$250,000 Bounty for Any Illegal Alien Captured or Killed

reply to post by TrueAmerican


If that attitude is what you think it means to be American these days, maybe you ought to go. America is supposed to stand for justice. Where's the justice in what you're advocating? To fight the enemy successfully, you don't become the enemy...

You fight them with the means of civilized behaviour. Arrest. Trial. Sentence. Anything else, we become what we're fighting.

The bounds of the law are for everyone. You don't just shed them whenever you feel like it. Because you become the very problem your railing against.

reply to post by seagull


To the contrary , my friend , I never said slaughter them all . Inever said anything of the kind .

My posts have been directed to the drug dealers , not mexican people in general .

I have mexican friends who are wonderful people who are just here trying to survive and support their families . I cannot fault anyone for that , because if it ever comes down to it I would do whatever it takes to provide food for my grandkids . Even if that meant sneaking across a border to do it .

My beef is not with mexicans in general , but the ones who are here selling drugs and furthering the power of those cartels .

Sorry you misunderstood my position . I will try to be more clear from now on .

reply to post by butcherguy


I love the arguments of "what does china do with illegal immigrants", "what does mexico do illegal immigrants", "what does Iran do immigranst"

Are these really the role models you guys look up to and sugget that we should look to for advice on our policies???

Even a sheep herder will migrate with his flock in search of greener pastures and better opportunity. So long as we allow american corporations to relocate in Mexico and operate with impunity then we can expect to witness this migration of people trying to escape hopelessness and despair.

It's high time that the blame be placed where it belongs. History has shown us that slaves will always try to escape the miserable existence provided by their masters and this is no different. What would any of you do if you were unfortunate enough to be born in Mexico?

Corporate mentality, greed and jealousy are the things that have the potential to ruin America!

reply to post by seagull


Do you know what the first and foremost duty of our President is? To protect the citizens of this country against invasion from a foreign land. And where are our troops, huh? Are they on the border where they should be?

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Funny thing is, seagull, I agree with just about everything you say, in principle. The problem is, WE ARE BEYOND PRINCIPLES NOW. Principles don't matter when bullets are flying.

Illegal immigration, in addition to the drug cartel problem, has affected this country beyond the point of no return. Sides must be chosen here. And clearly at this point the law is no more help. Not to those who are living on the border and who have been instructed to arm themselves at their own expense.

To my own horror, I just saw this map:
hosted.ap.org...

I am living in one of those towns where there is known Mexican drug traffic, and that means, chances are there are known gangs associated with it as well.

So yeah, what am I going to do? Go vote for another slimy, lying politician that will lie again to get into office claiming that he will pass stiff immigration laws, on a voting machine with no paper trail that has been corrupted to begin with?

WTF? WHEN are you people going to wake up to reality here? From your graves?

reply to post by okbmd


Tres cool.

Sorry for the misunderstanding. I plead guilty of that which I dislike, stereotyping...sorry.

...and I'm in complete agreement that something must be done. But out of hand murder, even of drug dealing cartel gunmen, isn't it.

When we decide that we're judge, jury, and executioner...we've become what we're fighting against...a criminal. There are ways to solve this problem...the best way is to get our govt. to respond to our needs as they actually are, not what they feel they are.

I want secure safe borders, not one size fits all health care. ...my elected reps know this, 'cause I tell 'em so on a regular basis. Email is a wonderful thing... I'll continue to do so, so must all of us.

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by butcherguy

 

I love the arguments of "what does china do with illegal immigrants", "what does mexico do illegal immigrants", "what does Iran do immigranst"

Are these really the role models you guys look up to and sugget that we should look to for advice on our policies???

Just to let you know, I don't consider myself in the group ' you guys'.
I'm not saying that China's policy on N. Korean immigration is right.

I was responding to an idealistic statement that someone made, about looking past borders. I was simply giving examples of what real life is like in this real world that we live in. If you notice, there are international borders, and there are different ways used to handle the problems associated with travel across those borders. I was simply making that point.

I was under the impression that the posters were making these statements with tongue in cheek, I know that my first one was.

That is why I used the Ha Ha laffy faces.

P.S. This is skunk works.

