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Originally posted by Esoteric Teacher
reply to post by KILL_DOGG
Who researches the government's activities more thoroughly than a conspiracy minded person?
Those who are employed by the government.
Have you ever considered that ufos might be a distraction by the government?
Yes I have. But after spending more than a decade in the usaf as a firefighter at nellis afb, obviously with a security clearance that permitted me access to all structures on the base in case they caught fire or needed rescue services, I do not feel I have the luxury of believing they are ours, at least from the here and now, anyways.
I used to consider that ufos would be one hell of a deterrent for war from other nations if they believed we had technologies from out of this world, literally.
Now my beliefs are different, and I believe we are being visited by someone who is not offering us a target, and have been demonstrating arial superiority for .... a very long time.
As a firefighter at nellis I lived on the flightline 24 hours a day, every other day, for 11 years, minus 3+ years deployed to warzones. I am familiar with conventional aircraft, and even wrote the technical orders for firefighters familiarizations with egress and shutdown proceedures for dozens of aircraft that would or could frequent nellis back in 06 and 07. I've personally witnessed arial phenomenon at low to the ground perspectives in restricted areas for an extended period of time with radio transmission interupted for hours at secure locations ..... in a post 9-11 reality ... can't imagine what benefit it would be for us to disrupt our own base communications and base functions.
But, don't take my word for it, wait until you have your own encounter, by all means.
no, i don't think they are ours. and if they are, I can only imagine why we are doing this to ourselves, and what truisms would have to exist to give authorities the perceived necessities that it must continue for any amount of time to continue to decieve and misdirect the very citizens they are sworn to protect and serve.
these are some of my opinions and experiences that i am prepared to share,
ET
Originally posted by Esoteric Teacher
Originally posted by zorgon
Well being very familiar with sitting at the end of the runway at Nellis and watching the take offs and landings, especially during red flag operations... I would venture to say that IF we had any top secret toys, they would hardly send them from Nellis, which is in the heart of Las Vegas and they have a viewing area on the road that passes the end of the runway. A cheap pair of binoculars is all you need to see anything on the flightline
People in Lo$$ Vague Guess ... um... I mean Las Vegas ... are easily distracted by all the lights, sex, gambling, and other things going on in Vegas to notice what may or may not be going on at other nearby places, imo.
This was part of the point I was trying to make, yet around the time I joined ATS I was on duty in the FACC (Fire Alarm Communications Center) at Fire Station #1 (there are four stations on nellis, base) I personally witnessed all communications at the 911 dispatch center for the entire base lose all communications via radio for over 8 hours while ufos were "flying" over area 2 restricted munitions area, and also watching the sp's driving up and down the airfield at high rates of speed, and absolutely no air crews working on aircraft on field, and also the control tower having no communications (or electricity) for almost an entire day. I saw ufos over sunset mountain, and flights into McCarren commercial airport diverting around their usual flightpaths over southside of sunset mountain. These objects, and lights in the evening, were not anything I was personally acquanted with, and were doing things that no human I know of could physically survive if they were in these things. Hundreds, if not thousands, witnessed this event, not just me. Why can say something about it? I'm 100% mentally disabled according to my goverment, due to ptsd associated with multiple traumatic brain injuries from being too close to stuff that went boom in warzones (although I don't believe them) who pays me a generous monthly pension, so .... I'm discredited, and you can feel free to ignore and disregard anything I might share here.
Originally posted by zorgon
Now I would LOVE to sit near the runway at Tonapah test center, that place that has the covered aircraft parking so Google Earth can't look in on them
Indian Springs and part of the Tonopah test range was renamed Creech in 2005.
They do have that cool new solar power array though... know anyone on base that could get me a tour of that?
That's near base housing and near the Hospital. I would call 1-702-652-0001, I believe, for base operator and get in contact with public relations and/or tickets and tours to see if you could set that up.
