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Originally posted by Flinx
Unfortunately, there are no archive sites that have past C2C shows. You can listen to old shows on the C2C website but you have to subscribe to some service and pay for them.
I know about all the anaysis of the Meier material and that experts have said about it's authenticity. Still I can't help but think it LOOKS fake. Of course, looking fake doesn't mean that it IS fake.
But the predictions are just amazing (if true). I wouldn't take a second look at this stuff if it weren't for them. The skeptics only tend to focus on the pictures and videos and not these predictions, which are the real "meat" of the case.
The case would be much more impressive without those photo/videos. However, I wonder if Meier may actually have some kind of "predictive ability". Of course all this hinges on whether or not it can be proven that Meier made the predictions before the fact.
Originally posted by Spreadthetruth
Actually, Meier's photos/videos have been proved genuine and no one has been able to replicate any of them....... Remember, this was back in 1976, Starwars hadn't even come out yet..... And he was managing to gets footage like this?? with one arm?? I swear Hollywood should have got hold of this guy! He would have made one hell of a sci fi move!
Alot of things he said came true...... The twin towers...... Terrorism in London...
Originally posted by jritzmann
I'm makin the vow now, (hey that rhymes)...I'm not talkin about this case anymore. I'm takin it somewhere else.
Gazrock said that they were from a Cold War mindset...does this mean that he actually did make them back then?
I thought Kal K. was a real investigator but i believe that he's just pretends to play as a debunker but don't really know what debunking means??????
Ok, so it looks like many of us have come to the conclusion that Meier's "evidence" is faked. However, some plastic models on a string are not what's interesting about this case. I'm not really interested in Meier's spiritual message either. I try to shy away from the whole spirituality mixing with UFOs thing. I kind of resent the UFO researchers who try to infuse spirituality and the paranormal into the UFO field...it just allows skeptics to lump all "strange" phenomenon together. Call me naive, but I'm pretty "nuts and bolts" when it comes to UFOs. I'm more of the Stanton Friedman type than the Jacques Vallee type.
Erm...anyway. What I really find interesting about this case, and what hasn't really been addressed yet are the predictions Meier has made. Forget all of those lame photos for a moment. Did Meier really make those predictions before the events occurred? Gazrock said that they were from a Cold War mindset...does this mean that he actually did make them back then?
The only one I can actually confirm is the the discovery of 2 objects beyond Pluto. I suppose that could be a lucky guess but...
Yes, he made predictions about today's events, back then, that are conclusions based on a Cold War mindset. I believe I went into some of these in the thread debating Meier's accounts. Prophets focus on predictions that come true (or can be shoehorned into the truth), while ignoring the more numerous untrue predictions...
The terms are often confused, so one can't blame you. A skeptic is one who goes in with an open mind that something could be true but the evidence has to support it, looks at the evidence, and THEN renders a decision. A debunker is one who goes in with their mind already made up, who then looks only at that which agrees with their mindset that it's baloney. Kal is a "debunker" in this regard.
I was extremely skeptical when looking at the Meier case. I certainly WANTED it to be genuine, but multiple UFO sightings by one individual rarely are. The endorsement of the Disclosure Project was impressive, and so were the initial photos I saw. But then, as I looked into it, I saw more and more that the evidence pointed in exactly the opposite direction. Older, obvious faked photos emerged (endorsed by Meier and his spokespeople), the prophecies unravelled, and the story broke into pieces.... Laughable attempts such as the "video" and the Asket and Nera hoax, the ray gun pics, all of it was simply too much for anyone to really take this seriously....