Bigelow, UFOs, MUFON and ‘DeLonge’ Road to AATIP

No, you're making a logical fallacy known as a false equivalence.

The actual real-world differences between a guy who cons people into fake "ufo summoning" rituals, and the frauds who perpetrated the bogus "Roswell slides" hoax...versus a respected career intelligence official who ran a $22M 10-year Pentagon program to study this phenomenon for the DoD, are enormous and obvious.

If the people who fail to exercise any level of scrutiny or analytical reasoning were right, then nothing new would ever happen. But new things do happen - once in a great while a government insider like Nick Pope or Lue Elizondo comes forward to tell the truth about this phenomenon.

And in this case we didn't only learn about the AATIP, we received confirmation from Sen. Harry Reid, and we've heard from the Commander of the Black Aces and his co-pilot, as well as two radar operators with the USS Nimitz Carrier Strike Group, and we're seeing the academic papers and hearing interviews and talks with two of the scientists who worked with the program. And for the first time the DoD has released declassified clips of three different AAV encounters.

How anyone could equate all of that with the Roswell slides, boggles the mind. That's like saying that there's no difference between a mouse and an elephant because they're both mammals.

It shocks me just how bad some people are at thinking, "kings of ufology" (haha) or otherwise.

a reply to: Arouet

Actually you were inaccurately interpreting things as is your write.

My point has long been that when Tom DeLonge spoke on shows like C2C AM that the impression given was always that he was working with Pentagon insiders to bring some form of UFO disclosure to America. People who have kept up with the thread will know that. The NY Times story and other media release via selected media outlets have also given that impression to people who don't look into any depth at things that the Pentagon were finally admitting they'd studied UFOs....

But when you look at their website and financial documents TTSA are nothing but a company filed as a service allied to motion pictures, and a debt write off for Tom DeLonge with bold plans only should their donations reach certain levels.

As for those biologists and neuroscientists named as advisers to TTSA. Well yes that's interesting ain't it? I've speculated on that many a time before. It's all in the thread.

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: Arouet

Actually you were inaccurately interpreting things as is your write.

heh

My point has long been that when Tom DeLonge spoke on shows like C2C AM that the impression given was always that he was working with Pentagon insiders to bring some form of UFO disclosure to America. People who have kept up with the thread will know that. The NY Times story and other media release via selected media outlets have also given that impression to people who don't look into any depth at things that the Pentagon were finally admitting they'd studied UFOs....

But when you look at their website and financial documents TTSA are nothing but a company filed as a service allied to motion pictures, and a debt write off for Tom DeLonge with bold plans only should their donations reach certain levels.

As for those biologists and neuroscientists named as advisers to TTSA. Well yes that's interesting ain't it? I've speculated on that many a time before. It's all in the thread.

Last time Mission Statement

You on the other hand enjoy playing with words and attempting to obscure the truth with them. You think you are good at it, but you are not. A squirm is a squirm is a squirm.

I’m pretty sure that if the whole TTSA show was a huge scam that it’s only a matter of weeks or months before the whole thing fades away. Drops one, two, three, four, possibly five have been made or are on the way. The new book comes out next week.

The circular info for investing is clear to see for everyone who seeks (or not) to join the group, so obviously some of the best politicians, scientists, military personnel and space pioneers just like financially supporting an ex Noughties pop-punk band member, for shats and giggles and possibly free and past sell-by reconstituted pork products. Makes complete sense. I’m sure they’re honoured to support such a worthy cause. Their families will be proud.

Surely everyone who joined TTSA is in their right mind knows it’s a gamble - and for those that didn’t then it’s a bit of entertainment to while away days and weeks worth of their lives on the interwebs, so it seems. Why the lack of love here people.

a reply to: Baablacksheep

I read that thread, I wonder why it just stopped like that back 2012.

I poked about the name "Val**** Ran****" in my own occult way.

That name has more psychic security then Raytheon and the Exmouth secret squirrel base here in Oz.

You also meet the aliens.

All very deceptive. I'll not say more without permission from MM, but that is the gist of last night's adventure.

a reply to: mirageman

You wonder why they nixed the UFO theme for this format.

That, the clear disregarding of what TDL spoke and suggested he wanted to do, that is a UFO disclosure group, and the positive press coverage is what I base my opinion about this being a psyop on.

To me, there’s just no other explanation


Any person who deliberately goes to the US IC and military establishment to do anything like TDL wanted to do has to be incredibly naïve or just a damn fool.

You just don’t do that because these people have deep agendas they are paid to do way beyond anything you want to do.

a reply to: Whatsthisthen

All very deceptive. I'll not say more without permission from MM, but that is the gist of last night's adventure.

Okay, look forward to what you might say?

a reply to: Baablacksheep

PM me

originally posted by: firesnake
I’m pretty sure that if the whole TTSA show was a huge scam that it’s only a matter of weeks or months before the whole thing fades away. Drops one, two, three, four, possibly five have been made or are on the way. The new book comes out next week.

The circular info for investing is clear to see for everyone who seeks (or not) to join the group, so obviously some of the best politicians, scientists, military personnel and space pioneers just like financially supporting an ex Noughties pop-punk band member, for shats and giggles and possibly free and past sell-by reconstituted pork products. Makes complete sense. I’m sure they’re honoured to support such a worthy cause. Their families will be proud.

