God broke one of the ten commandments and commited one of the seven deadly sins

originally posted by: 19Bones79
a reply to: quintessentone



Ah but ones such as ourselves are ill equiped not being filled with the holy spirit in fact reading this text through secular eyes could in fact be downright dangerous.

I know, now theologians are calling on colleagues to stop debating/discussing scripture at all. It looks bad.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Sookiechacha

Spoken as someone without faith. Death is only the beginning.

LOL....Right,
God is concerned the most, according to you, about punishing people for having non-reproductive sex but has a history of letting pregnancy itself be the cause of the most deaths among women, pre-modern medicine, because "death is only the beginning".

a reply to: quintessentone

In other words: No. I do not the chapter or verse, and if I do, it would poke holes in my argument to have them revealed.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Look how much trouble comes from being solely concerned about getting your rocks off. Sex can be a wonderful and creative force, but it's also dark and destructive.

But, hey, continue to believe that nothing bad ever comes of sleeping around.

And as for death being the beginning, explain what it means to be in the world but not of it. What are salvation and faith for if the only thing that matters is earthy material life?

And finally, if sex was so dangerous in those days, it was probably at least one very good argument against Sodom and Gomorrah, the two rapey towns.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: quintessentone

In other words: No. I do not the chapter or verse, and if I do, it would poke holes in my argument to have them revealed.

Nope, I will respond context with context when provided.

a reply to: quintessentone

I was right



Context IS everything. Make a study of what Paul is actually talking about before you pull a verse out of context. God's will and Christ's message are very much salvation and you resemble Paul's warning.

a reply to: 19Bones79

I did post the verse where it says God saw all flesh corrupting His ways. It gives me the idea you base your discussions on things you fail to read. What a hassle it is having to have discussions where I need to point out what I said with every post I make to people who are wasting my time anyhow.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: quintessentone

I was right

Context IS everything. Make a study of what Paul is actually talking about before you pull a verse out of context. God's will and Christ's message are very much salvation and you resemble Paul's warning.

There are many passages where God's will was not only known but was taught to others.

www.desiringgod.org...

But then, on the other hand, nobody really knows God's will/purpose now do they?

originally posted by: 19Bones79
a reply to: Deetermined

It was to preserve the family bloodline.

That makes no sense. There was a town full of men who apparently weren't good enough for a family about to commit incest?

In those days, and specifically with the Jews, all honor went to the firstborn males, so genealogy and bloodlines were most likely recorded and organized by the males. As you can tell by Lot offering up his daughters to the depraved, daughters were not held in such high regard. In fact, the Jews held the firstborn males in such high regard, that God usually used the second born son to carry out His plans and His will.

a reply to: ketsuko

Look. you were the one marveling at how concerned your God was over non-procreational sex that you believe he destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, killing everyone that lived there over it. Yet you fail to acknowledge that pregnancy, caused by traditional and sanctioned procreational sex among married couples, was the leading cause of death among women pre-modern medicine.

So, I guess that means that your God is MORE concerned about killing married pregnant woman and their fetuses, universally, than he is about universally killing fornicators and homosexuals. But hey, death is only the beginning.

originally posted by: 19Bones79
a reply to: LABTECH767

unlike us he is fit to wield power and does not kill HIS children without just cause and

This is what I don't get.


Surely there were pregnant women in Noah's time just before the flood.

He basically aborted every unborn child, every child born hours before the flood were drowned.


You're telling me there were no good people on the whole planet?


If you've ever traveled extensively you would realize that that is an impossible lie and that you will find amazing people in every country on earth, no matter how bad the situation or how terrible the dominating belief.

Why aren't believers exercising good judgment when they choose their avenue of spirituality.


The Jewish God is one of the most primitively contradictory set of ideals ever conceived and it is not even subtle it's right there in your face.

Imagine the collective terror all the people, and animals, felt before they met their watery death.

As far as animal cruelty goes, this mediocre God does not give 2 cents.


The Bible would've been a Monty Python encyclopedia of the spiritually absurd if it weren't for all the tragic atrocities committed through the millenia it has inspired and used as justification.

Look I know how you feel the world is full of atrocity and sometimes we all blame God but it really is not him, the promise of the covenant that the Israelites broke time and again was one their side a set of rules to establish them as a nation with a basis for laws and to ensure a fair a prosperous society, one in which the elderly were NOT abandoned and shoved into old folk's homes or killed off by children after an early inheritance but one in which generation after generation would live longer and by that the traditions and values would be handed down correctly as well but on God's side one in which he promised if THEY did as he asked he would stay with them and make them prosper and save them.

Jesus came both to exile them for a time since they once again were breaking the covenant and even worse denied him and also to save others since God is actually the God of everyone even if they refuse to accept him and go off and worship a stone willy in a bowl over in India.

So the great flood, horrible but by all accounts the world was far worse than it is today.

Also the bible say's this "There is nothing new under the sun, everything that has been will be and everything that will be has already been".

Abandoning God which turning on him brings about will only end up destroying society and the human race, God is the moral shepherd, the watching eye that is beyond human control and the ultimate judge, his laws are the finest basis for a stable and prosperous society one founded in traditions, respect for elders, neighbours and the unfortunate and one in which fairness is cherished and unfairness and exploitation are frowned upon.

It is because his Laws are inconvenient to internationalists and Organ harvesting and selling capitalists that they are being ignored and marginalised in today's society.

