And I don't believe the current leadership in Serbia(Tadic) wants to have a war in Kosovo at all. It would have to be forced upon Tadic by means of Medvedev simply showing up to the Serb parliament a month or two or three before the coinciding elections in both countries and present an offer to the Serb parliament of an immediate Russian military solution to the problem of Kosovo. Few Serb politicians would reject that offer. It's a new world with Russia fully supporting the Serbian side. Clearly such a war in Kosovo would depend above all on Putin/Medvedev's desire to wage it. Russian leaders cant and wont be dragged into a war against their will. Rather than fight Europe head-on to defend an ally such as Serbia, they have the: bomb Georgia after a six month delay OPTION to a country that Europe/US wont be defending with anything more than grunt noises and hollow gestures.



D) It's possible that nothing occurs as I believe. Maybe I'll be wrong on the details again, and again!!!!!



Further regards to Kosovo as the prophetically indicated hot-spot that begins world war III according to Fatima Secrets:

After a Russian invasion of Kosovo in early 2012, obviously it still requires two to tango to blow up a conflict into a world war type situation. Obama is not world war III igniting material. And Europe can't afford to force its Russian neighbor into a corner; risk is too great. Thus the situation likely heads across the ocean to the United States to unfold further where political campaigning over the November 2012 Presidential elections gets underway. It seems Russia's behavior in Kosovo would then become a dominant theme of the US elections pertaining to Obama's weak stance against Russian aggression. One candidate stands out. Wesley Clark ran for elections in 2004 and lost. Wesley Clark was the general that wanted to stand up to Russia in Kosovo in 1999 by telling his men to engage in combat with the Russian troops. His men refused his order. James Blunt(famous singer) returned to the issue recently. Blunt claimed that he refused to be responsible for starting world war III for Clark's sake. (James Blunt comments: www.bbc.co.uk... ) Wesley Clark's willingness to attack Russians in Kosovo was also in the news around 2003

It seems highly prophetic for Wesley Clark in the future to beat Obama in the primaries and become president of the United States all because of *Kosovo and standing up to Russia.* To than be followed by the extreme Vladimir Zhirinvosky becoming president of Russia all because of *Kosovo and standing up to/getting revenge against America.* Kosovo would be dripping with responsibility for world war III. The Serb/Nato conflict in 1999 at the end of the 20th century would be recognized as the obscure start of of the beginning of the devastations and the early start of the Fatima prophecies fulfillment.


I also have some reason to believe that the recently held elections in Kosovo that involved significant fraud ( www.b92.net... ) ... will in some way be connected to Russia's invasion of Kosovo. Maybe those Kosovo elections produce a coalition that will in the end be perceived and declared by Russia as a coalition of criminals(Thaci and Haradinaj) or that Russia will simple announce the "fraudulent elections and therefore illegitimate leadership" as one of the excuses for their military attack against Kosovo or that the elections produce a coalition that causes relevant political pressures by refusing to enter the talks with Serbia in the first place(which are expected to begin soon after Kosovo's government is in place...awaiting re-votes and coalition negotiations) or failure of the Kosovo parties to agree on nominations which would force new elections to be held again and even maybe even a third time thus turning Kosovo politics and government into a farce that precedes the Russian dismantling of Kosovo's independence.


In the name of full disclosure: Originally before mid november 2010 with all the signs I had in mind, I believed there was a 30% or so chance of Russia attacking Kosovo before the December 12th/2010 Kosovo elections. In late November when North Korea attacked the south, and the wikileaks bomb was dropped on Europe that seemed to me as a tactic to divide and turn European leaders against each other and especially against Obama who "had no feelings for Europe," all in order to minimize the chance that Europe bonds together with the USA to NON-militarily defeat Russia over Kosovo...and with Putin and Medvedev watching a movie about world war II together, and something else I'm forgetting at the moment....it suddenly seemed far more certain that the moment for the invasion of Kosovo was indeed at hand soon before the Dec 12th Kosovo elections as Kosovo had NO government in place and NO real President(acting president Jakup held the seat) it seemed a much better than usual moment for Russia to destroy Kosovo's Independence...Before and after that I originally expected such an invasion to occur in the period much closer to the Russian elections or during any visit of Medvedev to Serbia's parliament.



