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originally posted by: neoholographic
Th Bible talks about the 8th king in Revelation 17...
originally posted by: MetalChickAmy
a reply to: randomuser
Why do you never factor in the Nazis when it comes to your ideology? Surely that group of deplorables were responsible for bringing about the Great Tribulation. The holocaust primarily killed 6 million Jews. Not to mention, it was your beastly friends, the Anglo/American world power, that put a stop to it.
By trying to make all of the Heads about Rome, you are practically throwing away the Old Testament with all of its rich history of how the Israelites were persecuted over and over by various Antichrists who ruled during that time. That is where you need to be focused on. Look for the Kings that did the most harm to the Israelites and all will be revealed to you.
The origin of the name Magog is unclear. It has been conjectured to come from the Akkadian mat Gugi, "land of Gog", that is, the land of Gyges: Lydia.
Lydia (Lydian: 𐤮𐤱𐤠𐤭𐤣𐤠, Śfarda; Aramaic: Lydia; Greek: Λυδία, Lȳdíā; Turkish: Lidya) was an Iron Age kingdom of western Asia Minor located generally east of ancient Ionia in the modern western Turkish provinces of Uşak, Manisa and inland Izmir.
originally posted by: MetalChickAmy
a reply to: randomuser
Why do you never factor in the Nazis when it comes to your ideology? Surely that group of deplorables were responsible for bringing about the Great Tribulation. The holocaust primarily killed 6 million Jews. Not to mention, it was your beastly friends, the Anglo/American world power, that put a stop to it.
After the war ended, in 1918, the victorious Allies imposed a punitive peace treaty on Germany. The German people found the terms of the treaty harsh, and the new republic was weak from the start. Germany staggered for some years in extreme distress and experienced the Great Depression that ultimately left six million unemployed. By the early 1930’s, conditions were ripe for the rise of Adolf Hitler. He became chancellor in January 1933 and the following year assumed the presidency of what the Nazis called the Third Reich.
Immediately after coming to power, Hitler launched a vicious attack against “the holy covenant,” represented by the anointed brothers of Jesus Christ. (Matthew 25:40) In this he acted “effectively” against these loyal Christians, cruelly persecuting many of them. Hitler enjoyed economic and diplomatic successes, acting “effectively” in those fields also. In a few years, he made Germany a power to be reckoned with on the world scene.
Hitler gave “consideration to those leaving the holy covenant.” Who were these? Evidently, the leaders of Christendom, who claimed to have a covenant relationship with God but had ceased to be disciples of Jesus Christ. Hitler successfully called on “those leaving the holy covenant” for their support. For example, he made a concordat with the pope in Rome. In 1935, Hitler created the Ministry for Church Affairs. One of his goals was to bring Evangelical churches under state control.
Hitler soon went to war, as the angel had correctly foretold: “There will be arms that will stand up, proceeding from him; and they will actually profane the sanctuary, the fortress, and remove the constant feature.” (Daniel 11:31a) The “arms” were the military forces that the king of the north used in order to fight the king of the south in World War II. On September 1, 1939, Nazi “arms” invaded Poland. Two days later, Britain and France declared war on Germany in order to help Poland. Thus began World War II. Poland collapsed quickly, and soon thereafter, German forces occupied Denmark, Norway, the Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, and France. “At the end of 1941,” says The World Book Encyclopedia, “Nazi Germany dominated the continent.”
Even though Germany and the Soviet Union had signed a Treaty of Friendship, Co-operation, and Demarcation, Hitler proceeded to invade Soviet territory on June 22, 1941. This action brought the Soviet Union to the side of Britain. The Soviet army put up strong resistance despite spectacular early advances of the German forces. On December 6, 1941, the German army actually suffered defeat at Moscow. The following day, Germany’s ally Japan bombed Pearl Harbor, Hawaii. Learning of this, Hitler told his aides: “Now it is impossible for us to lose the war.” On December 11 he rashly declared war on the United States. But he underestimated the strength of both the Soviet Union and the United States. With the Soviet army attacking from the east and British and American forces closing in from the west, the tide soon turned against Hitler. German forces began losing territory after territory. Following Hitler’s suicide, Germany surrendered to the Allies, on May 7, 1945.
