Health Care Bill To Cut Deficit: CB0

Originally posted by lpowell0627
And the entire premise of the harder you work, the more you earn, completely falls by the wayside when those that don't work are automatically entitled to everything the rest of us worked to get.

Welcome to the Wonderful World of Obama, where those nasty "haves" need to step back for the "have-nots".

Middle class America is classified as a "have" by Obama and the rest of the Democratic clownshoes that are in office right now. You know, Joe Schmoe just working to put food on the table. Well, he's making just far too much money, and has far too many benefits to suit him. So, he needs to sacrifice and give some of that up for the fourth generation welfare family or the illegal aliens that are living in his town.

Someone have any idea when the Chinese are finally going to take over?

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Great idea? You mean you think it's great that once this is passed, the taxing starts now. Of course, your wonderful benefits won't kick in until around 2013, but hey, that's OK, right?

Would you buy a freakin' car with those terms???

I don't trust the CBO director's numbers. Ever since he met with Obama, the numbers always seem to fall in Obama's favor.

Obama took the unusual step of inviting the director of the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office to the White House Monday to discuss health care costs. Doug Elmendorf made big news — and dealt a major setback to Obama’s push for overhaul — last week when he said that the legislation pending in Congress would not reduce health care costs.

proteinwisdom.com...

Even pro-health reform Ruth Marcus expresses a health dose of skepticism for the CBO's numbers.

Of the $138 billion saved in the first 10 years, $70 billion represents premiums collected for a new long-term-care program, money the government will have to pay in benefits later. An additional $20 billion in savings comes from changes to the federal student loan program.

And here is the accompanying tablespoon of salt: The CBO is required to assume that Congress will do what it promises. So, for example, Congress promises in the measure to cut several hundred billion dollars in Medicare spending. Sometimes such promises have come to pass. Other times, as in the current difficulty with scheduled cuts in Medicare reimbursements for doctors, they are put off because of a public -- or politically connected -- outcry.

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All of this is based on estimation and speculation and no doubt hope.

And you better hope that we have a real good economy every year, a Congress that controls its spending and sticks to the law as written, and a bottle of vaseline by your side.

Cause there is no way they are going to be able to keep this at the price tag they are giving.

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Great idea? You mean you think it's great that once this is passed, the taxing starts now. Of course, your wonderful benefits won't kick in until around 2013, but hey, that's OK, right?

That's not true.

Parents will immediately be able to keep their children on their own insurance policy till age 26 which is very good. Many people in their teens/twenties don't have insurance at all and think they are invincible...but then something happens and they need to go to the ER and dont' have insurance to cover costs.

Also immediate, no longer can you be denied for pre-existing conditions...nor can you be dropped for a health condition.

The more people that are paying into the system, the more costs SHOULD go down. ER costs are insanely expensive because that is where everyone goes that doesn't have health insurance.

Profitibility, IMO, needs to be taken out of health insurance companies.

BTW...Republicans are largely silent on criticizing the health insurance companies....

How can they attack them now when they've been defending them for the last year or so? They'll just attack Obama instead so they don't show their HYPOCRISY.

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Insurance companies are making roughly 4% profit. (I have heard some say 9% but have not seen that in print) Why would the republicans smear a company with such a small profit margin? Might as well smear the corner bakery for gouging the 15% profit from the unfortunate people who can't afford a full dozen donuts so must settle for a half doz.! This is ridiculous. If you support this bill, you do not understand what government is for. If you look into the constitution, the ONE thing in this discussion that actually falls under the Federal Governments responsibility is WAR! Not Social Security, not Medicare, not unemployment benefits, and certainly not health care! I strongly disagreed with the Bush spending, and I made it known to all who would listen. I am now making it known that I STRONGLY disagree with this bloated chum bucket called health care reform. If it passes, we are forever in debt and will be held hostage every year when the democrats want to raise taxes for ANYTHING! (Want a project in your district? Either pay more taxes or lose the MRI machine!) Welcome to hope and change!

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If it passes, we are forever in debt and will be held hostage every year when the democrats want to raise taxes for ANYTHING! (Want a project in your district? Either pay more taxes or lose the MRI machine!) Welcome to hope and change!

How much are your taxes increasing?

Please elaborate. You do realize that health insurance is essentially already a tax on anyone who wants to cover risk for a health problem..and they profit from it.

Grandpa dying from cancer? Too bad...we need to make a few bucks off that. They skim from the top and make money by not covering those who could be helped. Everyone says that no one is denied ER...which is true....but many of those people are going to die because it would have been preventable if they could have went to the doctor routinely to prevent disaster. They wait to long because they know they can't afford it.

This results in huge debts that could have been prevented....but will still not be paid....which increase ALL OF OUR COSTS.

Actually, the present health care bill very much resembles the legislation enacted by the state of Massachusetts, a few years ago, when Mitt Romney was governor.

Yoo hoo.

That's Mitt Romney, the Republican, one of the front runners for the GOP nomination in 2008. Remember?

Massachusetts was, I believe, the first state to institute universal health care. So far I haven't heard very many objections from the natives.