I've personally witnessed arial phenomenon at low to the ground perspectives in restricted areas for an extended period of time with radio transmission interupted for hours at secure locations ..... in a post 9-11 reality ... can't imagine what benefit it would be for us to disrupt our own base communications and base functions.
I expect a report on my desk in triplicate I would consider you a reliable witness
The event was ordered by us (the people keeping the logs of the event from the FD point of view) to be a "Helping Hand" so to speak, which at the time simply meant it was someone in the Q area (area 2) who was an unauthorized entry attempt or someone who should not have been there. it started early in the morning around 8:30. Our head personnel were dispatched to the area. We had no radio contact with them until nearly 14 hours later. They were gone all day. Landlines were working on and off all day, and we could not contact those on scene, higher ups, via commercial cell phones, either. Early in the afternoon we were told it had turned into a training excercize... possible. I went out for a smoke break flighline side ... and saw things flying around that were not helicopters and were not planes or aircraft I was familiar with. I went inside got a few more firefighters, we went outside together and watched few things in the air not moving, hovering I suppose, over the munitions area, area 2, the Q area, for about 15 minutes, and then I went back inside into the FACC (no windows/secure) Around a little before 10 pm (2200) We heard the first broadcasts over our radios (we monitor many frequencies) since that morning. It was the control tower (Airfield Traffic Control Tower) stating they had electricity again, and were asking us for a radio check, wondering if their radios were working again. They did not have radio capability all day long. Before the incident ended, I had went outside to see what I could see about 4 or 5 times I think, and to smoke a cig. During the evening hours they were amber in color, but seemed to change color, and also seemed to be "phasing" in and out of places. They would be over sunset mountain (commercial aircraft still flying around them) and then as they dissapeared from that location, they would be "popping" into existence simultaneously over different locations over the base, but I did not witness any over the flightline itself. Recordings of every radio transmission and every phone call exist stored in the Fire Alarm Communications Center (FACC) always until the end of the month, but these recordings were gone the next day and reset more than a week early, first and only time I had seen that done in my eleven year career. I'm not sure what happened that day, but why would they tell me, I was just the acting NCOIC of the FACC in charge of the emergency 911 systems on base with no capability for an entire shift + 2 hours, why would my superiors feel the need to tell me why I could not have the capability to do my job, and why all 911 systems didn't work? I don't know, and I don't know.
these are some of my opinions and experiences that i am prepared to share,
ET
Waiting for report
That is all I am comfortable sharing right now, and most of all I know about that particular subject. To share more would only be what I heard from others. But, with more than a decade in, I managed to hear a few associates talk about them occassionally. And, I also had other ufo sightings, and heard of other ufo sightings from other long term military career people.
This was one from a friend now at 45th wing space command at Patrick
Hill AFB, Utah 1985 During war games at Hill AFB, Utah, I was standing out on the flightline, guarding the perimeter, the entry-access control point. The rest of the base was in black out conditions, with black plastic over the windows of the buildings. All of the sudden, an aircraft or an airship was above me, of unknown origin. It was the biggest aircraft I have ever seen, completely silent and moved approximately ten miles an hour, almost floating. It was triangular, no visible engines, no markings, gun metal black. It essentially looked like it could fly in space. And when it accelerated, it leaped frog; that it is to say, it blinked out and reappeared farther away. It basically disappeared when it accelerated. BV
I was responding to you as I read, please consider the report I gave you about them "phasing" in and out of existence as some information I shared before reading the above similiar "blinked out and reappeared farther away". This did not effect my sharing with you that they seemed to be in more than one place at the same time, and phased in and out of airspace while simultaneously appearing somewhere else. Also, the craft I saw did not resemble triangles, and were mostly amber/yellowish orange lights in the evening hours after the sun went down. As to their shape, I couldn't tell, their shapes sometimes seemed to change, but for the most part seemed saucer or disc shaped, metalic shiny during the daylight hours.
Other than these things, I'm not comfortable sharing too much else about that incident or day, but that is most of what I witnessed, and what I honestly recall.
Hope sharing this might help,
ET