“They [Nazi arms] will actually profane the sanctuary, the fortress, and remove the constant feature,” said the angel. In ancient Judah the sanctuary was part of the temple in Jerusalem. However, when the Jews rejected Jesus, Jehovah rejected them and their temple. (Matthew 23:37–24:2) Since the first century C.E., Jehovah’s temple has actually been a spiritual one, with its holy of holies in the heavens and with a spiritual courtyard on earth, in which the anointed brothers of Jesus, the High Priest, serve. From the 1930’s onward, the “great crowd” have worshiped in association with the anointed remnant and are therefore said to serve ‘in God’s temple.’ (Revelation 7:9, 15; 11:1, 2; Hebrews 9:11, 12, 24) In lands under his control, the king of the north profaned the earthly courtyard of the temple by relentlessly persecuting the anointed remnant and their companions. So severe was the persecution that “the constant feature”—the public sacrifice of praise to Jehovah’s name—was removed. (Hebrews 13:15) Despite horrible suffering, however, faithful anointed Christians together with the “other sheep” kept on preaching during World War II.—John 10:16.
When the end of the second world war was in sight, another development occurred, just as God’s angel had foretold. “They will certainly put in place the disgusting thing that is causing desolation.” (Daniel 11:31b) Jesus had also spoken of “the disgusting thing.” In the first century, it proved to be the Roman army that came to Jerusalem in 66 C.E. to put down Jewish rebellion. *—Matthew 24:15; Daniel 9:27.
What “disgusting thing” has been “put in place” in modern times? Apparently, it is a “disgusting” counterfeit of God’s Kingdom. This was the League of Nations, the scarlet-colored wild beast that went into the abyss, or ceased to exist as a world-peace organization, when World War II erupted. (Revelation 17:8) “The wild beast,” however, was “to ascend out of the abyss.” This it did when the United Nations, with 50 member nations including the former Soviet Union, was established on October 24, 1945. Thus “the disgusting thing” foretold by the angel—the United Nations—was put in place.
originally posted by: Compendium
a reply to: UncleMikey
You should read my reply on page 2
With your understanding of Genesis I saw in another thread, I am surprised at your response about Revelation in this thread
originally posted by: Deetermined
For decades, I've believed that the Anti-Christ would come out of Turkey and I believe "Gog, the land of Magog" is indeed a reference to Turkey, not Russia like many people believe...
originally posted by: UncleMikey
originally posted by: Deetermined
For decades, I've believed that the Anti-Christ would come out of Turkey and I believe "Gog, the land of Magog" is indeed a reference to Turkey, not Russia like many people believe...
Interesting. There are references to the 'enemy of the North' in the Bible.
Syria is also nearby. Some folks see the Antichrist as a Biblical figure known as 'The Assyrian'.
The Antichrist will be an Assyrian. From the vision of Balaam in Numbers, to Psalm 83, to the prophets Isaiah, Jeremiah, Daniel, Zechariah, and others, the Bible gives one clear message-the Antichrist will be an Assyrian who rules over an Assyrian kingdom. The current trend away from a "Roman Prince" to a "Muslim" Antichrist appears to be based on current news reports and human reasoning, and not on Biblical facts. This book shows from the Holy Scriptures that the Antichrist will be an Assyrian from a revived Assyrian Empire. Recent developments in the Middle East, Syria, Iraq, Turkey, and with the Arab League, the United Nations, and the "Quartet" are all in accord with an Assyrian Antichrist, and this book shows how this will all end.
originally posted by: Compendium
a reply to: UncleMikey
The Microcosm view isn't far off what we are taught in Illumination
More broadly, we are taught it is to do with cycles
Like the 1st (root) note of the octave, which comes around again as the 8th
Which is why people are waiting for Jesus Christ to "come again"
They are waiting for the cycle to start again
originally posted by: Deetermined
Yes, my husband brought that to my attention the other day.
originally posted by: UncleMikey
originally posted by: Compendium
a reply to: UncleMikey
The Microcosm view isn't far off what we are taught in Illumination
More broadly, we are taught it is to do with cycles
Like the 1st (root) note of the octave, which comes around again as the 8th
Which is why people are waiting for Jesus Christ to "come again"
They are waiting for the cycle to start again
We may have some overlap in common here.
I am a Christian that believes the Bible teaches Reincarnation. I interpret each head of the Beast and Dragon as reincarnations of the same individual.
Thus, there are a total of seven reincarnations. However, there is an 'eighth' incarnation that is a bit different. It is more of a 'resurrection'. That is why the eighth is of the seven...
Revelation 17:11
"And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition."
I feel like this may fit your research... "the 8th tone is a return of the 1st."
In other words, the eighth tone is a resurrection of all seven instead of a reincarnation of one. Not sure if that makes sense... lol.
If I plug your research into mine, then that would mean that the final Antichrist is a return of the first on my list. That would be the King of Egypt (Pharoah).