Mandela Effect: I come from an Earth where evolution took a slightly different turn

Another point is that brain size is a good predictor of relative intelligence when comparing animals of the same basic type. (Human intelligence scales with other primates). So, it works for comparing chimps to humans, but not for comparing elephants to humans.

This comparison might degrade if we're saying the alternate humans are not so similar to modern humans as their skeletons would suggest, which quite frankly, would make me a little nervous if any of this timeline shifting stuff were true, as your consciousness would have developed in a non-human form.

This would essentially make you transdimensional aliens masquerading as humans.

Perhaps we could do some psychological and cognitive tests on you guys to see how you stack up or whether you're safe to have around.

originally posted by: ZenHorse

Yes and the rib cage from my memory/history had only 'floating ribs' (such that they were never called floating because that was the norm for ribs). They never attached to each other at the front (to make a single unified 'box' structure). The rib cage is now referred to as a box-like thoracic cage - never in my life had I heard such a description of our rib cages.

Did you have CPR in your previous timeline? Because with that alternate ribcage, CPR would be a really good way to kill someone. In fact, the entire ribcage looks like it was specifically designed to puncture your internal organs rather than protect them. Seems like a bizarre evolutionary miscue. How did you guys survive?

a reply to: Orborus

Cool I had to ask. I would lean to miss remembering. Because your "parallel" human looks more like a different hominin to me. Either that or you live in a population of non sapiens

originally posted by: Greggers

originally posted by: ZenHorse

Yes and the rib cage from my memory/history had only 'floating ribs' (such that they were never called floating because that was the norm for ribs). They never attached to each other at the front (to make a single unified 'box' structure). The rib cage is now referred to as a box-like thoracic cage - never in my life had I heard such a description of our rib cages.

Did you have CPR in your previous timeline? Because with that alternate ribcage, CPR would be a really good way to kill someone. In fact, the entire ribcage looks like it was specifically designed to puncture your internal organs rather than protect them. Seems like a bizarre evolutionary miscue. How did you guys survive?

Yes we did have CPR. No it wasn't a particularly good way to kill someone. The reason is that the ribcage was covered in hard thick muscle which squeezed the ribs together more (and there may have been a floating sternum but it was not attached to ribs as it is today). We had more issues of ribs becoming dislodged and piercing our lungs however, yes. But for the most part our ribs were very thick and strong despite the flaws.

Cool I had to ask. I would lean to miss remembering. Because your "parallel" human looks more like a different hominin to me. Either that or you live in a population of non sapiens[

I'll say there are no hominids today that resemble the human anatomy as I remember it. Evolutionarily speaking hominids more resemble humans of this timeline/reality. Other animals also have the 'weird' ribcages etc. (for me).

originally posted by: Orborus
...the ribcage was covered in hard thick muscle which squeezed the ribs together more

Even more dangerous to soft internal organs, which contradicts the whole purpose of having a ribcage (the thorax is enclosed by ribs to protect vital organs).

I also noticed your legs lack a fibula which provides support and maneuverability to the tibia. The tibia does bear the weight, but it needs the fibula to do its job properly. In this timeline people born without fibula have the lower leg amputated.

And one more point: I see your sacral bones are really really small. When this deformity occurs in this timeline people usually experience damage to the nerves that come from the spinal cord and exist at the sacrum. This damage can have all sort of negative effects, ranging from constipation, incontinence and even limbs paralysis.

I'm sorry but I don't think any human being with the 'parallel skeleton' could have lived a normal life.

originally posted by: Pearj
shout ridiculous arguments at the top of their lungs, because your dialog threatens their unchangeable world.

LOL Ridiculous? Replies based on real anatomical knowledge are ridiculous?

originally posted by: Orborus


I'll say there are no hominids today that resemble the human anatomy as I remember it. Evolutionarily speaking hominids more resemble humans of this timeline/reality. Other animals also have the 'weird' ribcages etc. (for me).

