The progressive lose-lose agenda ...

It occurs to me that the left - progressives, liberals, democrats, whatever you want to call them - have established what I call a lose-lose scenario. I don't think that they really care too much how this entire election thing turns out. Clearly, they'd rather take the White House by hook or by crook, and they'll fight tooth and nail to do that, but there's clearly a back-up plan.

If they do take the White House, if they do get past the legal challenges and manage to smooth over the fraud and cheating, we all loose. We loose because we'll have a Marxist (Harris) in the seat of the President. We lose because all faith in our system of government will have been destroyed. We lose because ... well, we just lose.

If they do not take the White House, they have primed their plebes, their sycophants, to react violently to losing to the extent that there may be such socio-political turmoil as to shut down the country and the government and eventually force the hand of those in power to implement measures that the left will then call totalitarian and dictatorial. In other words, one way or another they will get what they want; a strong-arm government that will crack down on liberties and implement excessive measures of control. Whether it's by Jao Bai Den issuing an edict from the oval office that puts the country under total house arrest, or whether it's by Donald Trump being forced to implement marital law in order to stop the chaos.

Either way, we all lose. This is what they want.

I have said for ages that they are operating on a total scorched earth policy. They rather burn it all down than lose. If they do lose the election process, the President will be pissed and he will go with a blood vengeance after any and everyone who has betrayed him and the nation. Their corruption runs so deep that they cannot allow that to happen. If they go down, it all goes down - as far as they are concerned.

I think that this is where we are. The difficulty lies in the fact that those of us of a conservative bent tend to still respect things like rule of law, social stability, respect for others and others' property. We are up against a foe that has no regard for any of that; for them nothing is off the table.

I keep going back to a verse from the Apocalypse (Revelation of John), 9:11 -

And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

The names - Abaddon and Apollyon - signify chaos and destruction. This is the philosophy, the god of this philosophy, this worldview. Because this is what we are up against; not a political movement, not a socio-political ideology, but a philosophy of existence and a worldview. It is essentially nihilistic. This means that it leaves no room for reason, that it destroys every point of reference, every foundation, leaving its adherents like ships adrift on a stormy, cloud-covered ocean with no lodestar, no sextant, no compass, no direction, no anchor, nothing but a ship adrift on an endless, wind-driven and wave-tossed sea that is ultimately surrounded by shoals and reefs upon which they will eventually run aground, precipitation a massive and deadly shipwreck.

Problem is, they want us all aboard the same damned ship with them.
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a reply to: incoserv

If Biden wins, the year 2021 is going to say, "Hold my beer" and be worse than 2020.

The shutdowns will decimate our entire economy.

Permanently.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: incoserv

If Biden wins, the year 2021 is going to say, "Hold my beer" and be worse than 2020.

The shutdowns will decimate our entire economy.

Permanently.

And that, my friend, is the whole point.

(BTW, I never say, "If Bai Den wins," because he will never win. He may end up being inaugurated if enough of the system is corrupt, but he will ever win. My mama always told me, CHEATERS NEVER WIN!
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a reply to: incoserv

If he does end up slipping his greasy lazy @ss through the cracks he's going to end up being a lame duck. Nobody but the left will listen to him, and he's going to have a hard time passing anything.

originally posted by: Rekrul
a reply to: incoserv

If he does end up slipping his greasy lazy @ss through the cracks he's going to end up being a lame duck. Nobody but the left will listen to him, and he's going to have a hard time passing anything.

I think that you are wrong on that. He won't be a "lame duck;" he'll be a dead duck.

They will get rid of him within a year at the outside, six months maybe. He'll either be declared incompetent or he'll mysteriously die. I think they'll off him, myself. To have him declared incompetent would be create too much political backlash. If he were to "die," they have the sympathy of a mourning nation to ride on; "Don't speak ill of the dead" and all that other hogwash.

So, no, no "lame duck Jao Bai Den." It'll definitely be dead duck Jao Bai Den.

I'd like to point out two things. First, the average democrat, leftie, "progressive", anti-Trump person, isn't an evil entity. They just aren't on the same thought wave as others are. And that's imperative that it remains that way. Having duality MUST exist for balance. They aren't the enemy. They are our brothers and sisters. I hope everyone can try to remember that, regardless of this single outcome.

Second,
none of this is the end. I do believe that this has been a long time in the making, and it's coming to a head. The enemy (the true one) isn't hiding anymore. They are in plain site. They are the MSM, the media, the pundits, the news makers. they aren't nearly smart enough to mastermind this, but the are the outward face of this movement. So they are where the war must start. And I don't men pew, pew war, I mean bring a new battleground and not invite the dickheads. More on that later. Stringing along your audience is key to success.

Your being paranoid like always. America is not just a president, its millions of people, most of whom aren't anywhere near Marxist. The left itself isn't Marxist. Did you not see the leaked video of where the liberal/moderate Dems were pissed because the progessive/far left Dems had cost them part of the house because of their socialist policies?
Americans are not going down without a fight and Antifa is nothing compared to real Americans when they get mad.

