God broke one of the ten commandments and commited one of the seven deadly sins

a reply to: 19Bones79

You seem disappointed, that's all.

Have a Nice Day.

a reply to: Untun

I kinda am.

There's nothing wrong with the idea but the execution is contrived and all too human.

It's just as well Eve ate that apple - otherwise we'd not be having this conversation: having no concept of good and evil, right and wrong, and just blindly going along with whatever God tells us like the good, obedient, unquestioning, slave he intended us to be*


* well, according to the Bible, anyway

a reply to: AndyMayhew

Is it? Now that we all judge good and evil for ourselves and have decided it's all relative anyway, so you really can't judge ... How many of you same folks who have your knickers in a twist over this old story are all-in with either Ukraine or Russia despite what it means to the average soldier on either side when you have no stakes, not really? How many of you turn away from horrific cultural practices in other places saying it's not right for you, but who are to judge them which, of course, implies those things are acceptable to you so long as your hands aren't directly dirty.

And yet you all sit here smugly Monday morning quarterbacking God, likely because you reject Him, and you need the sense of moral superiority it brings.

I wish you well of your folly.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: AndyMayhew

Is it? Now that we all judge good and evil for ourselves and have decided it's all relative anyway, so you really can't judge ... How many of you same folks who have your knickers in a twist over this old story are all-in with either Ukraine or Russia despite what it means to the average soldier on either side when you have no stakes, not really? How many of you turn away from horrific cultural practices in other places saying it's not right for you, but who are to judge them which, of course, implies those things are acceptable to you so long as your hands aren't directly dirty.

And yet you all sit here smugly Monday morning quarterbacking God, likely because you reject Him, and you need the sense of moral superiority it brings.

I wish you well of your folly.

I think most of us here are not rejecting God per se, rather rejecting what is written (by man?) and perhaps incorrectly translated in scripture telling us what God's word is. As well as the contradictions aplenty that most blind faith believers just want to skirt over.

I love that you mentioned the reason God had to destroy the world with a flood was because of the tainted human DNA caused by the Watchers/Sons of God mating with human women and creating the Nephilim/Giants.
Also, the Watchers/Sons of God sinned against animals. This would explain many of the cryptid creature stories throughout history.
a reply to: Whatchful

originally posted by: 19Bones79
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You feeling the glory yet faulty humans?

Like I said.


A crude caricature of what a Supreme Being could be when we limit the constraints of our imagination.


Worst example of perfection, ever.

You know what this shows? It shows that YOU and those like you actually think you would be a better god because you want to put on God YOUR own restrains and YOUR own visions.

But i hate to break this to you, but you are simply a human being and nothing more. Your mind, my mind, and every human's mind is finite, we can't see everything and can't be everywhere at once like God/Elohim can, and God/Elohim knows better than every one of us what we all need and what is necessary.

People like you tend to blame God/Elohim for the evils done by men and women. When God/Elohim gave us free will and stated he would not involve himself in the affairs of men/women until the last days and the return of Jesus Christ. Men/women thought that we would be better if we controlled our own destinies. Has it really been better? But even when God/Elohim knew that instead of everything being better that giving us free will will cause more problems God/Elohim still gave us that chance.

Neither you, I nor anyone here, nor anyone of the over 7 billion people on this planet can know what God/Elohim knows. But you have to be humble to actually understand that neither you, I nor anyone else has all the answers, only God/Elohim does.

a reply to: mytquin

That's what God/Elohim has told us through his visionaries and through Jesus' disciples who wrote what they saw and experienced what God/Elohim is allowing us to know. I could be wrong. But there are things in the Old Testament in Hebrew/aka the Torah that for some reason or another is not in the bible. Like the fact that Eve was not the first woman, Lilith was. Or the fact that Eve sinned in laying with the devil/the serpent which made her seed the seed of the serpent and which to this day there are humans who are direct descendants of the serpent/the devil.

In the Old Testament to know someone was a way of saying that those people had sex with each other, and in this same way "the knowledge" that the Old Testament says caused Adam and Eve to sin was carnal knowledge. Including Eve laying with the serpent and having children of the serpent/the devil.

originally posted by: AndyMayhew
It's just as well Eve ate that apple - otherwise we'd not be having this conversation: having no concept of good and evil, right and wrong, and just blindly going along with whatever God tells us like the good, obedient, unquestioning, slave he intended us to be*

* well, according to the Bible, anyway

The problem is that you believe the knowledge that caused the original sin is book knowledge when that knowledge is "carnal knowledge" and Eve laying with the devil/the serpent.

Before they sinned Adam and Eve were nude and they were as innocent as children, but when they understood they were naked and they knew carnal knowledge for the sake of it, and with Eve laying with the devil as well, it caused them to sin.

Knowledge in the Old Testament is not just book knowledge, it can and does refer to carnal knowledge as well depending on the context of the section of the Torah/bible that you are reading.

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And He made for Adam and for his wife shirts of skin, and He dressed them.” But it teaches you as a result of what plan the serpent thrust himself upon them. He saw them naked and engaging in intercourse before everyone’s eyes, and he desired her. — (from Gen. Rabbah 18:6)
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www.chabad.org...

originally posted by: AndyMayhew
It's just as well Eve ate that apple - otherwise we'd not be having this conversation: having no concept of good and evil, right and wrong, and just blindly going along with whatever God tells us like the good, obedient, unquestioning, slave he intended us to be*

* well, according to the Bible, anyway

Really? Would you say your parents are keeping you as a slave when they gave/give you chores and restrains as a growing child and growing teenager?

