Elizabeth warren, college for all, debt cancellation

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: shooterbrody

Considering Russia's moves on non-NATO countries? Yes.

why is it our ongoing job to protect them?

a reply to: DBCowboy

The forgiveness I don't like so much. Those people already made a decision.

But if we're gonna fund public schools, they can cut their dumb spending, offer education, and we could spend the same amount to invest in the future.

I don't see why people are more outraged about this than us continuing to waste money on failed wars that cost more.

a reply to: Tartuffe

Sorry but I'm the Millennial that has no college debt, works a hard job, and am just waiting for the house I bought to be finished being built.

You can try again with your ad hominem though.

Another thing we need to consider is the internet.

It wont be long before the internet will make colleges redundant.

Maybe we shouldn't be thinking of getting more people into a cramped building somewhere and look to creating an online education hub.

a reply to: CriticalStinker

The problem stems from an "equal outcome" perspective that leftists have.

Not everyone is smart.
Not everyone does well in school.
Not everyone can earn a college degree. Or even a high school diploma.

We have to face facts that if the average IQ is 100, then half the people are below average.

And we want them to waste time for college?

a reply to: shooterbrody

Why is it our ongoing job to protect Israel?

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: Tartuffe

Sorry but I'm the Millennial that has no college debt, works a hard job, and am just waiting for the house I bought to be finished being built.

You can try again with your ad hominem though.

Then why do you want free tuition?

a reply to: DBCowboy

Exactly! If you can`t afford college, you don`t go. Just like if I can`t afford a new car, I don`t buy one.
No one held a gun to anyone`s head to force them to sign on the dotted line to get the loan, so it is their problem not mine.

Many moons ago I was going to go to medical school , but the cost was insane. I did the responsible thing and did not go rather than take on that kind of financial burden with no end in sight. I did end up working in several medical field related jobs, and enjoyed it immensely.

Personal responsibility seems to be a vanishing thing ... its all about " I gets because I is" as a customer at a retail store I managed once told me. Exact quote. He was caught shoplifting and thought that since his housing and medical care and food were "free" so should anything in my store be "free" to him.

Now its college? Good heavens, most of the people I interviewed for jobs who had college degrees couldn`t even communicate well enough to get through a job interview.

No way should anyone have their loan forgiven for college --- unless ALL loans for anything are wiped out at the same time. That would be fair, right?

Enough of the stupidity, and people need to grow up and deal with the responsibilities they willingly took on.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

We already have a little socialism, you are proposing a little more socialism.

Eventually those little pieces of socialism lead to alot of socialism.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

So you wont compromise and let them use their ideas to fix the border issues.


Is there anything at all that you're willing to give them? Something you don't like but they really want.

Give that to them in exchange for something you really want?

Because if you can't and if they can't, then we are doomed.

a reply to: DBCowboy

No, leftists don't want equality. They want equity, it's even worse.

But we could do this without equity or equality.

The same standards could be in place for admission.

Publicly funded schools could offer a basic education without frivolous things... It doesn't need to be 50,000a year.

If you want that, go to a private school. No one is banning it.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: grey580

Welcome to the European Model of Education.

But some people would rather complain about how American kids are getting "dumber" (although our IQ is actually rising) while refusing to actually admit that Europe's education model may be the reason they outrank us.

Hard to believe that IQs are rising when so many young adults act so brainwashed and stupid. If it's rising, it's only because the model for testing got dumbed down like everything else.

originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: Bluntone22

I wouldn't limit it to just STEM.

One of the big problems in this country is lack of education. Which just leads to poverty, crime etc. If we give people more opportunities to better themselves. Everyone wins.

It starts at home. Kids need both mother and father figures in their lives and many aren't growing up in a nuclear family setting.

a reply to: shooterbrody

He is not the be all end of that party ,no.

Face it the posters of this thread arn't thinking or worrying about him right now.

she must be stopped at all cost. an educated populace is a dangerous and detrimental one.

obviously leads to socialism and 'they' coming after our history and guns.

her proposal to remove the third greatest burden on a family is downright insanity.

she wants to turn america into Venezuela...not Sweden or Norway. no way!

originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: grey580

I would go with some degrees outside of stem.
But I get very tired of business management degrees coming across my desk.

You could put teaching degrees into the mix.
I would also be cool with minors in subjects outside of the stem fields.

Depends on your location... Where I'm from, an engineering degree will take you a lot further than a STEM degree. Especially Petroleum Engineering.

a reply to: Tartuffe

Because it will lead to a stronger society. The reason humanity has made it as far as it has is not because of wealth accumulation. It's because we looked out for one another.

Neanderthals were smarter and stronger than us, yet we're the ones left standing because we were a more communal species.

Why should that change now that we're at the top of the food chain?

a reply to: odzeandennz

So your claim is we have an uneducated populace and only Warren can save us?



Your post proves we don't have an educated populace.

a reply to: LSU2018

Engineering is a stem degree.

Science
Technology
Engineering
Math

originally posted by: scraedtosleep

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: Bluntone22

Those already exist. This will mean that the smartest kids from each demographic will be able to go to college.

Why don't you want smart, poor, white kids to go to go to university?

It also gives kids freer access to trade schools. Isn't one of the biggest complaints of the Right that no one knows a trade skill anymore? This would give kids the path to pursue a trade and get off the street.

The price tag may seem scary but in the end it essentially solves most of the problems the Right complains about. It gives us a student population that will actually achieve things. It brings back American Made. And it gets kids off the street because it gives them options other than slinging drugs on the corner.

In the end the American economy will be stronger and we will easily make the money back.

So where's the bad?

If it was the right suggesting this you can bet that the repubs would be arguing those very same points that you list , to a left that would be saying no.

This isn't about whether the idea is a good one or not. It's about who first came up with that idea.

And sadly in modern america the parties would both rather see us all low instead of allowing the other side a win.

That's odd that you know for a fact that the right would be arguing Xcalibur's same points if the shoe was on the other foot when a lot on Blunt's side aren't in tune with what he's saying. But carry on, this is nothing new from your party.