Also how are any of us fit to try to judge God, we were not there, we did not see the horrors or the depravity's of that age though we know of today's all to well, we did not see God's vision of the future that caused him to decide to intervene and purge the gene pool corrupted by cross breeding with non human beings, we did not see his anger with a race that tried to destroy and replace his children on the world HE made with his own hand's for His children and we can never understand his pain, rage and anger or perhaps know the fate of those that committed these crimes.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Keep on twisting ... If God was so concerned about that, overpopulation wouldn't be a problem and we never would have survived to make it such.

a reply to: TzarChasm

Tell that to the 120 millions plus civilians, not counting deaths of soldiers in battle, murdered by atheism in just 100 years. Add to that the millions your atheists have put in gulags, prisons and concentration camps.

Plus, you atheists tend to think too highly of yourselves, which is why you can't admit that there is a higher intelligence than your own in the multiverse.

You should get off that high horse, more intelligent men than you or I, Einstein and Michu Kaku both stated God does exists. They just differ as to in which kind of God Elohim is.

originally posted by: wrayth
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and the next one does not need scripture, if you read about the great flood, you know god almost committed genocide of the entire human race.

I'm a Christian, but these two acts really disturb me. god is supposed to be without sin, yet these things happened.

i guess i can say my faith in god is waning.

how can I get behind a god who commits the same things that would send a mortal man to hell?

how can god commit a sin, if he hates sin?
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First of all, you are confusing a god you are making with God/Elohim.

Second of all, the people in Sodom and Gomorrah partook in the most despicable sins, including raping children which the left/democrats these days want to make legal once again. When the two angels were sent to speak with Lot the entire people of the city wanted to rape the two strange men who were angels...

As for the flood, back then again most men/women were partaking in sin in the worse ways possible, but the worse sin of all was that "the Nephilim saw human women as beautiful and took them as wives and from them came the giants of old who partook in cannibalism."

I made a thread about what it seems that the old bible in Hebrew actually seems to point what was the original sin in the following thread.

The Original Sin was the Mix between Human DNA and the DNA of the Fallen Angels.

Just because you don't understand God's reasons it doesn't mean he committed sin.

Not to mention the fact that the commandment states "you shall not MURDER." Too many people falsely believe the commandment states "you shall not kill", when that's not the real commandment.

By Rabbi Marc Gellman & Msgr. Thomas Hartman
South Florida Sun-Sentinel
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Mar 16, 2007 at 12:00 am
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Q. I read your opinion that the commandment "Thou shalt not kill" really is mistranslated and actually means, "Thou shalt not murder." Isn't the Hebrew a translation of Aramaic, or even a Greek version of the Bible? And was the meaning of the Hebrew in the early centuries of the Christian Era the same as the meaning that we now attribute to the word "murder"? -- D., Issaquah, Wash.

A. Hebrew came before Aramaic (the language Jesus spoke) and before Greek. The Hebrew word for killing is harag, and the Hebrew word for murder is ratzach. The commandment is lo tirtach, and its meaning is clear: "Thou shalt not murder."
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Thou shalt not murder

I have given in the past a direct link to how that Commandment is written in old Hebrew and it clearly states "MURDER", not killing as a sin.

God/Elohim chose Moses even after Moses had to kill an Egyptian guard who was about to murder a Jewish slave. Defending yourself, or defending an innocent human and having to kill an aggressor is not seen as sin anywhere in the bible. Self-defense is okay in God's mind as per the bible but murder is not okay.

Even Jesus was okay with self-defense as he told his disciples if they didn't have a sword to sell their capes and buy a sword. Jesus knew he was sending his disciples through roads full of bandits and Jesus wanted his disciples to defend themselves against robbers.

Murdering unborn humans for any reason for example is a major sin. Murdering innocent people is also a major sin. But killing someone in self-defense is not considered a sin by God/Elohim or even by Jesus himself. BTW, there is a major difference in Jesus telling his disciples to be willing to die for their Christian faith and allowing robbers, or murderers just to murder them for any other reason.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Sookiechacha

Keep on twisting ... If God was so concerned about that, overpopulation wouldn't be a problem and we never would have survived to make it such.

LOL
You're the one twisting in the wind. You're the one awestruck by a God that would kill the citizens of Sodom and Gomorrah for having too much recreational, non-procreative sex. But you're ignoring the fact that PREGNANCY was the number 1 killer of women, ALL WOMEN, then, and up until modern medicine intervened, just a few decades ago. Obviously, your God is NOT more concerned about recreational, non-procreative sex than he is about killing otherwise healthy women who happen to have gotten pregnant by their husbands.

a reply to: ketsuko

Sex is death. See now it makes sense when you say death is the beginning.

a reply to: ketsuko

I don't believe God caused the "flood." I'm pretty sure it was literally caused by over population, which put too much CO2 pressure on Heaven, cracking it, and letting in the "waters" from the Sun and Moon.

a reply to: ketsuko

Lol.

Minus one player for the pink team.


Oh well.

She had it coming amirite?

a reply to: Untun

All flesh corrupting his ways?

So everyone's a sinner.

Just like always.

Just like now.

But then... then.. Oh boy..

A little thunder.

A little lightning.

You feeling the glory yet faulty humans?

Like I said.


A crude caricature of what a Supreme Being could be when we limit the constraints of our imagination.


Worst example of perfection, ever.

a reply to: LABTECH767

So the great flood, horrible but by all accounts the world was far worse than it is today.

Also the bible say's this "There is nothing new under the sun, everything that has been will be and everything that will be has already been".

Do you see the contradiction right there?

And what could they have possibly done in those days that is worse than what happens today every day albeit on a larger scale with more humans involved?