Despite being stopped the least amount of times, white people have murdered the most cops this year

originally posted by: Agartha
a reply to: theySeeme
Whilst it's true that there is no FBI data for 2016 the OP is correct for 2013 and 2014 when police officers killers were mostly white.

The FBI statistics are not released for 2015 yet, only preliminary which does not specify details of the offenders.

In 2014, 51 cops were killed feloniously, 42 of the alleged offenders were white, 13 were black, 2 were American Indian/Alaska Native, 1 was Asian/Pacific Islander, and race was not reported for 1 offender.
FBI 2014


In 2013, 27 cops were killed feloniously, 15 of the alleged offenders were white, 11 were black, and race was not reported for 2 offenders.
FBI 2013

EDIT: sorry OP, I didn't see you have posted the 2013 figures already, I think you did whilst I was browsing the FBI website.

You didn't want to keep going?

By race, 47 of the victim officers were white, 2 were black, and 2 were Asian/Pacific Islander.

50 of the alleged offenders had prior criminal arrests.

So out of the 59 people that killed 51 police (however that's possible), 50 had prior arrest records. I wonder why the FBI doesn't list Hispanics. I'm guessing because they're lumped in with whites.

Anyways. 50 of these guys had prior arrest records, which means whites are obviously pulled over more than blacks.

a reply to: LSU0408

You didn't want to keep going?

Let's stick to the variables of the topic we are discussing, not outside behaviors - secondly, there was no need for me and him to keep going because we both contributed statistics that support the topics title.

So out of the 59 people that killed 51 police (however that's possible), 50 had prior arrest records. I wonder why the FBI doesn't list Hispanics. I'm guessing because they're lumped in with whites.

59 people can kill 51 police officers when in certain incidents multiple people contribute to the death of that officer, whether it be by accessory, or in cases where two separate people shoot at the same officer. That's common sense, anyone with a brain knows that.

According to the government agency that you cited this quote from, the FBI (www.fbi.gov), the white group in their data is responsible for 80% of police felony killings (the FBI report is titled as "felonious killings of law enforcement officers) in 2014. Similar trends followed and lead from previous and thereafter years.

originally posted by: theySeeme

originally posted by: avgguy
a reply to: theySeeme

Whites and Hispanics are grouped together in those statistics.

Like Zimmerman?

Zimmerman didn't kill a cop, he killed a thief.

originally posted by: theySeeme

originally posted by: UnBreakable
a reply to: theySeeme

Ok, you point out cops killed during traffic stops. I'd like to see stats on ALL cop killings. For example, a lot of inhabitants of inner cities can't afford cars or the cost of insurance, fuel, maintenance, etc. but can afford guns.

Ask this guy

So this guy's rationale is everyone who wears the uniform is against blacks and working class people. So that means black cops who wear the uniforms are racist too. Are the blacks who kill other blacks at the historic levels in Obama's hometown of Chicago racist too?

originally posted by: UnBreakable

originally posted by: theySeeme

originally posted by: UnBreakable
a reply to: theySeeme

Ok, you point out cops killed during traffic stops. I'd like to see stats on ALL cop killings. For example, a lot of inhabitants of inner cities can't afford cars or the cost of insurance, fuel, maintenance, etc. but can afford guns.

Ask this guy

So this guy's rationale is everyone who wears the uniform is against blacks and working class people. So that means black cops who wear the uniforms are racist too. Are the blacks who kill other blacks at the historic levels in Obama's hometown of Chicago racist too?

I have no idea, you really should ask that guy, he seems to be preaching all the answers to the crowd.

originally posted by: Shamrock6

originally posted by: theySeeme

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: theySeeme

And still you have no solution.

You are right, I don't think anyone does. The only thing I can do is shed light on facts. I'll bet before this topic you all assumed blacks kill the most cops - data shows otherwise. Sorry.

You'd lose that bet. So, what are you ponying up to cover the loss? Skipping math class? That would be a start.

He already does that. 71% of cops killed in cold blood in 2016 were killed by whites... That's changed from "more or less" to "still the fact remains that whites kill more cops than blacks" which is not something I can recall being an argument in the past. But his "facts" keep changing.

a reply to: theySeeme

Well, to be fair to the people I work with, they are different for different reasons.. a couple scum bags, some nature buffs, a beekeeper, Polish, Irish, German, Asian, Mexican, ect.
I see what your getting at in the OP and for the most part, this statistic is a relevant point to bring up at this time.
To be honest, I wrote that at the end of a long day and I was a bit frustrated with the general conversation right now in america.
I do stand by the statements 100% though.

originally posted by: theySeeme

originally posted by: Winstonian
a reply to: theySeeme

It's funny how people whine about crime, and then beg the police to patrol areas more while screaming to increase the police power in the country. I also find it funny that these same people then whine about the fact that these areas end up producing more arrests and stops.