Yeah, I know that left-wingers these days do think so and with the help of "democrat lawmakers" left-wingers want to destroy parental rights so that kids/children can be used as sexual objects by the left... But in reality good parents are not slavers and God/Elohim is neither an slaver but like regular parents God/Elohim knows what's best for his children.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

All I'm saying is this amazing God of yours, who can do anything, and wiped out 2 cities for debauchery, had the people he saved committed incest instead of finding husbands in a nearby town.

Do you see how stupid that sounds?

For those that do not understand this this is what The Book of Enoch says.

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CHAPTER XII.

1. Before these things Enoch was hidden, and no one of the children of men knew where he was hidden, and where he abode, and what had become of him. 2. And his activities had to do with the Watchers, and his days were with the holy ones.

3. And I, Enoch was blessing the Lord of majesty and the King of the ages, and lo! the Watchers called me--Enoch the scribe--and said to me: 4. 'Enoch, thou scribe of righteousness, go, †declare† to the Watchers of the heaven who have left the high heaven, the holy eternal place, and have defiled themselves with women, and have done as the children of earth do, and have taken unto themselves wives: "Ye have wrought great destruction on the earth: 5. And ye shall have no peace nor forgiveness of sin: and inasmuch as †they† delight themselves in †their† children, 6. The murder of †their† beloved ones shall †they† see, and over the destruction of †their† children shall †they† lament, and shall make supplication unto eternity, but mercy and peace shall ye not attain."'

www.sacred-texts.com...

The destruction by the Deluge Elohim/God brought upon the world was because the "watchers/angels" that left heaven and came to Earth took human women as wives and bore them children. Children that were half divine and half human and were capable of great evil and great power. The book of Enoch also states the Nephilim, these half divine and half human children, were cannibals.

originally posted by: 19Bones79

All I'm saying is this amazing God of yours, who can do anything, and wiped out 2 cities for debauchery, had the people he saved committed incest instead of finding husbands in a nearby town.

Do you see how stupid that sounds?

Lot asked God/Elohim to save his family. Lot's daughters were as sinful as the rest of the city and they were to marry men that were of the city. Lot allowed his own daughters to become as sinful as the rest of the town, and it was Lot's daughters who made him drunk and literally raped their own father to have children. The men that were to become their husbands were in the crowd that wanted to rape the angels/God's messengers.

God/Elohim gave Lot what he asked of God/Elohim and Lot realized his mistake too late. Even his daughters had become as evil as the rest of the town, and same for his wife.

What did the wife of Lot was looking for that she looked behind? a town known for it's debauchery and evil. She was also turned into a pillar of salt because she still wanted something she left behind, perhaps a lover or several or some other even darker secret?

originally posted by: 19Bones79
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

All I'm saying is this amazing God of yours, who can do anything, and wiped out 2 cities for debauchery, had the people he saved committed incest instead of finding husbands in a nearby town.

Do you see how stupid that sounds?

BTW, whether you know it or not God/Elohim is your God as well. You might as well claim that you are not part of the multiverse.

If you don't believe in God, and you don't believe in evil then tell us why is it that most of the world's leaders are trying to defy God and so openly embrace evil?

Davos himself has stated openly to defy God's creation. Why are these leaders, even most if not all of democrat leaders, embracing evil so openly? They are embracing not just evil but the devil himself. They allow satanists to pray for satan while starting official proceedings but ban Christians praying or openly talking of the evil of abortion. They openly claim that God's human creation, men and women, are not real. That there are more genders and you can be whatever you want.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

For those that do not understand this this is what The Book of Enoch says.

Did Lot offer his daughters to be eaten or to be raped?

You're attributing elements to a story from a book that was not and has never been considered to be included in the Bible.

I think it's in the book of Thomas where Jesus(while still a child) kills another child just for kicks.

Wanna talk about that?

Rescinded as not belonging here and I will author my own thread.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Lot's daughters were as sinful as the rest of the city

Then a consistent God should've hurled fireballs at them because now it's simply downgraded to a tale of favoritism.

What did the wife of Lot was looking for that she looked behind? a town known for it's debauchery and evil. She was also turned into a pillar of salt because she still wanted something she left behind, perhaps a lover or several or some other even darker secret?

Speculation on behalf of your part in order to do what?

Justify your God's barbaric behavior?


Why the need to try and soften the circumstances by adding pure fantasy on top of pure fantasy?

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

If you don't believe in God, and you don't believe in evil then tell us why is it that most of the world's leaders are trying to defy God and so openly embrace evil?

Are they trying too defy your God or are they following a script linear to religion meant for the elite to control the masses?

One set of beliefs for you to keep you in line as a peon.

Another set of beliefs for them to move around the chess board every which way they choose.

The game is rigged from the start and that's why they find it so easy to do what they want.

But in order for they're game to be effective, you have to believe in your religion in a perfectly predictable way so they know in advance how the masses would react.

And the masses are saying this is what God has predicted the end times MUST be near.

So the bad guys in charge get to carry on Carte Blanche and the believers feel they are witnessing something terrible yet significant and exciting.


You have been boxed in psychologically as well as spiritually and humanity's lack of a response to all the bad things happening is very telling that their mind control through your beliefs are working.

Barbaric or not, justice is justice. There's a God with a set of rules to base your life on. To get some heat you need to burn some coal.

a reply to: wrayth
Murder, BIblically speaking, is the act of stealing a life which belongs to God by definition.

If a man owns an orchard, he is entitled to eat the fruit without being accused of stealing from himself.

So all these ingenious "God is a murderer" arguments are on a false basis. Technically, every death, including the natural ones, is God taking back his own property.