Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel - Black and Hispanic Neighborhoods Lack Morals and Values.

Shari Runner, former president and CEO of the Chicago Urban League, deemed the remarks insensitive. "I cannot see the victims of racist policies and bigoted practices shamed by anyone who says they need to do better or be better in their circumstance. I won’t accept it,” Runner said Kwame Raoul, a Democratic state senator who is running for Illinois attorney general, took a similar view. “I think for the mayor to make a generalization about a community is more than just misspoken," Raoul said, "it's outright wrong,”

Sorry I have to laugh.

Rahm Emanuel 'racist'.

a reply to: neo96

I want to know who the 'victims' of all the Chicago shootings are. I don't care if those neighborhoods are lawless or not. Everything societal runs on some kind of code.

Yup, a little kid gets shot every now and then. I don't see the whole 'hood' upset by the event, just the folks who should be upset by a kid gettin' killed. Then, I stop and consider the upset survivors and their 'choice' to live in the hood. I mean, anyone could 'walk on out' if they didn't want to live there anymore.

The hood provides ... the hood takes away.

Now that the drama has been addressed, what about the other folks who get 'vigilante justice' from their business partners? Some guy doesn't pay what he owes. He gets shot for it. I'm good with criminals shooting other criminals. Wouldn't bother me at all if the rate of bad guys killing each other off increased a thousandfold.

a reply to: wantsome

Detroit is not a byproduct of capitalism. It's a direct product of government mismanagement of the fruits capitalism produces.

The tragedy of it all is that it all started out with good intentions and now they're in hell.

a reply to: carewemust

".. Black and Hispanic Neighborhoods Lack Morals and Values .."

Republicans need to use that against the left in the mid-terms. Would go over well at the polling stations.

Coming from the same people who desperately want to see religion removed from public life.
Sorry Rahm, there are no morals in socialist systems, maybe see the Soviet Union and Cuba for comparison?

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: wantsome

Detroit is not a byproduct of capitalism. It's a direct product of government mismanagement of the fruits capitalism produces.

The tragedy of it all is that it all started out with good intentions and now they're in hell.

It also took the United Auto Workers Union and public sector unions to bleed the city dry.
Unions once served a purpose until they could be bought out by others not in the industry.

I have been aware ever since stepping into the professional world that one of the greatest disservices ever done to humanity was treating an a dab blame essay with a catchy name by Gould that we all know as if it was the end all tell all when it came to certain issues (and see I am still afraid to label it as anything but "certain issues." Since it's publication the world acts as if that has all been decided and confirmed. It doesn't matter that all the professors who conferred the degree of PhD upon MLk all came forward over the years and said that they, in shame, gave into the administration which was demanding they accept his dissertation when it was clearly a forgery in ita entirety other than bits a d pieces written by King here and there which was such low quality work they would have failed any other candidate and even profess dislike for him as before rhe assassination, he had built up a reputation as a violent wife beater who often psychologically abused her disappearing to do drugs and drink at parties that culminated in orgies where he brought disease home from and as a person who couldn't perform at the most basic level of elementary and intermediate subjects much less a PhD dissertation. (Unrelated but if true it's a shame he is the go to for the person who embodies that community cities struggles and successes. People who couldn't be more deserving are unknown simultaneously like the wonderful and selfless Medger Evers, the incredible Harrieat Tubman...)

One of my degrees is in this world where I worked for over a decade before I got sick, that all the way back in school we were warned, "ok so this is what all your numbers will show. Solution? You will just need to tweak your numbers from one person to the next however you must so it won't be an issue." We laughed until the instructor shook her head and explained, "no I am serious. You have this week to work with this information then forget it. This is one place that I must stop and just be honest with you. I can guarantee if you ever repeat this or mention it even in an attempt to help, your career WILL end immediately and forever." She was absolutely right.

I thought since the first school I was at had such a small population of a group that I could suggest a special very helpful and still very confidential program of extra check-in, specialized placement with certain teachers, a More diversified assessed and retaught to mastery focus with students who had consistent successes and failures in certain areas and the first thing I did was embrace Gould and cite his essay in explaining that it is probably as simple as providing a leg up to certain students in certain areas early on and all throughout school and those areas are ones upon which all other subjects are built as well as ensuring someone keeps on top of their responsibility for making learning possible such as organizing, planning, time management, exercise and nutrition, etc and students who show no need needn't be kept under watch but I personally feel this little change is one of many possible that could chain reaction into enormous change.