So which is it? Do we send more police into high crime areas, which often times have large minority populations?

Or do we leave those areas to rot? Isn't that part of the accusation? Isn't that what we hear all the time, that we are not doing enough to help the high crime impoverished areas?

Drives me NUTS watching everyone BLAMING the government, and then BEGGING for more government.

I bet that 90% of the BLM folks will be voting Democrat as usual, who have historically shown not to give a crap about minorities and poor people.

Take your check and shut up until it's time to vote, that's when they really like to use the poor minority demographic.

Well let's see, if the racist history of America is of any proof - it seems that the police were going to black communities and making arrests before there was even a crime epidemic. That's right, after the slaves were freed and black communities established themselves, they were harassed by the racist police force constantly, shot, stabbed, burned, lynched, you name it. Fathers were taken from their sons, from their wives - from their entire family. That stress passed down a few generations, generations which were assaulted by the same racist mentality - and look what we have as a result today.

The black community started off fine, as freed slaves. The police came in when they weren't needed, and created the problem we have today.

Fact.

Yeah. Right. The police geared up and increased dramatically in the 90's under Bill Clinton to stop gangs, violence in the hood, and drugs. That's why so many blacks are arrested. What sense would it make to go to a decent neighborhood where there isn't any crime? Same in the country, makes no sense. But go patrol in the hood and you'll find all kinds of mischievous behavior. DL Hughley wouldn't accept facts from Megyn Kelly during their interview. Even when she said the "hands up don't shoot" was a fabricated lie he denied it. That's exactly how you've acted throughout this entire thread.

originally posted by: theySeeme

originally posted by: LSU0408

originally posted by: theySeeme

originally posted by: LSU0408

originally posted by: theySeeme

originally posted by: LSU0408
a reply to: theySeeme

I've done some research on all the deaths, let's see what I was able to come up with.

Joe Zangaro was shot and killed by Larry Gordon. White male
Ronald Kienzle was shot and killed by Larry Gordon. White male

Michael Smith shot and killed by Micah Johnson. Black male
Brent Thompson shot and killed by Micah Johnson. Black male
Patricio E. Zamarripa shot and killed by Micah Johnson. Black male
Michael Leslie Krol shot and killed by Micah Johnson. Black male
Lorne Bradley Ahrens shot and killed by Micah Johnson. Black male

David Michel was shot and killed by Jerman Neveaux. Black male

Gilberto Colón-Leon was shot and killed by Arnaldo Rodriguez. Hispanic male

Ronald Tarentino was shot and killed by Jorge Zambrano. Hispanic male

David Van Glasser was shot and killed by Israel Santos-Banos. Hispanic male

Brad Lancaster was shot and killed by Curtis Ayers. White male

Steven Smith was shot and killed by Lincoln Rutledge. White male

Chad Dermyer was shot and killed by James Brown III. Black male

Carl Koontz was shot and killed by Evan Dorsey. White male

Allen Jacobs was shot and killed by Deontea Perry Mackey. Black male

David Hofer was shot and killed by Jorge Gonzalez, Hispanic male

Ashley Guindon was shot and killed by Ronald Hamilton. Black male (it was Ashley's first day as a police officer)

Nate Carrigan was shot and killed by Martin Wirth. White male

Lee Tartt was shot and killed by Charles Lee Lambert. White male

Gregory Barney was shot and killed by Jerand Ross. Black male (only black officer so far this year)

Jason Moszer was shot and killed by Marcus Shumacher. White male

Patrick Dailey was shot and killed by David Evans. White male
Mark Logsdon was shot and killed by David Evans. White male

Derek Greer was shot and killed by Austin Holzer. White male

Jason Goodding was shot and killed by Phillip Ferry. White male

Thomas Cottrell was shot and killed by Herschel Jones III. White male

Douglas Barney was shot and killed by Cory Lee Henderson. White male



14 white males shot and killed police officers so far this year.
10 black males shot and killed police officers so far this year.
4 Hispanic males shot and killed police officers so far this year.


That's a far cry from your 71% stat. The rest of officers that died this year have been from car crashes or natural causes. Most of these cops were shot while serving a warrant or shot during an ambush. Few were done during traffic stops.

These deaths are updated daily. If you want to click each officer's name and then Google the shooting to find the name and race of the shooter because you doubt me, here is the link.

www.odmp.org...

Here you have 28 officers, but the source of my topic is 42 officers. I've since double checked, and 56 officers have been killed this year (if we count the 2 officers killed by the white guy in the court house the other day). Are those 2 officers listed in your post too? Nope, many names are missing apart from those too, the Dallas ones are there though.

But I applaud you on this, half of the work is done. Shall I complete the other half of the list, so we can settle this?