For those of you who believe health insurance reform is not legal under the Constitution, consider that many states will follow Mass. If we can't get it done on a federal level there's a very good chance many states will do it individually.

Originally posted by Sestias
Massachusetts was, I believe, the first state to institute universal health care. So far I haven't heard very many objections from the natives.

I thought that it wasn't doing such a bang-up job. I'll have to do some research.

Originally posted by Sestias
For those of you who believe health insurance reform is not legal under the Constitution, consider that many states will follow Mass. If we can't get it done on a federal level there's a very good chance many states will do it individually.

Well, at least that way, if you didn't like it, you could move.

Mayby Some people have jumped the gun on this bill being affordable. The AP is now reporting this about the healthcare bill.

finance.yahoo.com...


Hmmmmm strange they released this on a Friday night before a Sunday vote...

Still trust the CBO isn't getting political influence?

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Actually more than half of the defense budget goes to pay for the private contractors and war profiteers since the privatization of the military.

What actually goes to the military or arm forces is just a fraction after the private war industry gets their cuts first.

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Still trust the CBO isn't getting political influence?

Was the CBO getting political influence when it was reporting...and still is...HUGE deficits under Obama's budget?????????????????????????????????

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Here is an upday of what now is call the failing Massachuset health care that after the promises of been universal it fail short on those promises

The Massachusetts Health Reform Law of 2006 expanded Medicaid coverage for the poor and made available subsidized, Medicaid-like coverage for additional poor and near-poor residents of the state.

It also mandated that middle-income uninsured people either purchase private health insurance or pay a substantial fine ($1,068 in 2009).

Smaller fines (up to $295 per employee) were also levied on employers who fail to offer insurance benefits.

The reform law has not achieved universal health insurance coverage, although half or more of the previously uninsured now have some type of insurance policy.

The reform has been more expensive than expected, costing $1.1 billion in fiscal 2008 and $1.3 billion in fiscal 2009. In the face of a state budget crisis in fall 2008, Gov. Deval Patrick announced that he will keep the reform afloat by draining money from safety-net providers such
as public hospitals and community clinics.

By mandating that uninsured residents purchase private health insurance, the law reinforced the economic and political power of health insurance firms..

On passage of the reform, then-Gov. Mitt Romney declared “Every uninsured citizen in Massachusetts will soon have affordable health insurance and the costs of health care will be reduced.”1 However, the reform has not reduced health costs in the state, and the reform has
proven far costlier than expected: $1.1 billion 2008, with costs of $1.3 billion forecast for 2009.

In 2009 The state of Massachusetts were asking the federal governemnt to help them with the cost of their "state Insurance" because they were running out of money.

The new law mandates that all uninsured adults with incomes greater than 300% of poverty must purchase private insurance or pay a fine. The fine was initially a few hundred dollars, but was $912 in 2008 and will rise to $1,068 in 2009. The fines are collected along with the state income tax, and are, essentially, a new tax on the uninsured.

The state has failed to ensure the availability of comprehensive plans at affordable prices. Despite the merging of the small group and individual insurance markets, which was expected to lower costs in the individual market, premiums continue to be unaffordable for even the least
comprehensive (skimpiest) plans.

The private insurance plans available through the Commonwealth Choice program can be extremely expensive. According to the Connector website (accessed December 29, 2008 at www.mahealthconnector.org) the cheapest plan available to a middle-income 56-year-old now
costs $4,872 annually in premiums alone. However, if the policy holder becomes sick, (s)he must pay an additional $2,000 deductible before insurance kicks in. Thereafter the policy holder pays 20% co-insurance (i.e. 20% of all medical bills) up to a maximum of $3,000 annually
($9,872 in total annual costs including premium, deductible and co-insurance).

Read more, www.pnhp.org...

Universal health care my butt, they just gave the states rights of their citizens to private insurance companies.

Originally posted by David9176
reply to post by Thirty_Foot_Smurf

 

Still trust the CBO isn't getting political influence?

Was the CBO getting political influence when it was reporting...and still is...HUGE deficits under Obama's budget?????????????????????????????????

Use enough question marks there spaz?

I'm simply pointing out that its a curiosity that after 14 months of this crap they only finally release the damage so close to the vote. What does that say to a correct thinking person? It smacks of coercion. Obamas political career isn't riding on his budget but rather his legacy.The socialization of healthcare, much like FDR's socialization of retirement through social security, will be his legacy. Do you see the distinction?


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Latest news on Massachussetts health care, as March 17, 2010,

MASSACHUSETTS GOING BANKRUPT OVER HEALTHCARE

State Treasurer Timothy P. Cahill, an independent candidate for governor making a play for fiscally conservative voters, said yesterday that the state’s universal health care law is bankrupting Massachusetts and will do the same nationally if Congress passes a similar plan.

Many policy makers and candidates, including Patrick, have acknowledged that while the state law has succeeded in extending coverage to about 97 percent of residents, it has not lowered insurance premiums, which have continued to rise sharply. But Patrick said yesterday that the treasurer is wrong again to assert that the law, which was signed by Governor Mitt Romney, is sinking the state’s finances.