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originally posted by: network dude
I'd like to point out two things. First, the average democrat, leftie, "progressive", anti-Trump person, isn't an evil entity. They just aren't on the same thought wave as others are. And that's imperative that it remains that way. Having duality MUST exist for balance. They aren't the enemy. They are our brothers and sisters. I hope everyone can try to remember that, regardless of this single outcome.

Second,
none of this is the end. I do believe that this has been a long time in the making, and it's coming to a head. The enemy (the true one) isn't hiding anymore. They are in plain site. They are the MSM, the media, the pundits, the news makers. they aren't nearly smart enough to mastermind this, but the are the outward face of this movement. So they are where the war must start. And I don't men pew, pew war, I mean bring a new battleground and not invite the dickheads. More on that later. Stringing along your audience is key to success.

I agree with your first premise, but the same can be said about the "average" German citizen in November 1938, my friend. I am friends with an elderly lady who was German citizen and a German war bride, residing now for years in the U.S. She was a youngster when Kristalnacth happened and she's spoken to me of how her parents were horrified at what happened then, how somehow nobody really saw it coming.

The problem is not the individual, it is the collective and controlling philosophy that drives the emovement and, hence, its followers.

I saw one of those humorous de-motivational posters once that said:

"No single raindrop thinks that it is responsible for the flood."

This is exactly what you are saying; no single average leftist believes itself to be responsible for what the movement does.

As to the second point, this is clearly something that has been in the works for along time. As a student of the Bible, I'd say it's been in the works at least since the time of Nimrod on the plains of Shinar. And, no, i'ts certainly not the end, any more than the Third Reich or the Mongol invasion or the fall of the Roman empire were the end. But that is no less cause for concern, for action, or for preparation.
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originally posted by: incoserv
But that is no less cause for concern, for action, or for preparation.
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exactly. it's much more of a call to arms. And again, not the pew pew type, but the stand up and do something kind.
We as those on the right have been complacent and docile way too long. It's very obvious that those in power are all on the same team, and that explains exactly why "the right" has been a do nothing, sit on your hands crowd this whole time.

That needs to change. And it will. You are going to like the way you look. I guarantee it.

They will go so far as to "introduce" a COVID19.1 (a new mink strain) to make a point of authority.

Be aware and be very afraid 🚨

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: incoserv
But that is no less cause for concern, for action, or for preparation.
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exactly. it's much more of a call to arms. And again, not the pew pew type, but the stand up and do something kind.
We as those on the right have been complacent and docile way too long. It's very obvious that those in power are all on the same team, and that explains exactly why "the right" has been a do nothing, sit on your hands crowd this whole time.

That needs to change. And it will. You are going to like the way you look. I guarantee it.

Part of the problem may be that the leadership of "right" has been "in on it," but I think that a bigger part of the problem is what I made reference to in my OP. The typical conservative tends to trust in the system to function as it should and to leave things to rule of law and legal process. The left does not see it that way. As I said, they have not moral or ethical absolutes, no order, no lodestar; theirs is a a "do as every man sees right in his own eyes" perspective. That is hard to fight against when you believe in order and respect an established, universal, transcendent standard of morality, ethics and conduct.

If you abandon your own standards to fight them on their terms, you become like them and they win. If you remain faithful to your own standards, they will use those against you. Not a good scenario and not sure what the proper successful strategy to counter it is.

the dem / left / progressive leadership is VERY leftist / socialist.

as a conservative I feel like I'm in a zombie movie. we are surrounded by the hordes that rise up for every election. we can't kill them, we can't reason with them, we can't convert them. even if we win an election now and then, hold one house of the legislature, they keep attacking, relentlessly. inevitably they'll breach the ramparts, gaining the White House and both parts of Congress. and they'll add states and pack the court etc to gain a permanent working majority.

democrat judges will throw out voting lawsuits. leftist media will crow about the wonderful New State, ridicule critics, and act like everything is wonderful. poverty and urban violence will be ignored.
the inevitable economic problems will be blamed on Republican holdovers and the greedy non-woke rich, who will be targeted for special attention.

I suspect a bunch of folks like Limbaugh will sneak out to prepared safe places in the Caribbean.

they want to bring about major changes in the US government and I don't think we can stop them.

Trump winning in 2016 gained us a reprieve. holding the Senate (and the SCOTUS) is huge; but the hordes are still out there and I wonder how long we can hold them back.

maybe I'm too pessimistic.

a reply to: xuenchen
Americans voted for Joe Biden because they want to get rid of millions of energy-sector jobs and replace those jobs with "coders" and jobs in "the women's section of department stores". (Two of Joe's favorite jobs)

You all forget the main scenario if the Dems get in. The military. sounds silly don't it. Think on this, at the moment the US have only small forces around the globe. The Dems absolutely love war with a vengeance, war= money= controlling other countries.
All those boots just kicking dust. Once they are installed new enemies WILL emerge that will dictate that the US has to "defend" itself. Once more US troops will be risking life and limb to expand their agenda in countries they have no business being. Eerr, eerr, "defending" the US.

originally posted by: incoserv


If you abandon your own standards to fight them on their terms, you become like them and they win. If you remain faithful to your own standards, they will use those against you. Not a good scenario and not sure what the proper successful strategy to counter it is.

never forget that part.

