Article claims Trump Has Sabotaged America’s Coronavirus Response

originally posted by: sine.nomine
So two-years ahead of time, Trump was planning on a Chinese pandemic to hit the shores of America.

God damn, I knew it! That bastard!

The CHINESE are trying to elect Trump!! Wait... is that Russians?? I get confused. Willtell you live in Canada, so why care?

originally posted by: Willtell
TRUMP HAS ALREADY HAMSTRUNG THE U.S.’S CORONAVIRUS RESPONSE

The Cornavirus only infects illegals... THAT BASTARD!! I knew it all along...

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: sine.nomine
So two-years ahead of time, Trump was planning on a Chinese pandemic to hit the shores of America.

God damn, I knew it! That bastard!

The CHINESE are trying to elect Trump!! Wait... is that Russians?? I get confused. Willtell you live in Canada, so why care?

I don't think Canadians have much say-so with how things are run in that country. It's very "Bernie-like" up there. So they gravitate to the fluid and lively USA political forums.

originally posted by: carewemust

I don't think Canadians have much say-so with how things are run in that country. It's very "Bernie-like" up there. So they gravitate to the fluid and lively USA political forums.

The good news is there is 5 miles between each of them so they are good... But then they do use our healthcare and Costco, so maybe that is what Willtell is complaining about.

a reply to: Willtell

I will NOT put this in the mudpit because I think it's vital to be known and discussed without the hyperbolic political fighting.

And then the OP posts half of the replies in the whole thread in all caps screaming with his/her/it's hair on fire about orange man bad.

Hyperbolic much?

We get it... you have finally found something to impeach Trump on, according to Vanity Fair and a few other alt-left media outlets.

All the while ignoring the fact that it is actually being handled.

I gave you a star for the sheer hypocrisy of your OP and a flag for being hyperbolic.

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: myselfaswell
Your government cut pandemic response capability now we're in the middle of a pandemic.

You don't see the logic in discussing this?

Strange

Not my gubment cuz.

How does the headfigure of the Plotters 'respond'
to their latest Plot?

World's really become a STAGE.

a reply to: Willtell

I have news for you sunshine. Obama may have added a czar, who in all practical senses is useless, but aside from the bogus H1N1 scare in 2009-2010 ground level public health funding dropped during the entire two terms under Obama. Bureaucrats don't solve a public health crisis. With all the money wasted on that piss poor and ill-received response under his watch we could have pumped money into public health for years on worthwhile projects.

a reply to: Xtrozero
Maybe someone can explaine to me if congress has allocated the money for the different departments how can someone take that money and cut their budgets. We don't have line item veto's any more?

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Willtell

It's easy to find reasons to be angry when the goal is to find something to be angry about.

There is one source for the article: Laurie Garrett. Laurie Garrett has a history of writing articles predicting pandemic and epidemic doom and gloom. I guess it's hard to keep up that sort of response if one actually looks into the facts.

The Pandemic and All-Hazards Preparedness Act of 2006 was allowed to expire in 2018 by Congress. Donald Trump never had the opportunity to sign the bill, as it died in the Senate. Without funding, it sounds perfectly reasonable to fire (or more properly, lay off) those working in a department that is no longer funded... people expect to be paid. Donald Trump then signed the re-authorization bill, the Pandemic and All-Hazards Preparedness and Advancing Innovation Act of 2019, otherwise known as S.1379, on June 24. 2019. This act re-authorizes the previous bill and actually expands it.

Thus far, there are less than 20 cases of the virus in the United States. There have been no related deaths in the United States that I have heard of. I find it interesting that Ms. Garrett praises China for their efforts to contain the virus; the vast bulk of the cases and almost all the deaths resulting from the virus are in China. The coronavirus kills through pneumonia, and the air pollution in China is quite poor and likely is damaging the lungs of the citizens... leaving them more vulnerable to the virus.

But the guy who signed the re-authorization bill to combat the virus, in a country which has experienced no major outbreak, is at fault of course, while the country which has weakened its citizens and tried to keep the outbreak quiet as long as they could is doing an outstanding job and leading the way in pandemic control.

TheRedneck

This ^^^^^^
You beat me to it.
Good thing I reviewed before posting

Also , the ones cut dealt with the WORLD situation .
That is what the WHO is for.

a reply to: Willtell

I don't think the totality of circumstances is what this article says it is... but I already read ahead and saw Redneck's excellent response regarding the re-authorized pandemic bill, so I won't go into it all again.

But I have to say that while your concern isn't misplaced, necessarily... well... my confidence in government competence is such that I'm not sure government won't do more harm than good anyway. Not under Obama and not under Trump and not under anyone.