Cahill said the law is sustained only with millions of dollars in federal aid, which he suggested the Obama administration is funneling to Massachusetts to help the president make the case for a similar plan in Congress.

“The real problem is the sucking sound of money that has been going in to pay for this health care reform,’’ Cahill said. “And I would argue that we’re being propped up so that the federal government and the Obama administration can drive it through’’ Congress.

www.sodahead.com...

Originally posted by David9176
reply to post by Lkelly1965

 

If it passes, we are forever in debt and will be held hostage every year when the democrats want to raise taxes for ANYTHING! (Want a project in your district? Either pay more taxes or lose the MRI machine!) Welcome to hope and change!

How much are your taxes increasing?

Please elaborate. You do realize that health insurance is essentially already a tax on anyone who wants to cover risk for a health problem..and they profit from it.

Interesting logic. I guess by your thinking most things can be considered an insurance against risk and therefore a tax. If that's a case please tell me where we draw the line?

Also money I pay to avoid risks.....and evil people profit.
Is my grocery bill insurance/tax from starvation?
Is my water bill insurance/tax from dehydration?
Is my heating bill insurance/tax from hypothermia?
Is my mortgage insurance/tax from the elements?
Is my cable bill insurance/tax against boredom?
Is my dentist bill just insurance/tax against my teeth falling out?


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Originally posted by marg6043
Latest news on Massachussetts health care, as March 17, 2010,

MASSACHUSETTS GOING BANKRUPT OVER HEALTHCARE

State Treasurer Timothy P. Cahill, an independent candidate for governor making a play for fiscally conservative voters, said yesterday that the state’s universal health care law is bankrupting Massachusetts and will do the same nationally if Congress passes a similar plan.

Many policy makers and candidates, including Patrick, have acknowledged that while the state law has succeeded in extending coverage to about 97 percent of residents, it has not lowered insurance premiums, which have continued to rise sharply. But Patrick said yesterday that the treasurer is wrong again to assert that the law, which was signed by Governor Mitt Romney, is sinking the state’s finances.

Cahill said the law is sustained only with millions of dollars in federal aid, which he suggested the Obama administration is funneling to Massachusetts to help the president make the case for a similar plan in Congress.

“The real problem is the sucking sound of money that has been going in to pay for this health care reform,’’ Cahill said. “And I would argue that we’re being propped up so that the federal government and the Obama administration can drive it through’’ Congress.

www.sodahead.com...

So true so true. All one has to do is look at the blue states and their decades long socialist agendas and they can see that this great social justice experiment has been tried and is an abject failure. Their hubris prevents them from admitting that they are all wrong.

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Use enough question marks there spaz?

Sorry poopyhead, I'll pull back on the ?'s. Wouldn't want to get your panties in a bunch.

Insurance is distribution of risk. I'm sure you'll find that most will agree...since that is what it is.

Originally posted by Thirty_Foot_Smurf

So true so true. All one has to do is look at the blue states and their decades long socialist agendas and they can see that this great social justice experiment has been tried and is an abject failure. Their hubris prevents them from admitting that they are all wrong.

Maybe right...

But a measured man would say the same to trickle down economics, free trade, multinational mergers and Billionaire tax breaks = less wages - worse jobs - greater deficits and destruction of the middle class.
All since the introduction of such theories and practices; 80 on forward >

I would say there is hubris to go around and plenty of abject failure to top the wonders of success. All one have to do is track the deficits-

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Originally posted by marg6043
Latest news on Massachussetts health care, as March 17, 2010,

MASSACHUSETTS GOING BANKRUPT OVER HEALTHCARE

State Treasurer Timothy P. Cahill, an independent candidate for governor making a play for fiscally conservative voters, said yesterday that the state’s universal health care law is bankrupting Massachusetts and will do the same nationally if Congress passes a similar plan.

Many policy makers and candidates, including Patrick, have acknowledged that while the state law has succeeded in extending coverage to about 97 percent of residents, it has not lowered insurance premiums, which have continued to rise sharply. But Patrick said yesterday that the treasurer is wrong again to assert that the law, which was signed by Governor Mitt Romney, is sinking the state’s finances.

Cahill said the law is sustained only with millions of dollars in federal aid, which he suggested the Obama administration is funneling to Massachusetts to help the president make the case for a similar plan in Congress.

“The real problem is the sucking sound of money that has been going in to pay for this health care reform,’’ Cahill said. “And I would argue that we’re being propped up so that the federal government and the Obama administration can drive it through’’ Congress.

www.sodahead.com...

Thanks Marge been looking for that information.

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so???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ??????????

We need Socialism of our question marks. It's obvious that both you and I simply are greedy when it come to ?'s.

Seriously...look at all of those question marks that could be used by other's who are question mark deprived?

But a measured man would say the same to trickle down economics, free trade, multinational mergers and Billionaire tax breaks = less wages - worse jobs - greater deficits and destruction of the middle class.

What is this madness you speak of? Trickle down economics and multinational mergers...billionaire tax breaks make the poor and middle class more weatlhy.

Geezus what are you smoking man?

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