Why? Well kids that succeed in school feel good about who they are. People succeeding in school and getting praise and accolades they EARN, not as a blanket feel good for all students no matte their performance, are students who don't drop out. Kids who don't drop out and/or have low confidence or too much time on their hands with no more friends around to socialize with don't join gangs. Students who do average even to well rarely have kids as teenagers. People who don't start popping out kids they can't care for or don't care to care for won't go around having many more while enjoying sexual pleasure and fulfilling the idea of masculinity that the most toxic thing out there (this groups pop culture, music industry, etc.) and cuz of it never settling down to create either a two parent home or rotation of the kid where he has supervision from two adults who love him. Happy successful kids means good jobs in lieu of settling for scraping by on handouts. That means crime plummets, people join middle class and are fulfilled, the end.

I never took it anywhere past the whole leg up for learning skills and elementary subjects for kids who happen to be at this level says the test used in the US to gauge a kids abilities in elementary subjects. I hadn't even mentioned race. When the parents realized that it included random white and Asian kids here and there but 90+ percent of one race of child, the subject was quickly changed as you could hear the cursing and accusations of being a racist whispered through a sea of angry faces.

I cannot believe that I would really stop my kid from getting any more personalized education for ANY reason it's so hard nowadays with 38-40 student classes. But to take that away from them so I could make a point about race when the real numbers show certain things that simply are but people see as negative, not neutral...and when it could help my community a little or even a lot...I just don't get it.

Eff it you know what, I'll probably get banned for it but I'm gonna stop being ashamed of numbers in our community, white kids were testing at comparable IQ scores of 100-101. Asians 101-103. Latinos 97-99. Black students were getting an average comparable to about 86. In our schools, 85 is considered special Ed enough that a child is put into the actual special Ed program. Well unless very low functioning from downs or something, black kids often must be kept in gen Ed who fall below 85. And to this day, knowing this for about 40 or 50 years, it has yet to ever be mentioned at any district meeting PTA conference you name it. Well, maybe a handful of times but it is immediately determined to be an off limits subject and not one word is allows in response.

You would think that teachers, school psychologists, angels on earth (aka sped teachers), administrators etc who work 630 or 7am till 10 pm, keep an eye out on kids for signs of trouble at home or amongst peers, hopd your kids while they come out and cry swearing you to secrecy as the only one they trust, work with the very real science of knowledge acquisition, mind blooms taxonomy, follow state and federal laws regarding confidentiality and medical issues, hippa, ferpa, the ones who often spend more time we with a child than the parents and who do it for starting salaries of 21-23 thousand showing they honestly care about your kids (well the first and second years who knows but by year three if they stick around they are sincere) are the people who should be trusted with pondering an issue as taboo as that and given room to speak without being branded with a label that will ruin them for life if it means any chance of helping any kids of any type. But no, you mention a group of kids and anyone notices they are a higher population of blacks than the general community population, then man that's some racist ish. And god help you you will be in the cross hairs and they will be out fpr blood to prove everyone is out to oppress them. Oh it might help my kid stay straight and be a happy productive adult? Nah, don't care. It's still just whitey controlling the minorities and we won't stand for it. All other solutions to the black community's plight are kinda obvious but none which I have thought of would pass the racist test so will never be considered or even be allowed to be mentioned.

originally posted by: eNaR
a reply to: carewemust

".. Black and Hispanic Neighborhoods Lack Morals and Values .."

Republicans need to use that against the left in the mid-terms. Would go over well at the polling stations.

Use it "for the polls", even though it's a disgusting lie?

Maybe the Russians will promote it. We've seen how proficient they are at promoting lies.
#Hillary Clinton

Now, tell me again who lacks morals?

This is the first time that Rahm said anything I completely agree with.

People have been blaming scapegoats and tip toeing around the truth for decades while the problem gets worse and worse out of fear. You will never fix a problem if you cant even call it by name. The problem is not the tools used, its the people using them. Those tools exist in every neighborhood, not just the poor inner city neighborhoods. If it was really the tools at fault the problem would be everywhere.