Surely everyone who joined TTSA is in their right mind knows it’s a gamble - and for those that didn’t then it’s a bit of entertainment to while away days and weeks worth of their lives on the interwebs, so it seems. Why the lack of love here people.

Are you speaking about the lack of love that shows itself as disingenuous, fuzzy-headed, rabidly extreme bias? No worries, mate.

They're watching a train that has left the station hoping on an Act Of God to derail. Pissed that they not only missed the train but it isn't going to circle back - ever - to pick them up.

Wouldn't you be permanently distraught?

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: mirageman
Any person who deliberately goes to the US IC and military establishment to do anything like TDL wanted to do has to be incredibly naïve or just a damn fool.

You just don’t do that because these people have deep agendas they are paid to do way beyond anything you want to do.

Quite so.

There's an old Stan Friedman proverb, “you can’t tell your friends without telling your enemies.”

TTSA seems to be a very public matter. If anything significant does come out vis-a-vis mission elements like ‘electrogravitic propulsion’, ‘engineering space-time’, and ‘brain-computer interface telepathy’, doesn’t it risk attracting the unwanted attention of the Russians/Chinese or another faction much more unsavoury?

For example, if a foreign agent has the wherewithal to enter and leave UK territory and attempt to poison former spies, you wouldn’t put it past them getting access to a certain building or two in Las Vegas and stealing those plans and meta-materials. The U.S. state has precautions in place to prevent that information slipping out, but what about Bigelow's/TTSA headquarters?

Might we have reason to suspect that ex-CIA/government insiders on board are a mandatory part of DeLonge’s deal and are part of the control mechanism?

Might we return to the above 'proverb' and insist that these missions elements can never see the light of day? Ergo, what's the deal? Is this all a smokescreen? To push some semblance of disclosure with a great deal of deniability?

For people to say things like "it's time the TTSA puts up or shuts up" is high ignorance and purposefully condescending and sounds like they want this endeavor by the TTSA to fail and go away...I just don't understand that line if thinking, if any avenue of investigation is attempting to discover more information on these obvious visitations by alien craft, why beat on their backs with every step they make? Why are some people involved in Ufology at all when they act like they do not want any progress in finding answers?

a reply to: Defragmentor

You make good points.

Also, the fact that they are espousing publicly all this drama about warp drives and super propulsion is an indication it’s all BS, or in-fact a lure to deceive Russia and China.

I listened to TDL's Joe Rogan interview and he's just too good to be true as a dupe for the IC. He said he went to the army as if they don't work together.

He's not ignorant just naive in the extreme.

a reply to: Defragmentor

Hey, the proofs in the pudding.

I’ll be the first to apologize IF and when they come up with something tangible.
I’ll buy Zondo some new clothes.

I’m a believer in the phenomenon, but also very astute and knowledgeable about the IC’s deceptions

A recap disguised as a proposal?
I wonder where this other facility with better equipment is...sounds like a fairly specialised job?

I want to highlight an analogy to bring to realization the utter stupidity and absurdity of what TDL did.


Just imagine some very popular person going to the US military Intelligence complex and say, I want to help you guys bring peace in the ME.

After they finish laughing at you behind your back, they will set your stupid ass up to be a tool of their machinations to not only NOT bring peace to the MWE but make more war

These people are serious people who will use and abuse anybody.

Something of interest
ufos-scientificresearch.blogspot.com...

originally posted by: Willtell
Also, the fact that they are espousing publicly all this drama about warp drives and super propulsion is an indication it’s all BS, or in-fact a lure to deceive Russia and China.

Of course, there's also the remote possibility that this venture extends beyond the Five Eyes, and that even Russia and China are in the loop (hence suggestions as to why the U.S. generally takes the lead on these matters). The revelation of new materials might start a paradigm shift in terms of global manufacturing and industry, and revitalise economies.

But I think, on balance of its foreign policy, the U.S. would want to protect its interests. If terrorists came into possession of some of this technology--and it was real and physical and had practical use--well, hold onto your hats. There's also form for their distrust of outside sources in the Snowden revelations and the attempts to break down encryption and gather communication data.

originally posted by: Arouet
..... if any avenue of investigation is attempting to discover more information on these obvious visitations by alien craft, why beat on their backs with every step they make? Why are some people involved in Ufology at all when they act like they do not want any progress in finding answers?

You've already answered your own question as you so proudly pointed out yesterday their mission statement is;

"To The Stars Academy strives to be a powerful vehicle for change by creating a consortium among science, aerospace and entertainment that will work collectively to allow gifted researchers the freedom to explore exotic science and technologies with the infrastructure and resources to rapidly transition them to products that can change the world..."

Where does it mention "obvious visitations" by alien craft?

It doesn't Cristiano.

a reply to: Defragmentor

In other words, the idea of the US, Russia, and China are actually together fighting the aliens.

Maybe, but I doubt it since human beings can’t agree on the weather.

I recall Reagan’s rap, to paraphrase: “gee what if we had an alien force coming at us, then we’d all unite


Sure, and when the aliens left we’d go back to fighting

a reply to: Willtell

They might not agree on the weather but they might agree that there's something not from here flying over their territories, at the very least by process of elimination.

But I don't think that swings the bat near to the TTSA ball.