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Originally posted by Lillydale
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You said that no one was trying to actually force Christianity on anyone here. Trying to make a Christian holiday law would be just such a thing.
Do not shift the goal posts. Specifically, you said that nothing was being shoved. I pointed out that it was. If you want to rant about allowing Christmas in school, please do that on your own but do not waste my time with it.
But they exist. That was all that needed to be said. You said this sort of thing did not happen. Now you justify the quantity? Pick a side.
Born Again Christians. Specifically from the First Bible Baptist Church of North Greece. They are on google if you want to call and ask if any of the parish does this.
There are also Mormons. Look into it as they HAVE to do this as part of their religious rites. Who is it you think Jehovah's witnesses are witnessing to?
You are lucky that you have missed out on this joyful experience but if you think that it is just some hoax the country has collectively been working on for decades just to fool you, then you think very much of you and little of anything else.
It would not matter if it was just one person in the entire world in all of history. This still means that it does happen. You cannot say it does not happen just because you do not feel enough people do it to count as any.
So you are an expert.
Because nothing sounds creepy there.
Were they between the ages of 19 and 25 and male?
I have Muslim friends so I guess 9/11 never happened. I have Christian friends, good people - there go the crusades, right? It does not work that way. Then again, I never specifically named Mormons. I find their style of coming to my door to make me want Jesus in my life much less confrontational than the example I gave. I was not listing behaviors of Mormons. I was listing behaviors of abhorrent forced religion.
Again, there is a difference. I think it is fantastic that you know some nice Mormon folks. You do not seem to have learned much about their practices though or else you would not be using them as your example of how people do NOT shove religion down your throat. Again, see 19-25 year old Mormon males. I know nice Mormons too. That does not mean that Born Agains do not routinely tell me that I am an abomination until I take Jesus into my heart. I wish you would pay closer attention and maybe this can be productive.
I asked if you had any examples of Atheists pushing Atheism as I listed people pushing RELIGION. I did not ask whether or not you liked them as people.
The answer was no. No, you cannot find any such examples. Paragraphs on how much you hate Atheists is not an answer in any sense of the word.
They come to your house and wake you up to tell you God does not exist?
Do they try to mandate that school children take time off of learning to acknowledge some sort of worship of NO GOD?
Do they even just hand out leaflets reminding you there is no god anywhere?
Are not holidays based on our history, population views, and traditions? To recognize a religious or non-religious event is not forcing it on someone, or are you chained to a pew on Christmas day? Once again you view that something is “forced” on you when it is just OTHERS practicing what they believe in, and it just so happens around you.
To recognize a religious or non-religious event is not forcing it on someone
OTHERS practicing what they believe in, and it just so happens around you.
Originally posted by 13579
well in fact that is not true.. In england shops are were not allowed to trade on sundays
wanna take a guess why? seems pretty "forced" to me that does...
or just so happens to affect your LIFE.. would be more correct..
were do you think laws come from? really?
Thall shall not kill? ring any bells?
Thall shall not steal?
you know like them crazy taliban people your fighting in afganistan? or them god loving "christans" who burnt peope for saying the world was not the center of the known universe..
ask copernicus he should know..
Originally posted by Angus123
When I stated that's not the case and why you simply shifted to a new argument. Now you're just babbling about majority rule and how generous christians are. Well the founders knew majority rule in matters of faith would lead to theocracy and put safeguards in place to prevent it. And so what if they give to charity. They hold the world back by clinging to their superstitions.
Well cling to them. Wallow in them. Take delight in your delusions.
But keep it out of my government.
[edit on 27-12-2009 by Angus123]
Just because someone is a senior doesn't give a jail out of free card. We are still chasing down Nazi leaders. Should we let them go as well? My personal grudge?The catholic church is worth billions. Explain to me with all the poverty among catholics why is the Vatican able to make international investments? Why should any church have so much power and money?
May I ask are there any non religious influences that are forced on you too?
We can rename Christmas and Merry Christmas to Winter Holiday and happy holiday, but it is still there. It is a part of both of our countries since their beginnings (for better or worst) even if you personally do not believe.
non-religious atrocities dwarf ones with a religious influence.
Originally posted by Lillydale
You said no one did this sort of thing.