I just pray that people don't get sucked in to that "there are no jobs in our neighborhood" sinkhole. That is a bunch of scapegoat bs. To the people who think that is the problem I have a question for you. Have you ever heard of rush hour traffic? Do you know what rush hour traffic is? Rush hour traffic is MILLIONS of people who do not have jobs in their neighborhoods. The difference between them and the inner city thugs is they drag their tired butts out of bed at 5 in the morning, drive an hour to where the jobs are, and work for a living because they have self respect and want a better life. They don't sit on a street corner saying, "Bring me a job." I have never had a job in my neighborhood. At one point I had to drive and hour and a half to another state because that was where by job was. Of course it would have been easier to mug people or rob convenience stores. But I am not a low life scumbag thug.

All the social programs that were meant to help these people have hurt them immeasurably. Sure, they helped in the short term, but in the long run all they did was create an entire generation of entitlement grabbing dependents who will continue to vote for whomever has a handful of gifts for them, regardless of what it does to their community, their family, or them. If you ever wanted to make a case for government brainwashing, there it is.

a reply to: Vroomfondel

Black and Hispanic Neighborhoods Lack Morals and Values

You agree with that statement?

You can't label an entire group as lacking morals and values based on the bad apples of the group, to do so would be idiotic.

originally posted by: damonster
a reply to: Vroomfondel

Black and Hispanic Neighborhoods Lack Morals and Values

You agree with that statement?

You can't label an entire group as lacking morals and values based on the bad apples of the group, to do so would be idiotic.

Take a drive through those neighborhoods. If you survive you will have learned a few things. Then drive through the a suburban neighborhood and compare the two. Look at the condition of the community. Is it clean? Is it well maintained? Is it happy? Is it covered in trash, filth, graffiti ?

Everyone talks about the few bad apples but no one considers that perhaps the whole thing is bad. Remember just a few weeks ago when the CPD put a bait truck full of Nikes in one of those neighborhoods? All it took was an opportunity to steal something for them to do it. It wasn't planned or necessary. It was just convenient. And they couldn't resist.

There is an entire generation of people in those ghettos that are being raised on and by the street. If you cant understand that I don't think you will ever fully understand how bad the situation really is. The family is a thing of the past in these neighborhoods. Entire generations are growing up learning how to manipulate the system to their own ends knowing full well they are taking advantage of taxpayers. Girls are growing up thinking the best way to make a living is to have babies. Every time you have a baby you get a raise from the government. Why do you think so many of momma's little tax deductions are running wild in the streets? Where are the morals in that equation?

a reply to: Vroomfondel

Thank you.

20+ years I have driven no less than 34 miles south of where we live one way, and my husband has driven no less than 50 miles north of where we live. Where we live is and has always been a compromise between our jobs. I'd love to work closer to home as would he, but we've never gotten lucky enough to make that happen.

You simply adapt and do what you have to.

As I tell my son, as you get older you find out that most of success in life is discovering how to work your personal issues in around how the world is and not expecting it to change for you.

It has nothing to do with race or wealth. Rather, it is city people vs. country people. City people are subject to their own pollution, overcrowding, and misery. They have everything they need within walking distance and so don't need to exert much mental or physical energy. This rots city peoples brains. Rich city people have delusions of grandeur and like to think they rule all the other people, while poor city people shoot and stab one another. Both exist in a brown bubble.

Country people, on the other hand, have much fewer of said city peoples problems. We breathe cleaner air. We get more exercise (both mental and physical) by having to plan shopping trips, errands and such. Despite the country poor having the same welfare benefits, the violence is far less pronounced as Appalachian Americans rely on family far more. Poor country folk just work harder and have better morals than city people. Rich country folk just seem to keep to themselves mostly. They do not overtly flaunt their wealth, but rather just get on with life.

JMO of course. But you got poor folk of all colors in the South living side by side peacefully enough. Rarely do you hear of Chicago style violence on as regular a basis. My peeps in Eastern KY are dirt poor, have lots of guns, etc. No shootins to report. None you will ever know about anyway......

Your Ops are like Goebel's but less sophisticated.

Wild how you took this:

"I am asking … that we don’t shy away from a full discussion about the importance of family and faith helping to develop and nurture character, self-respect, a value system and a moral compass that allows kids to know good from bad and right from wrong.”

"We are going to discuss issues that have been taboo in years past because they are part of the solution. … We also have a responsibility to help nurture character. It plays a role. Our kids need that moral structure in their lives. And we cannot be scared to have this conversation.”