Then your consciousness evolved in a non-human form and I don't trust you guys. If these things about shifting timelines are true, I'm in favor of an X-Men style future where we test and segregate you guys, at least until we can determine whether you're safe.

originally posted by: Greggers

originally posted by: Orborus


I'll say there are no hominids today that resemble the human anatomy as I remember it. Evolutionarily speaking hominids more resemble humans of this timeline/reality. Other animals also have the 'weird' ribcages etc. (for me).

Then your consciousness evolved in a non-human form and I don't trust you guys. If these things about shifting timelines are true, I'm in favor of an X-Men style future where we test and segregate you guys, at least until we can determine whether you're safe.

Yes because historically speaking segregation has been all about determining whether people are "safe" for life within a population...

I have a feeling we belong to no form of homo sapiens - nobody is "human". There are different versions of the human species but no subjectivising individual can be wholly flesh and blood (we can't be reduced to our physical bodies) and neuroscience is discovering our neuronal structure is not in itself adequate to explain the subjective experience of a person (a person is only formed via a specific cultural and linguistic context, a Symbolic background). Basically if you want to segregate those who are "shifting" or "merging" - if indeed that's what we are doing - then you'll have to segregate everyone from each other. We're all shifting maybe, its just a matter of being aware of contradictions in knowledge and experience which indicate that a shift or merger has already occurred. From here we might know what to test for, and perhaps gain some understanding of whether or not we can control it.

originally posted by: Orborus

originally posted by: Greggers

originally posted by: Orborus


I'll say there are no hominids today that resemble the human anatomy as I remember it. Evolutionarily speaking hominids more resemble humans of this timeline/reality. Other animals also have the 'weird' ribcages etc. (for me).

Then your consciousness evolved in a non-human form and I don't trust you guys. If these things about shifting timelines are true, I'm in favor of an X-Men style future where we test and segregate you guys, at least until we can determine whether you're safe.

Yes because historically speaking segregation has been all about determining whether people are "safe" for life within a population...

Long-term segregation of our fellow humans is done for prejudicial reasons and is absolutely wrong. Segregation of non-humans from humans is done every day, and the reasons do involve protection, especially if the species in question is a predator.

If what you claim is true, you're not human. You're trans-dimensional aliens in human bodies. Could we at least get you to submit to some psychological profiling?

All I can say is that it's a good thing you can't prove any of this stuff. Otherwise, I expect the government really would find a use for all those FEMA camps everyone is talking about.

originally posted by: Greggers

originally posted by: Orborus


I'll say there are no hominids today that resemble the human anatomy as I remember it. Evolutionarily speaking hominids more resemble humans of this timeline/reality. Other animals also have the 'weird' ribcages etc. (for me).

Then your consciousness evolved in a non-human form and I don't trust you guys. If these things about shifting timelines are true, I'm in favor of an X-Men style future where we test and segregate you guys, at least until we can determine whether you're safe.

I wouldn't worry a good blow to the chest would kill them. So not much if a threat one punch would kill them.

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: Greggers

originally posted by: Orborus


I'll say there are no hominids today that resemble the human anatomy as I remember it. Evolutionarily speaking hominids more resemble humans of this timeline/reality. Other animals also have the 'weird' ribcages etc. (for me).

Then your consciousness evolved in a non-human form and I don't trust you guys. If these things about shifting timelines are true, I'm in favor of an X-Men style future where we test and segregate you guys, at least until we can determine whether you're safe.

I wouldn't worry a good blow to the chest would kill them. So not much if a threat one punch would kill them.

That's a fair point, but unfortunately they are doing an invasion-of-the-body-snatchers routine.

originally posted by: Greggers

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: Greggers

originally posted by: Orborus


I'll say there are no hominids today that resemble the human anatomy as I remember it. Evolutionarily speaking hominids more resemble humans of this timeline/reality. Other animals also have the 'weird' ribcages etc. (for me).

Then your consciousness evolved in a non-human form and I don't trust you guys. If these things about shifting timelines are true, I'm in favor of an X-Men style future where we test and segregate you guys, at least until we can determine whether you're safe.

I wouldn't worry a good blow to the chest would kill them. So not much if a threat one punch would kill them.