In fact, I am far more inclined to think that this is another example of why we should spend far more time and energy teaching people to take better care of their own bodies before they get sick, and how to nurse and nurture their own bodies when they are sick. In any pandemic situation, the more people who can and do take care of themselves, the less people who need to be taken care of by the system so to speak. The less we have to depend on government, the better off we all are.

originally posted by: jadedANDcynical
Hm, these posts show where the federal government has authorized contracts totaling well over 3 million dollars for expenditures related to the coronavirus:

post 1
post 2
post 3
post 4

The last one listed above, is a single contract for over $2.5 million for the following:

Description of Requirement
EMERGENCY RESPONSE SUPPORT SERVICES, (ERSS) FOR LAUNDRY, CUSTODIAL, MEALS AND TRASH SERVICE, ETC., AT BLDG 28, CENTER FOR DOMESTIC PREPAREDNESS (CDP) ANNISTON, AL 36205, IN SUPPORT OF THE CORONAVIRUS EMERGENCY RESPONSE.

It would seem to me that the issue is being addressed. How effectively certainly could be questioned, but to say that there is no response or that the response has been hamstrung is erroneous.

Just to put that in perspective, that’s about the same cost as one of Trumps Mar-A-Lago golf trips.

originally posted by: sine.nomine
So two-years ahead of time, Trump was planning on a Chinese pandemic to hit the shores of America.

God damn, I knew it! That bastard!

Well, was he draining the swamp? Do you think that these experts at the top of their profession were corrupt?

Or, was it that he thought that it would look good for him to appear to be doing something and had no idea that these 'deep' government workers might actually be important to national security?

Of course Trump had no idea that there could be a future potential pandemic.

originally posted by: Willtell
US underprepared for coronavirus due to Trump cuts, say health experts

www.theguardian.com...

US preparedness to deal with the threat of coronavirus has been hampered by the personnel and budget cuts made by the Trump administration over the past three years, according to health experts.
There is no one in the White House tasked specifically to oversee a coordinated government-wide response in the event of a pandemic, since the post of senior director for global health security and biothreats on the national security council (NSC) was eliminated last May.

The office was established in 2016 after the outbreak of the Ebola virus in Africa demonstrated the US government was not set up to move with the speed and decisiveness necessary to react to a really lethal epidemic.
The White House global health “czar” was supposed to coordinate international, national, state and local organisations, public and private, to confront a global epidemic, backed by the direct authority of the president.
After he became national security adviser, John Bolton eliminated the office as part of an NSC reorganisation, as he did not see global health issues as a national security priority.

Just tell me the sense this makes?


They cut taxes for rich corporations and now want to cut programs like this.


Now we need these programs. This pandemic requires a prudent organization not a slapstick, put-me-together idea of cut-government philosophy. This is a nation of 300 million people. A society where we intermingle so we need programs like htis.

I noticed in your article it didnt say EXACTLY HOW his cuts "hampered" the departments response to the threat.

Along with EXACTLY what was cut and a direct correlation.

In fact the only people quoted claiming this in the department were giving AN OPINION due to (again) no correlation of facts.

Just "he cut it and we could not respond"

now what I am asking is why did who was left from the cuts didnt do THEIR PAID JOBS and (like every other company , police dept, fire dept and others ) plan to deal with any threats that come up.

Didnt they have plans worked up in the three years with no major outbreaks?
didnt they get their procedures and resources lined up so IF something happened even short staffed they were ready to go?

seems to me your trying to blame the wrong people and dont want to know ALL THE FACTS.

Like for example what SPECIFICALLY WAS CUT and if it was truly needed and/or it was ineffective.
paying for something ineffective is worse than not having it at all.

sounds like trump cut the "waste and dead wood" out of the dept and those left DIDNT DO THEIR DAMN JOBS.

but you blame trump because it must be his fault right and facts be dammed.


Scrounger

originally posted by: Willtell
I can only deliver the clear open truth. Deliver the message. For those who want to avoid REALITY
so-be-it.

One day it will catch up with you

What clear truth??

Your and the OPINION of your articles writers?

AGAIN exactly what was cut and DIRECT FACT BACKED UP correlation how it made it worse

scrounger

Psst the articles you present as proof DO NOT PROVIDE IT

a reply to: Boadicea

There's several natural antivirals for coronas incl artemesinin , others sweet basil raw garlic turmeric etc . Google is your friend X

Trump did cut ebola funding and overseas aid and in the last year or two the WHO have been asking for American help for the Congo outbreak. Last we heard it was in major cities Remember that , about mid 2019.
Also the previous eg 2015 concerns of mutation and airborne spread. Of ebola . We haven't seen anyone who s actually had Corona yet . There's been seen report of haemoragic fevers ppl dying of the fever , buy also an autopsy report , the first publicially available one from Corona so far has been analysed by an independent yt Dr.