And spun it into THIS:
Black and Hispanic Neighborhoods Lack Morals and Values.

It takes a special kind of mind to spin such hate and division.

originally posted by: carewemust
August 16, 2018

Imagine the firestorm if Donald Trump were to say that violent Black and Hispanic Chicago neighborhoods lack Values and Morals!

Trump has said much worse

Rahm never said "Black and Hispanic " people lack "Values and Morals!"

Hi spoke about geography, not race or ethnicity.

a reply to: soberbacchus

Rahm is trying, but neighborhood leaders are not ready to face the hard truth yet.

www.foxnews.com...

originally posted by: carewemust
August 16, 2018

The Chicago mayor is going right for the jugular. But is he correct?

As Chicago braces for another bloody weekend, Mayor Rahm Emanuel is once again coming under fire for blaming a lack of morals in predominantly black and Hispanic neighborhoods for the recent spate of violent crime.

"I am asking … that we don’t shy away from a full discussion about the importance of family and faith helping to develop and nurture character, self-respect, a value system and a moral compass that allows kids to know good from bad and right from wrong.”

"We are going to discuss issues that have been taboo in years past because they are part of the solution. … We also have a responsibility to help nurture character. It plays a role. Our kids need that moral structure in their lives. And we cannot be scared to have this conversation.”

More at: www.foxnews.com...

Since Rahm Emanuel was President Obama's Chief of Staff, he pretty much gets a pass from most of Mainstream Media, no matter what he says..or does, or doesn't do.

Imagine the firestorm if Donald Trump were to say that violent Black and Hispanic Chicago neighborhoods lack Values and Morals!

-CareWeMust

If Trump said it, he would be absolutely savaged.

Here's the thing... Mayor E. is partially right.

But you can NOT take a specific crisis in the urban core, and critique it this way without being completely out of bounds by virtue of policy and and it's consequences.

Look at the Democratic cities all over America. They have been largely destroyed by Liberal urban policy and ideas. There are PLENTY of very moral blacks and Hispanics in the urban core, but economically disadvantaged folks have been weaponized by the left for the sake of votes.

I mean, think about this: When the "revitalization of the urban core" under Great Society and help for the urban poor took place, and the first housing projects formed, that were focused on helping primarily poor black women receive a "helping hand up", you were ONLY eligible to live in Housing Projects if you were a single parent female family unit.

NO WORKING ADULT MEN were allowed to live in these housing projects... and it was ENFORCED. Literally. These folks were constantly monitored to make sure no working men lived in the household.

Have you thought about the impact of a policy like that on poor urban blacks? That led to an explosion of single parent households without fathers, who, BTW, were made dependent on government, then politically targeted by the left for votes.

So... these are complicated issues. Moral and upstanding poor blacks and Hispanics can't easily make a strong foothold in an environment that has targeting dynamics designed to create people who have been compromised with specific weaponized political tactics focused on deliberately designed group think strategies for voting blocks.

Chicago's Mayor is only partially right... where he's wrong, is in his own and his parties culpability in weaponizing poverty and subsidized/free stuff to brainwash folks to vote for a continuation of what they are getting, and vilify those on the right who claim it is destroying the urban poor through teaching dependency.

a reply to: soberbacchus

LOL....geography indeed. As in THE HOOD. You think the "good" parts of the city need a moral adjustment?

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: carewemust

Do you ever rest your political war?

Everything in your brain is left versus right

So, no solutions, just attack the speaker. Typical.

Because liberal policies have been sooooo successful in acheiving their goals.

originally posted by: lakenheath24
a reply to: soberbacchus

LOL....geography indeed. As in THE HOOD. You think the "good" parts of the city need a moral adjustment?

I think "the hood" contains both people and families that need more of a moral foundation as well as outstanding people and familes.
Skin color does not determine which is which.

The OP is a racist propaganda.

originally posted by: rollanotherone

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: carewemust

Do you ever rest your political war?

Everything in your brain is left versus right

So, no solutions, just attack the speaker. Typical.

Because liberal policies have been sooooo successful in acheiving their goals.

The success or failure of liberal policies is a worthy debate to be had.

Once the right proposes something vs. selling hate based on skin pigment, they can join the debate.

Until then it is a policy debate between racists and people trying to solve social issues.