I previously mentioned Zhirinvovsky's arrival in 2013 in regards to Fatima and the 13th, but really there are a few other possibilities for prophetic events to occur in the 13th year instead, mainly a) the occurrence of a night illuminated by an unknown light that would be the sign given by God. or b) after Zhirinovsky's/or possibly even some other extremist Communists rise to power, a Russian invasion and military attack against Vatican City that would vividly commence the official period of persecution that the Third Secret pertains to.

For Catholics that want to see Fatima as a Catholic Prophecy, it is a Prophecy that warns that God will send His punishment against the Church and against the Christians, priests, Bishops and Pope within it by means of a terrible persecution that begins at the hands of Russia. It is explicit that God Himself sends the punishment of a persecution against the Church and Pope. If the suffering of God's people the Jews during world war II is any indicator of what the Fatima chastisement would have in store for the Church built upon Jesus' rock that has instead turned towards the precepts of men, then woe and woe again to the Church.


On the other hand, I could be utterly wrong about all of this fulfillment materializing. Only with the manifestation of these events can true and certain confirmation be obtained. And that is coming from someone that craves the truth while having had several personal experiences that seem to indirectly indicate the Fatima events are divine. And yet I am not one of those Catholics that discounts the possibility of demonic miracles in Fatima or even the possibility of a human hoax of a young girl spun out of hand. I however do not believe for one second that these Fatima prophecies will come true if they are not God's divinely sent prophecies for mankind. If they are from God they will come true, if they are not from God they will not come true. World war III failed to come about at the end of the 20th century, failed to come about after 911, failed to come about during the cold war, failed to come about during the economic collapse of the early 1990's. The Governments do everything in their power to avoid WORLD WARS. The strong use military violence when they know they can get away with it. Superpowers pick on enemies that are believed to be easily defeated. countries that lash out with great military might are appeased or ignored by surrounding nations if they are too much of a challenge in hope of the madness settling down. Military opposition against strong opponents arrives slowly (and not always) when a breaking point is reached as the aggressor pushes the limit too far(three/four invasions?) or for two long. Who presently in power is psychotic enough to aggressively push the limit with the intent on invading one nation after another to rebuild an empire....no one yet!

Originally posted by andy1033
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Even though people can have traits outside of families, you have to admit they look similar.

Oh yes, the similarities are obvious to anyone,

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It's a bit off topic but very interesting, thank you for the reference to Zhirinovsky in relation to the prophecies.
Astonishing is the threat he made to Britain in 2008, throwing nuclear bombs of the coast of it to flood it.
This has been mentioned in many prophecies.
I have a book called "Book III, world war 3" by Jan van Helsing aka Jan Udo Holey and is only available in German.
In this book they gathered many prophecies and searched for similarities. They have found quite a lot of them.
This specific prophecy has been foretold by 5 or 6 visionaries.

Originally posted by Phantomfire707
...The true reason Tsar Medvedev would send Russia's military to crush Kosovo's independence on behalf of Serbia would be, either:
a) to overcome and defeat Putin in a battle to win the hearts and minds of the Russian people shortly before the 2012 elections so that he may remain president until 2018. In this case, Putin may have led Medvedev to believe that he can have a second term as president only for Putin to go back on his word close to January 2012, which would then put the onus on Medvedev to step aside or take massive action(Kosovo war) in attempt to become more popular than Putin....

b) Putin provides Medvedev with a plan of how to solve the 2012 election problem regarding which of the two leaders will hold the presidency for the next term that begins in 2012. The plan would be for Medvedev to tackle Serbia's Kosovo problem with Russian military action. If Medvedev succeeds(ie: avoid devastating American/German/French economic sanctions) then Medvedev remains the president, but if the U.S. turns Kosovo into a failure for Russia then Medvedev agrees to step down for Putin's return.

c)...

Ten days ago I wrote the above post. This morning, shortly before I woke up I actually had a dream about the Russian elections. I think the dream was a reward for my spiritual struggle and success occurring last night, but who the heck knows. If the dream is prophetic, Medvedev and Putin will run against each other in 2012, which is scenario "A" from my original post.