That above could Be something and nothing. Also we had UK cases in Brighton with closed surgery etc but acc to local counsellors on a C4 documentary from 2 weeks ago , the PHE didn't even turn up ? Suppose they didn't need to ? Two weeks later nothing leads on from the original news . C4 even have a specialist claiming corana is spreading and no one's doing anything, 2 weeks ago. Odd gleanings of note.

Thinking in ptb perspectives as both the factcheckers and the respondents to this , what are the likely possible or enlightened responses going to be ? One way of dealing with it assuming it's Corona, would be to let it in , to get it over and done with asap. And that's because the longer it lasts the worse it may be. And behind that is the reasoning that besides govt OR elite continuity programmes eg bunkering etc , military continuity , a system or corporate economic continuity programme must take precedence. There's no point having fresh cake if no one bakes fresh cake for you. It's too much effort. In this way the quicker it's in done and the whole world is past it, the better.

The UK didn't lie they just used three words , serious and imminent threat . The best minds will be working 24 7 on reactive policy . We would sooner see the world in the shape it is now or similar than what mistakes or even treachery or even mass contract abandonment in the face of it might bring and there's as degree of confidence in that sentiment that someone like even Xi understands , it's a rational commonality , if you were in the position of running large sectors of the world.

It's pure speculation of course we all face every next minute blind , ie anything might happen yet.
One could compare to say a tsunami response albeit in slow motion . The word imminent means what it means. Even if this is 12 months tsunami in slow motion all you can really do is hope people know to climb upwards , and watch it come in. You then deal with the resultant mess using what you've got left after the sea has played with it. But it s not water and you want it to leave systems in tact , even if production and supply ( of everything) is at temporary halt . Protracting that halt scenario would be increasingly damaging , eg you're not allowed even to drive in Chinese cities atm . But it is what it has to take to stop this , and hopefully China's report of decreasing caseload is true. The global spread can have no empowered managers except WHO however so you let it in until it's prudent to call a complete halt country by country, and hopefully coordinate that for most of them at the same time , and you halt air travel then by timing it for effect against the problem itself : viral spead. This is just thinking aloud , etc but we can use the positive idea that this is ONLY a virus. We've got a lot more brain cells between us than a virus.

Either way , there's always upsides to everything, watch the videos of empty Chinese cities , the environment is having a welcome rest

If you go by the Bible's vision of the post apocalyptic future , people LL be rarer than hens teeth , the inheritors that is. That's not put for effect or religion or anything , but it's a perspective put long ago which demonstrates this potential scenario is not entirely out of the question either.

People say give up smoking etc but overlay a calming point of view and hope you divine good luck from favourable conduct . Reign in your over carnivorous habits lol . Happy prepping , don't forget the salt and vodka



Love you etc xx

I guess it had to happen, after a month of CORONAVIRUS VS TRUMP for overblown sensationalized saturation threads, we have finally merged the two. Grats OP, you win.

originally posted by: BoscoMoney
I guess it had to happen, after a month of CORONAVIRUS VS TRUMP for overblown sensationalized saturation threads, we have finally merged the two. Grats OP, you win.

it was a mad house last 2 months. They wanted to crap about Trump, but were unwillingly distracted by the epidemic. Smart heads from DNC and MSM got together and realized...they can do both if merged together...somehow. It was rather easy as there is already a well established and disseminated notion that...everything is Trumps fault.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: sine.nomine
So two-years ahead of time, Trump was planning on a Chinese pandemic to hit the shores of America.

God damn, I knew it! That bastard!

Well, was he draining the swamp? Do you think that these experts at the top of their profession were corrupt?

Or, was it that he thought that it would look good for him to appear to be doing something and had no idea that these 'deep' government workers might actually be important to national security?

Of course Trump had no idea that there could be a future potential pandemic.

Swing and a miss. I love how hard you try. Bringing up "the swamp" and deflecting from the topic. Beautiful. Orange man bad though, right?

originally posted by: Bhadhidar
This all highlights the point that it is pure ignorance to attempt government by the principles of business.

Good business demands efficiency.

Good government requires efficacy; which sometimes requires the “inefficiency” of planning and preparedness for the improbable.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH! Well then, what's our excuse? We have zero efficiency in our government at any level and haven't had it forever. The more bureaucracy and the more agencies you add, the less efficiency you have.

Ever dealt with the DMV? That is the very model of efficiency in action, and it gets no better from there.