[edit on 14-4-2010 by butcherguy]

Some of you are scary and one of you is hardly a TrueAmerican at all.
Someone commiting a crime is not a carte blanche for you to commit another.

reply to post by TrueAmerican


Good sir even though I am Australian and socialist I applaud your innovative and libertarian approach to immigration reform and boarder control.

You can simply let the market and the private sector solve the problem instead of big government. It's pure genius but it would unfortunately be considered "racist" or "white extremist" by some. But the idea certainly has some merit.

I think this is a very American solution to a very American problem

reply to post by TrueAmerican


I know we're not so far off. That's why we're getting so heated...

We see the same problem. Lack of govt. enforcement of our borders, and the resulting flood of illegals. So far, we're in lockstep.

Where we begin to part ways, with great enthusiasm, is the means to the same end. Protection of the borders and the people within them.

The end can not justify the means. That leads to anarchy, and problems becoming worse then they already are.

The President, and his fairly tame Congress, are not doing their jobs. Too true. That's why, in November, we need to replace his tame Congress with our Congress. One that, if we're vigilant, will service our real needs, not the ones that Mr. Obama, and others, think we need. That's the first step in solving the problem.

The second step is addressing the uses to which illegal immigrants are put to in this country. All too many of them work for slave wages, and those that hire them profit by it...un-American to say the least. Grave punishment should be meted out to those who hire illegal knowingly...jail, fines, loss of profits accrued by the use of illegals. Make it bloody flippin' dangerous to hire illegals and it'll stop. No jobs for them, they'll stop coming. That coupled with controlling the borders will go a long ways towards solving both the illegal immigrant issue, and the cartel issue.

The laws to do this are already in the books. Enforcement is the problem. Forcing our elected officials to do so is the third and final step. That requires that we get off our complacent little hineys and actually become involved in the fate of our nation...

...and no recourse to vigilantism required. Save the legal sort. At the ballot box.

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
And how are you going to determine if someone is illegal?

Usually a check through the pockets and belongings of the body yields something.
I'm heading west soon to visit the kids, I think I'll wear my CV reunion hat most of the time, probably all of the time.

Originally posted by seagull
...and no recourse to vigilantism required. Save the legal sort. At the ballot box.

Slap a tax on their bounty and call them the patriot patrol services a contracted division of DSH or something. They'd go from vigilantes to the largest growth sector in the country overnight.

You could even put a supply demand scale on the price on bounties versus the number of "merchandise" in the market. And then float that as a public stock offering. People could speculate on the price which would make the banks and wallstreet happy.

And it would have the added effect of creating jobs for unemployed and reducing the illegal workforce and the strain they cause on the economy at the same time.

Offer anyone that opposed a cushy office job administering the whole thing that would shut them up pretty quickly.




[edit on 14-4-2010 by belial259]

reply to post by TrueAmerican


Darn it, you saw through my easy quarter mil per applicant trap.


I saw the comments of the original post as dark humor. And responded with humor as well. But what most people fail to accept is that while Mexican illegals are the more prolific (go figure since they are a border country) that they are not the only ones.

There are factories and warehouses in Indiana and Illinois that have signs in Polish and Russian. last I checked, neither of those were commonly spoken in Cuidad Juarez nor Nuevo Laredo. I wonder which much larger border relatively nearby that might have been breached?

Spend some time here in Oxford, brush up on some conversational Mandarin before you come if you want to impress a rapidly growing segment of the student and post-grad population. Then again, maybe not as it makes me rather unique here. Oh, and if you do happen to drop by, do not speak in Chinese to a Japanese student or vice-versa. That is considered very offensive.

[edit on 14-4-2010 by Ahabstar]

reply to post by seagull


Your point is noted. Unfortunatly this problem will probably require violence. I myself tried to get on with the border patrol about three years ago- wouldnt take me- they want hispanics. The border patrols main mission right now is making sure a wmd doesnt cross our border. #2 is drugs, and lastly is illegal immigrants. I can promise you that after a short campaign of "kill em all and let god sort em out" illegals will not want to cross- would you? I wouldnt. the drug traffickers wont be so easy, violence is second nature to them. I have a feeling that there are enough people in the area and around the country that would volunteer just to secure that border. This will come to a head, eventually they will do something that will ignite the type of campaign you dont care for. This is not the crusades or the holocaust- totally different situation- this is an hourly incursion into our country by an invader, with hostile intent. Nothing less, for christs sakes they put a bounty on CBP heads- pretty please with sugar on top is not going to work.

reply to post by oppaperclip


Two words- Land Mines
air drop them along the entire border, declare it a no mans land
guaranteed success, put them on our side of the border, quarter mile wide swath should do the trick, not many would have to die before the realization that the wont make it set in

reply to post by inbound


So, the end justifies any means? Who decides who lives, who dies? You? Me? Some nebulous leader? I sure as hell don't want the job...

