Beirut hit by massive explosion wounding several and damaging buildings

a reply to: Raggedyman

Guessing a weapons storage destroyed by Israel

Try using logic .
Never guess.

Why would volatile chemicals, of 'fireworks' for that matter, be stored near water for any amount of time, near a port. Not just concern for reaction of water with chemicals, but potential for seepage/leak to get out into the water. Could it really be negligent long-term storage? Or were large amounts of some explosive material , or munitions,mtransiting through the port.

originally posted by: FlyInTheOintment
a reply to: mzinga

Just shooting the breeze, but do you think that the chemical smoke being dumped into the atmosphere, from the fireworks, may have provided a literal smokescreen that covered the flash of a battlefield nuke, to a point? I've no idea if that's plausible, but it just crossed my mind after reading your reply.

The "flash" from a nuclear weapon cannot be covered by anything.
Neither can the radiation , which detectors on satellites would have detected .

During a live press conference just now, President Trump said his military leaders told him Beirut was attacked.

Just as mentioned in the other thread, it looks like a thermobaric explosion.

(Estimated) Chain of action so far on the info which is around:
Fire (however it started) inside a fireworks storage is out of control, fireworks exploding all over untill a detonation happens, now the heat takes over lighting up sorrounding storages, of which one appearantly stored lots of ammonium nitrate or similar, from the videos it appears that shortly before the big detonation started there was another smaller detonation which probably triggered the now distorted nitrates (and whatever else) to detonate which caused a serious shockwave.

You shall not store explosives next to explosives next to explosives next to your food storage almost inside your city.. I can not explain how this could happened, probably shady deals with terrorists or greedy companies, this accident should never have happened.

Additional: This may cause a serious problem for the people in Lebanon and not only Beirut, they lost a lot of supplies in an instant.

originally posted by: RexKramerPRT
Report here suggests it could have been 2,750 tons of Ammonium Nitrate

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There again, an oxidant like sodium nitrate that does not readily burn but will do so if contaminated with combustible material. Jeez how could they store that at a waterfront when there are so many violating materials that are probably kept there. The chemical industry has symbols for things that are never to be kept near other things.

Heads will roll there if not still rolling from the explosions themselves. It is almost so stupid that an alternative reason being terrorism would make more logical sense.

originally posted by: carewemust
During a live press conference just now, President Trump said his military leaders told him Beirut was attacked.

Here is a short video clip of President Trump making the statement a few moments ago.

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a reply to: carewemust

Wow,
It will be controversial, for sure.

Well that was impressive as all hell.

Fireworks?

haaaaaaaa yeah okay.

originally posted by: charlyv
a reply to: carewemust

Wow,
It will be controversial, for sure.

Even though huge explosions/attacks are not uncommon in certain parts of the world, when they are caught on video like this one was, it's made out to be a much bigger deal.

originally posted by: Lysergic
Fireworks?

haaaaaaaa yeah okay.

Yeah fireworks, but not as you think:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

originally posted by: RudeMarine

originally posted by: FlyInTheOintment
a reply to: mzinga

Just shooting the breeze, but do you think that the chemical smoke being dumped into the atmosphere, from the fireworks, may have provided a literal smokescreen that covered the flash of a battlefield nuke, to a point? I've no idea if that's plausible, but it just crossed my mind after reading your reply.

If it was a nuclear weapon you would not see it on regular cameras. Everything electrical would be toast. People would be running through the streets on fire or just flat vaporized if it was a nuke and those buildings would not be left standing. Definitely not that hotel near by.

A suitcase nuke could have a yield as low as .19 KT. That’s very weak as atomic munitions go. The only thing I have seen with the kind of blast effect as seen in the video other than a nuke, is a fuel air bomb.

On another note, the late Clive Cussler wrote a book (Cyclops) about a ship loaded with amfo ( ammonium nitrate /fuel oil) and using a high explosive device to act as an on command detonator. In the story it was to be blown in Havana Cuba by the evil doers. As usual Dirk Pitt saved the day.

I swear if you play it slow mo you can see a missle drop about 12 seconds in the Twitter video, smoke and fire a distraction

originally posted by: jefwane
a reply to: Bluntone22

I'd love to say I agree with you, but having spent a little time in a couple of Arab countries, doesn't surprise me at all.

That's been my reaction too. I didn't expect all these "who would put fireworks/chemical plants in that location?" comments from ATS. C'mon guys. It's Beirut, not Toronto.

Yeah that was a hell of a blast.
Reminds me of the Pepcon rocket fuel blast from the 80s

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a reply to: Silcone Synapse

their prime minister said it was 2700 TONS!!! of ammonium nitrate


that is the equivalent blast of a small nuke

a reply to: penroc3

The detonation was certainly not as strong as 1MT or even more, it was more like 25-300t tnt (yeah big range, data will take time) .. wait 3 months or more for real numbers.

originally posted by: carewemust
During a live press conference just now, President Trump said his military leaders told him Beirut was attacked.

Trump is just grandstanding at the press conference. He claimed that "Generals" told him that. I call BS. You can see the fireworks exploding before the main explosion. Simply incompetent storage of the likes of ammonium nitrate in proximity to a fireworks factory/storage facility. A fire breaks out in the fireworks area and the rest is inevitable with all that ammonium nitrate in proximity.

See from 1 minute 10 seconds and note the fireworks cooking off before the massive explosion. You can also see the fireworks in the footage immediately after that segment.

Lebanese PM blames ammonium nitrate left ‘unchecked’ in port warehouse for Beirut blast

News Link Metro UK

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: jefwane
a reply to: Bluntone22

I'd love to say I agree with you, but having spent a little time in a couple of Arab countries, doesn't surprise me at all.

That's been my reaction too. I didn't expect all these "who would put fireworks/chemical plants in that location?" comments from ATS. C'mon guys. It's Beirut, not Toronto.

The Port of Beirut (Arabic: مرفأ بيروت‎) is the main port in Lebanon located on the eastern part of the Saint George Bay on Beirut's northern Mediterranean coast, west of the Beirut River. It is one of the largest and busiest ports on the Eastern Mediterranean.

Port Of Beirut receives the largest mother vessels of the shipping lines ... The Container terminal movement at Port of Beirut exceeded one million TEU. ...

This is not just your average Arab shipping port. Is it supposed to be world class because of all the different ships loading and unloading there. It is above stupid to have these kinds of materials in close proximity there, and it is so bad, perhaps it was planned that way and few knew about it.

This was such a violation of maritime ergonomics and safety that if any of the major shippers that frequented the place, knew it was being run like that, they would make it public knowledge and boycotted the place until it was fixed.

It will be interesting to hear the story from the management in charge of the port, if they are still alive.