Remember "grass roots" campaigns? Know how they start? Small. In a bunch of places. Then they start to take off. When that happens, it's the dangerous time. that's when a good amount of momentum can be stopped by infiltrators. Like with the Tea Party. A good idea at it's inception, but taken over by tea baggers.

We need to get two messages across. First and foremost, the MSM is our enemy. They have the real enemy's best interests at heart. NOT OURS.

Second, we need term limits. That part will be so unpopular among the law makers, I'm not sure at this point how to get it moving. But I know that enough AMERICANS want that, and examples of why it's needed are so plentiful, it's scary.

I'm hoping to find others in other areas of like mind to push this. It's already started here. And the second part is bi-partisian among non politicians.

a reply to: carewemust

Don't forget we also want to lead the world in the most useless job sectors such as gender studies, and interrogating masculinity.

originally posted by: incoserv
If they do take the White House, if they do get past the legal challenges and manage to smooth over the fraud and cheating, we all loose. We loose because we'll have a Marxist (Harris) in the seat of the President. We lose because all faith in our system of government will have been destroyed. We lose because ... well, we just lose.

We are not sure how much fraud has gone on, so hopefully that gets worked out, but in the end if Biden is President come Jan 20, so be it. I don't think Biden will win by fraud and to have that idea would be the same as the liberals suggesting Hillary lost by Russian collusion. This is not some sport's game here... To think in terms of win/lose is to position yourself exactly like many on the left are living today...Is that what you want?

If they do not take the White House, they have primed their plebes, their sycophants, to react violently to losing to the extent that there may be such socio-political turmoil as to shut down the country and the government and eventually force the hand of those in power to implement measures that the left will then call totalitarian and dictatorial. In other words, one way or another they will get what they want; a strong-arm government that will crack down on liberties and implement excessive measures of control. Whether it's by Jao Bai Den issuing an edict from the oval office that puts the country under total house arrest, or whether it's by Donald Trump being forced to implement marital law in order to stop the chaos.

I don't think the violence will stop as those doing it have used Trump and the liberals as tools, but neither is part of their true purpose to tearing down America and creating their own Chaz that doesn't have neither conservatives or democrats a part of it.

If the Democrats ratchet up the totalitarianism then in 2022 they will lose horribly and then in 2024. I'm banking on it though...but they can not go full retard if the right keeps the Senate, so in the end unless Americans enjoy totalitarianism it will be short lived.

I think that this is where we are. The difficulty lies in the fact that those of us of a conservative bent tend to still respect things like rule of law, social stability, respect for others and others' property. We are up against a foe that has no regard for any of that; for them nothing is off the table.

Is that foe made up of 74 million? 10 million 1 million? If Trump wasn't so bad with his Tweets and some character issues that the media fed like gas on a small fire 24/7 he would of win hands down, so if 74 million voted against Trump much of it is the OMB narrative, so when the orange man is gone they have nothing left to attack but themselves.

They are already doing it in the horrible results they had in the house and senate. The left moderates are freaking out as they won by very small margins and they are blaming this far left ideology that seems to be moving to take over as the majority. So the right lost only one seat in the Senate that was actually an open seat while the left spent maybe half a billion, AND the right took 5 or 6 seats in the House and came damn close to taking the majority there too.

originally posted by: Rekrul
a reply to: carewemust

Don't forget we also want to lead the world in the most useless job sectors such as gender studies, and interrogating masculinity.

While this is comical and true, it's also critical to winning the left over and away from inadvertently pushing for extreme socialism/communism. To my mind, many democratic supporters are unable to thrive in the traditional "dog eat dog" old school patriarchal world and hit a wall. This leaves them vulnerable to talk of all classes being uplifted, all people equal.

I know this because I'm a bisexual female with disabilities and understand where they are coming from but my need for true freedom is much greater than that for token respect. It is extremely hard to get out from under inequality/disadvantage to make use of all that democracy offers the average person. Thus they are angry and vulnerable to socialist thinking. When people can't make it in the world they have nothing to lose and are dangerous.

Can the conservative world embrace these people and offer them something better?

Can they offer to lift them up to where they can be truly equal? (other than on paper, because it looks all hunky dory on paper but the reality is vastly different)

People don't ask for gender inequality, disability etc but still need to be part of a community and they will turn to any that includes them.

We want everyone on our side to fight the true enemy (msm media, fake wars, fake pandemics, those who orchestrate all of it etc.)

a reply to: incoserv

All you have to do is listen to the way progressives speak. They aren't going to negotiate if their message is going to save humanity from global warming and racism sexism homophobia trans right etc.

Theyre the new moral authority and the new church and will eat Biden alive unless he licks their boots.

He's gonna be really ineffective unless he goes full progressive.

originally posted by: igloo

Can the conservative world embrace these people and offer them something better?

I'd say if you can accept two things, then yes.

Can you be happy being just like the rest of us, no better, no worse?
And can you be proud of the country you live in, knowing it's not perfect, but continually working to get better?

If you can say yes to those two things, I can't see why you wouldn't fit in with the rest of us.