What would America look like if American Slavery never existed?

originally posted by: game over man

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: game over man

You know the colonists stole the idea of democracy from east coast tribes?

Oh goodie
Please oh please explain how the east coast tribes invented democracy?

Easily one of the best posts ever here.

Oh goodie? Please oh please? Are you that much of a racist? You could have googled it yourself.

Here you go, Link

Lol
One tribe one vote protectionist confederacy is hardly stolen to become what the founding fathers put forth.
Nothing was stolen, and hardly your described savage "democracy".

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: game over man

Sacajawea was kidnapped and enslaved by a raiding party when she was 12. But I am sure she was unique.

Lol
Product of claimed "democracy "?
Lol

originally posted by: SprocketUK
For one thing, would there have been a civil war?
The economic mismatch between the Slave owning states in the south and the manufacturing states in the North was one of the main drivers, wasn't it?

So, I doubt Lincoln would have been such a big noise.

probly no Republican Party as we know it.
would have evolved into conservative and liberal parties, one of them Democrat. other might have been Whig, Tory, Labor, Socialist, Nationalist. we'll never know.

Btw, here is the link.

Sure, it's Wiki, but wiki says that the Natives of the Pacific Northwest were known for being slave traders.

Many of the indigenous peoples of the Pacific Northwest Coast, such as the Haida and Tlingit, were traditionally known as fierce warriors and slave-traders, raiding as far as California.[13][14][15] Slavery was hereditary, the slaves being prisoners of war. Their targets often included members of the Coast Salish groups. Among some tribes about a quarter of the population were slaves.[16][17] One slave narrative was composed by an Englishman, John R. Jewitt, who had been taken alive when his ship was captured in 1802; his memoir provides a detailed look at life as a slave, and asserts that a large number were held.

Other slave-owning societies and tribes of the New World included the Tehuelche of Patagonia, the Kalinago of Dominica, the Tupinambá of Brazil, and the Pawnee of the Great Plains

The Pawnee also have dirty hands.

And we can't let this go without talking about the Aztecs. It's not like they lived in a vacuum and had zero affect on every other culture.

If the poster I am putting this up for thinks that slavery spontaneously happened because ... white folks! Then it was equally likely to spontaneously crop up because ... Aztecs!

And, as ugly as this sounds, slavery is a logical progression from the idea of raiding/warring and taking captives. Unless you mean to kill them, you have to do something with them, so living in a subsistence society like tribal cultures often do, what better way to deal with captives than to make them forced labor ... slaves? This would explain why slavery is as common to the human condition around the world as war is.

With these "if" arguments, my German grandpa (he passed in the late 1990's) always had his retort: "Haett de Hund nett geschiss haet er de Hass gefang" (in the Saar dialect of German he actually spoke).

It means: "If the dog never took a dump, he would have caught the rabbit".

In other words, I suppose, whatever happened - it simply did.

originally posted by: AssiduousSpook
Would America been able to become the super power it is if it was not for the enslavement of other human beings?

Yes.

The vast majority of the US power growth was due to foreign investment. That investment was for access to US resources, not human capital. This led to the US being the premier economic power in 1920. That lead was extended during and post WW2.

Regardless of the meatbags on the surface, the US had the right access to the right resources at the precise moment required for dominance.

The US had slavery long after the civil war.

Share croppers were slaves in fact.
So where company towns where workers were paid in company scrip.

a reply to: ANNED
Never mind the prison system in parts of the US.

In regions totally a continuation of slave labor, with none of the paternalism and at least superficial "welfare" that accompanied historical US slavery.

Bit of weed?
Yeah right into the swamps with chains, until you look like a skeleton (something slave-owners at least abhorred, and it wasn't good for business).

Now we can really drive you to death with the approval of the Justice system!