That's a fair point, but unfortunately they are doing an invasion-of-the-body-snatchers routine.

This is just a lack of understanding in human anatomy. They see those skeletons on holoween and think it's an acurately representing humans. Our bodies are designed so everything has a purpose and if you remove something your going to have problems. Humans from this other reality wouldn't even be able to walk or support there own weight. Laying down they would suffocate. And God only knows how they would digest food if there stomach was that low. Doesn't leave alot of room for the intestines. So I'd guess they would also be severely malnurished.

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: Greggers

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: Greggers

originally posted by: Orborus


I'll say there are no hominids today that resemble the human anatomy as I remember it. Evolutionarily speaking hominids more resemble humans of this timeline/reality. Other animals also have the 'weird' ribcages etc. (for me).

Then your consciousness evolved in a non-human form and I don't trust you guys. If these things about shifting timelines are true, I'm in favor of an X-Men style future where we test and segregate you guys, at least until we can determine whether you're safe.

I wouldn't worry a good blow to the chest would kill them. So not much if a threat one punch would kill them.

That's a fair point, but unfortunately they are doing an invasion-of-the-body-snatchers routine.

This is just a lack of understanding in human anatomy. They see those skeletons on holoween and think it's an acurately representing humans. Our bodies are designed so everything has a purpose and if you remove something your going to have problems. Humans from this other reality wouldn't even be able to walk or support there own weight. Laying down they would suffocate. And God only knows how they would digest food if there stomach was that low. Doesn't leave alot of room for the intestines. So I'd guess they would also be severely malnurished.

Please do show these halloween skeletons that apparently resemble the one I remember. You'll find that a great majority feature box-like rib cages with prominent sternums - and even the ones that don't do not look like the ribcage as has been represented in this thread. And that's to say nothing about the other differing details (like hips or overall proportions).

So i'm not able to perfectly depict how the skeleton was, big deal, what matters is the idiosyncratic elements of the 'old' skeleton that I recall which clearly do not feature in our current skeletons.

"Our bodies are designed so everything has a purpose" - flatly wrong in multiple respects. Firstly evolution is not a 'designing' process, its a trial and error adaptation process which gets many things wrong simply because the requirement is survival, not efficiency or utility. Second, ever heard of vestigial organs?

I must be from this universe. The sternum has been there my whole life.

I do envy the average males trap muscles in the parallel universe tho.

originally posted by: dragonridr

This is just a lack of understanding in human anatomy.

Yes, that would certainly appear to be the case. Thankfully. Otherwise, we've been invaded by confused transdimensional aliens suffering from amnesia.

What if they wake up and remember their true purpose here is to eat us? Or make us listen to Justin Bieber?

a reply to: Greggers

Current locations or structure aside..

If we both aren't doctors, then we both have the same validity in our claim.

If you say "facts are on my side!!", then you don't understand the ME.

originally posted by: Orborus

originally posted by: Greggers

originally posted by: Orborus


Yes and the rib cage from my memory/history had only 'floating ribs' (such that they were never called floating because that was the norm for ribs). They never attached to each other at the front (to make a single unified 'box' structure). The rib cage is now referred to as a box-like thoracic cage - never in my life had I heard such a description of our rib cages.

I went back and read your OP again. The above is certainly not clear from the image you provided. Most people looking at that image are going to notice that the "Current" image has standard floating ribs and the ALTERNATE image does not. The ALTERNATE image looks a lot like the cartoon images, commonly depicted in pop culture without floating ribs.

The post I was responding to (the one where ANOTHER user asked why the ALTERNATE image looked correct to him), likely keyed on the same "at a glance" feature.

Take a look at this one then, I've removed the lung-size outline on the skeletons:

See how the ribs don't join up together at the front? There's no connection to a central sternum cartilage nor rib-like cartilage connecting the lower ribs to the higher, all ribs are depicted entirely separate from each other. The sternum and front connectivity of the ribs are pretty commonly featured in cartoon skeletons because people of this timeline remember it being box-like with 'flat' faces where as in my timeline (or memory, whatever) the ribs in skeletons were always in a claw-like grasping shape - in cartoons, anatomical diagrams and autopsy.

this image makes me want to cry..,... It is what I have been trying to explain for so long. Trying to draw etc....

