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Originally posted by griffinrl
I didn't realize you were scientifically trained. In what area?
I always appreciate your comments and input my friend
Originally posted by newage2012how many scientists are here right now? Hmm, I don't see any hands. Lovely.
So could it happen? Sure there's a possibility. Is it likely it's just another fear mongering end of the world claim? I guess we will find out in two weeks.
Originally posted by jdub297
Originally posted by newage2012how many scientists are here right now? Hmm, I don't see any hands. Lovely.
Guess you didn't see mine either.
Jupiter will not and did not "ignite." Especially since there's no oxygen to support fire.
So could it happen? Sure there's a possibility. Is it likely it's just another fear mongering end of the world claim? I guess we will find out in two weeks.
Nope, not possible. Not even attain fusion. It is impossible.
jw
Originally posted by ngchunter
Originally posted by newage2012
My second point is, how many scientists are here right now? Hmm, I don't see any hands. Lovely. So now NOBODY should be saying jack # is for sure or not.
Actually, I am. Had you waited for an answer you might have been surprised by the result.
Literally, tomorrow some average joe could stumble across something that would change ALL of our thinking.
No offense, but ATS is filled with "average joes" who think they've found something that should "change ALL of our thinking." It's that mentality that lead to John Lenard Walson's meteoric popularity. That's not to say that the average joe is incapable of stumbling across the incredible, it's to say that it doesn't override the importance of scientific training and education - it's a lot more than "just theories." 9 times out of 10 when average joe thinks he's found the incredible, its because of a fundamental misunderstanding or ignorance of science. Incredible discoveries are usually made by becoming more skeptical, not less.
So could it happen? Sure there's a possibility.
There's just as much of a possibility that earth will spontaneously start a sustained fusion reaction in 5 seconds. In order for that to occur, just about every observation and equation with regards to nuclear fusion over the last century would have to be wrong.
Is it likely it's just another fear mongering end of the world claim? I guess we will find out in two weeks.
No, we'll find out tomorrow morning, provided the weather is good. Of course, I already posted photo evidence acquired by others, but I guess wide field images aren't good enough for you?
[edit on 17-2-2009 by ngchunter]
Originally posted by Masterjaden
upon compression of the 238pu or a small quantity of 239pu which can happen when 238pu sits for long periods of time
caused a fission reaction which generated enough heat to cause the hydrogen and helium in one or the other of the gas giants to fuse and cause a thermonuclear reaction which in turn ignited the whole planet.
Originally posted by Masterjaden
You should really study a little more history and less science, almost EVERY single significant leap in science was contrary to the scientific paradigm of the time.
You're a complete fool if you rely on your educ.... I mean indoctrination to decide what is real and what is not.
The more I learn of the reality behind modern science the less enamored I am with man's supposed greatness.....
Originally posted by ngchunter
Originally posted by daz__
funny I seem to remember that not long after Galileo plunged into Jupiter that a large black spot appeared not far from the red spot.. correct me if I am wrong..
What does that have to do with the galileo probe, exactly? Galileo plunged into jupiter within a degree of the equator, nowhere near the dark storm seen later at 10 degrees north latitude.
www.jpl.nasa.gov...
In fact, such storms are a common occurance on Jupiter. Galileo itself photographed them before its mission ended:
ciclops.org...
Originally posted by daz__
Nuclear bombs I am also sure there will be a thread somewhere on that subject too..
And what has the information from the link you provided got to do with the position of the dark cloud mass at 10 degrees north.. Where are the telescopic images.. Is there an independant source other than nasa which could comfirm this..
The document you linked seem to me to be an overview of the Galileo mission.. I see nothing there remotely related to the probe or the storm..
In fact you say Galileo went down at 1 degree from the equator and later the storm was seen at 10 degrees north.. Where I come from things like storms and weather systems move around.. Maybe the weather systems where you come from dont who am I to say..
I'm no expert just a lay person making some observations here but I would have Imagined the physics of storms on jupiter would be pretty much like here on earth only on a much bigger scale..
The premise espoused is that the government lunched(sic) a sattelite(sic) with a LARGE payload of ... PU into Saturn and or Jupiter and upon compression ... a fission reaction which generated enough heat to cause the hydrogen and helium in one or the other of the gas giants to fuse and cause a thermonuclear reaction which in turn ignited the whole planet.
It is not as far fetched as might be originally thought and to call it ridiculous is(sic) he(sic) meanderings of a fool.
There is NOTHING implausible about a non natural event such as fissible(sic) material generating enough heat to cause a thermonuclear fusion reaction that would be self generating with the amount of helium and hydrogen on either gas giant Jupiter or Saturn.