I pointed out that people do indeed do this.
You read - all religions and all people who have religion are bad.
You seem to think that knowing one Mormon couple tells you all you need to know about everyone of every religion because according to you, I am wrong based on this.
Drunks are rarely good protectors.
The 4th of July is not an Atheist Holiday. It is Nationalist and no one forces you to celebrate it. You chose to live in the United States. The United States celebrates the date it was born as a nation. I did not choose to live in a church or the vatican or any country with a state religion. See the differences yet?
I really do not want to come across as nasty about this but your responses are getting farther and farther from what I have actually said and it has completely lost all meaning. If you want to think I said things that I did not so that you can preach against those things, please find someone else.
Originally posted by Xtrozero
Well I really didn't choose to live in the US....you are right though I can choose to not celebrate the 4th of July just as you can choose to not celebrate Christmas, as many do not.
BTW Atheist deals with nothing...how can you have a nothing holiday or talk about nothing. Lol
Originally posted by 13579
reply to post by Xtrozero
non-religious atrocities dwarf ones with a religious influence.
That is total BS
Sorry...
Originally posted by Xtrozero
Originally posted by Lillydale
You said no one did this sort of thing.
Hmm I didn't say this...
And I'm sure what you mean by "Forcing" is seeing or hearing any form of religion within your area of perception.
It is funny how something good willed as a simple “Marry Christmas” can be viewed as a personal attack of forced religion….
Originally posted by Lillydale
There are people out there that feel Christmas should be mandatory.
What do you mean by mandatory? What would you be forced to do?
I'm asking because I don't know and not trying to be a smart @ss
That is right. How can you have a nothing holiday like Earthday, Birthdays, Arbor day, etc. They must not exist. I have no clue where you are even coming from anymore.
Originally posted by Lillydale
You said no one did this sort of thing.
Hmm I didn't say this...
Yes, you did.
And I'm sure what you mean by "Forcing" is seeing or hearing any form of religion within your area of perception.
It is funny how something good willed as a simple “Marry Christmas” can be viewed as a personal attack of forced religion….
Did you not mean to say that there is no real forcing going on or was this just an empty post to exercise your fingers?
Originally posted by Xtrozero
Are all non religious events based from atheism?
Personally if someone told me I’m going to hell because I do not believe, it would have the same affect on me as if someone told me I’m not getting presents from Santa because I don’t believe.
Originally posted by Xtrozero
Do what? I am missing you view on this...
My point was that many Atheist are hyper sensitive to ANYTHING religious, to the point that everything with a religious based is “forced” on them just because it so happens within the area of perception.
How about allowing Christmas in schools and you choose on whether you participate or not, or have Ramadan (as another example) and do the same. It’s all a hard line to atheist and even though I’m not that religious I am tolerant to the beliefs of others. I can enjoy a great Ramadan meal with Muslins even though I care little about their religion. I can reply thank you to a person that wishes me Happy Hanukah though I’m not Jewish. I don’t view any of this as some infringement on my rights as you must.
Originally posted by 13579
like i said its BS..
each one of them you listed have a GOD..
I dont know if you are confused or not but they did in fact WORSHIP A GOD
i know you only are limited to thinking inside a tiny little box that religion is some how "westeren" when in fact its NOT..
Originally posted by Lillydale
I could care less what anyone tells me either.
I DO care about them waking me up repeatedly to do it.
I DO care about them ringing my bell and knocking on my door for 20+ minutes so I am forced to come make them go away.
I DO care about the fact that it is not easy to make them go away.
I DO care about the Mormons going on their mission every summer. If I did not want to buy into it the last 20 times you were here, please stop coming to my home uninvited to talk to me about it. I have my book of Mormon already thanks. I do not need a reading partner any more than a wake up call.
I DO care about being told that there is something wrong with me in my own home by uninvited pests.
I DO care about the money I earn. I would like to spend some of that money on Christmas presents I would like to buy people that I love instead of having my tax dollars taken to force my kids to close their math, science, history book and go sing "Silent Night."
Calling me stupid does not bother me. Lobbying politicians to legislate everyone acknowledge your belief that I am stupid, using my tax dollars for it, and making my children sing about it is pathetic.