I like it better here in so many ways, but miss that time when that was my body, I miss that time when I was so blind.

Ignorance was bliss.... I found so much more than I wanted to.

It is so hard to talk about because of the skeptics being like a rabid pack of wolves, yes, but also it is so hard to discuss because of its implications...

originally posted by: hidingthistime

I like it better here in so many ways, but miss that time when that was my body, I miss that time when I was so blind.

Wait, are you saying in your original timeline, you were a blind transdimensional alien?

originally posted by: Pearj
a reply to: Greggers

Current locations or structure aside..

If we both aren't doctors, then we both have the same validity in our claim.

If you say "facts are on my side!!", then you don't understand the ME.

What I've said quite clearly is that ME isn't falsifiable and therefore is purely a matter of faith. Why believe in something for which there is no empirical evidence?

And another point -- ME is composed of hundreds of individual claims. For each of these, there exist common, everyday explanations. Rejection of empirically reasonable explanations without first doing the work to actually falsify them is a very poor way to reach an accurate conclusion.

It would be like finding graffiti spray-painted on your car and saying, "Wow. Space aliens absolutely did this."

Maybe first you should falsify the notion that another human being could have spray-painted your car.

originally posted by: hidingthistime

originally posted by: Orborus

originally posted by: Greggers

originally posted by: Orborus


Yes and the rib cage from my memory/history had only 'floating ribs' (such that they were never called floating because that was the norm for ribs). They never attached to each other at the front (to make a single unified 'box' structure). The rib cage is now referred to as a box-like thoracic cage - never in my life had I heard such a description of our rib cages.

I went back and read your OP again. The above is certainly not clear from the image you provided. Most people looking at that image are going to notice that the "Current" image has standard floating ribs and the ALTERNATE image does not. The ALTERNATE image looks a lot like the cartoon images, commonly depicted in pop culture without floating ribs.

The post I was responding to (the one where ANOTHER user asked why the ALTERNATE image looked correct to him), likely keyed on the same "at a glance" feature.

Take a look at this one then, I've removed the lung-size outline on the skeletons:

See how the ribs don't join up together at the front? There's no connection to a central sternum cartilage nor rib-like cartilage connecting the lower ribs to the higher, all ribs are depicted entirely separate from each other. The sternum and front connectivity of the ribs are pretty commonly featured in cartoon skeletons because people of this timeline remember it being box-like with 'flat' faces where as in my timeline (or memory, whatever) the ribs in skeletons were always in a claw-like grasping shape - in cartoons, anatomical diagrams and autopsy.

this image makes me want to cry..,... It is what I have been trying to explain for so long. Trying to draw etc....

I like it better here in so many ways, but miss that time when that was my body, I miss that time when I was so blind.

Ignorance was bliss.... I found so much more than I wanted to.

It is so hard to talk about because of the skeptics being like a rabid pack of wolves, yes, but also it is so hard to discuss because of its implications...

Yes,It is a very good depiction of the previous reality,although I do not remember the skull being smaller ,I have a big head anyway,he did get the Hip-Bone Pelvis correct. I was wanting to draw something like i recall it as well ,he did a very good job though.

Like it - Yea the energy in this version of reality seems more open it might be a positive change in some ways,but it is not the same reality i grew up in,The body felt fine and seemed "right" but allot of the social - psychological energy going on was more messed up, the negative energy's were ruining things.
My body feels alright here but what was throwing me off was that it had changed, now were in this variation of nature.

Ignorance - Well i guess knowing that , things changed is better than not knowing , it opens up what reality realty is , not boxed in to the illusion of allot of things.

[snipped]

Yes, kowing is better than the frustration of searching znd never getting answers I guess.

The fact they have racsism here is a bit horrifying though, it's like they went ahead in some areas, and are behind in others... like either way there needs to be a balance and things are still skewed.