So we shoot/kill the illegals on the southern border/northern borders, and the coasts, too... Where does it stop? Who's next on the hit parade now that you've discarded law and order? The folks buying the drugs? The folks hiring the illegal aliens? Their kids? The dog? Where do you stop...?

You can not pick and choose which laws are to be obeyed. If they aren't working, change 'em. That's anarchy. Which does, of course, describe what is going on on the border with Mexico...on that we're agreed. The answer isn't however, and this is where we part company, more of the same, only on our side.

Originally posted by seagull
reply to post by seagull

 

The President, and his fairly tame Congress, are not doing their jobs. Too true. That's why, in November, we need to replace his tame Congress with our Congress. One that, if we're vigilant, will service our real needs, not the ones that Mr. Obama, and others, think we need. That's the first step in solving the problem.

The second step is addressing the uses to which illegal immigrants are put to in this country. All too many of them work for slave wages, and those that hire them profit by it...un-American to say the least. Grave punishment should be meted out to those who hire illegal knowingly...jail, fines, loss of profits accrued by the use of illegals. Make it bloody flippin' dangerous to hire illegals and it'll stop. No jobs for them, they'll stop coming. That coupled with controlling the borders will go a long ways towards solving both the illegal immigrant issue, and the cartel issue.

The laws to do this are already in the books. Enforcement is the problem. Forcing our elected officials to do so is the third and final step. That requires that we get off our complacent little hineys and actually become involved in the fate of our nation...

...and no recourse to vigilantism required. Save the legal sort. At the ballot box.

Sadly, this has been the platform of many of the current people in office, many of them make mention of "makeing immigration reform" one of their top items. and non of it comes to fruition.

So here's my dilemma with such.. How do you know if they will actually do as they say..

Poloticians are notorious for touting what we want to hear during the pre-election time for their campaigns, and then once elected, sitting on their duff living a cushy life.

I won't even go into the CT of the legitimacey of Elections, and the possibility of them being rigged regardless of how the votes fall.

But I think we are being hood-winked.

I also do not advocate the killing of innocents, women and children are a deffeint NO!

I do, however, advocate protecting innocents with deadly force, should people run across a such sitations where innocents are being in direct harm. And there are laws that provide ofr such things.

Conceal and carry is also another way of protection. But on the down side, if you have a handful of guys come after you, might be ruff to defend your family from them.

Sadly that is part of the problem occuring. "bands" of thugs killing our legal US Citizens, be it black, white, brown, yellow, or heliatrope.

Then there is the other side of letting the legal system get a hold of the ones doing the killing.. Ever consider that someone in these situations, killing someon and such, they have no care for how they end.. rotting in prison, or having 50,000 volts course through their bodies. the average lifespan of a drug-cartel member is lmited. so usually they don't worry about it, and do as they wish. So prison isn't really an effective solution to the problem.

We, as Americans, have become soft to the horros the rest of the world face every day. Our Utopian ideas do not fit very well amidst such chaos and disaster, and wonton holesale murders. Sometimes Force must be met with Force.

Sadly, we must pull up our boot-straps, and accept that not everything can be peaceful with a greedy, malevolent humanity.

[edit on 14-4-2010 by Cygnis]

I laughed when I saw this thread for the first time,

Considering the US Gov't makes money off the drug trade that goes between the Mexican Gov't and the Cartels and leaks over to the US.

If it is of massive importance than why not focus on Border Patrol rather than to fight 2 BS Wars.

It's an Illusion, no different than thinking were in Afghanistan to find Osama Bin Laden... We're there for the Oppium Trade.

Fox


[edit on 4/14/2010 by FoxStriker]