Yes, they are the first two officers mentioned in my post. 28 officers have been shot and killed. Not 42, not 56. Twenty eight. I'm challenging you to find an accurate source or prove my source wrong.

Your own source proves you are incomplete, lol. It says it right there on the website you used for a source

Cops killed 2016
9/11 related illness: 1
Aircraft accident: 1
Animal related: 1
Automobile accident: 9
Gunfire: 28
Gunfire (Accidental): 1
Heart attack: 4
Motorcycle accident: 3
Struck by vehicle: 2
Vehicle pursuit: 3
Vehicular assault: 9

But you only counted gun fire. What about the 9 cops killed by vehicular assault? Those count as murder, most of the rest are classified differently.

Ok we'll move on from gunfire to being hit by cars. Then maybe you can tell me where you got your 71% from, eh?

Vehicular Assault:

Paul Clark died from an injury sustained in 2015 by a white male.

Kyle Elahi was hit by a drunk driver. (unintentional)

Endy Nddiobong Ekpanya was killed when he was hit head on by a drunk driver. (unintentional)

Natasha Maria Hunter was killed when she was hit by a drunk driver. (unintentional)

Verdell Smith was struck and killed by a vehicle whose driver had been involved in a triple shooting approximately 30 minutes earlier. Black male

Susan Louise Farrell was killed when a drunk driver going the wrong way hit her and her partner head on. (unintentional)

Carlos Puente-Moraleswas Susan's partner who was also killed in the head on crash by drunk driver. (unintentional)

John Kotfila was killed in a head-on collision with a vehicle that was driving the wrong direction on the Selmon Expressway. (unintentional)

Scott McGuire succumbed to injuries sustained nine days earlier when he and another agent were struck by a drunk driver. (unintentional)

Would you like to move the goalposts further or can you prove, now, where your 71% of cops killed in cold blooded murder were killed by whites?

You forgot to mention those ALLEGEDLY "unintentional" killings of police were done by white males.

No, they weren't murdered in cold blood. I didn't forget anything. If you'd like to look up each and every story, go ahead. I only looked up the two that weren't done by drunk drivers. You're trying to find stats that fit your narrative when there aren't any left to fit it. I've done all the research, it's complete. 71% is nowhere close to the flamebait thread you started about whites killing police in 2016.

originally posted by: theySeeme

originally posted by: LSU0408
a reply to: neo96

OP thought he'd prove a point that whites have been responsible for 71% of the cold blooded murder of police. I don't know where he went to school or if he graduated, but 15 out of 32 is 46.8%... 11 out of 32 is 34.4%... And 4 out of 32 is 12.5%...

Even if his ignorant anti-white source counted Mexicans as whites, that makes up 59.4%, or 19 out of the 32.

Why is it that on your source, 9 officer deaths classified as VEHICULAR ASSAULT, yet you are calling them random accidents? They are victims of ASSAULT, it says so right there on your source. They have a classification for Vehicular accidents as well, those 9 officers are not in that class, according to your very source.

Thank you.

Those drunk driving incidents weren't people targeting police. Of the two that didn't involve drunk driving, one black and one white were responsible for killing a police officer.

For instance, Chau Thai Nguyen was the guy who was driving drunk and hit Natasha Hunter. He was a 3' 11" tall Asian that was about to graduate from Xavier University College of Pharmacy. He had no intentions of ramming his vehicle into a cop. Natasha was beautiful, bright, and loved by everyone. Point is, drunk driving crashes into cops aren't usually done on purpose so I'm not going to count the race of the driver.

a reply to: theySeeme

YOU are saying whites are more violent in your OP. YOU are making this us vs them. Not me.

originally posted by: LSU0408

originally posted by: theySeeme

originally posted by: Winstonian
a reply to: theySeeme

It's funny how people whine about crime, and then beg the police to patrol areas more while screaming to increase the police power in the country. I also find it funny that these same people then whine about the fact that these areas end up producing more arrests and stops.

So which is it? Do we send more police into high crime areas, which often times have large minority populations?

Or do we leave those areas to rot? Isn't that part of the accusation? Isn't that what we hear all the time, that we are not doing enough to help the high crime impoverished areas?

Drives me NUTS watching everyone BLAMING the government, and then BEGGING for more government.

I bet that 90% of the BLM folks will be voting Democrat as usual, who have historically shown not to give a crap about minorities and poor people.

Take your check and shut up until it's time to vote, that's when they really like to use the poor minority demographic.

Well let's see, if the racist history of America is of any proof - it seems that the police were going to black communities and making arrests before there was even a crime epidemic. That's right, after the slaves were freed and black communities established themselves, they were harassed by the racist police force constantly, shot, stabbed, burned, lynched, you name it. Fathers were taken from their sons, from their wives - from their entire family. That stress passed down a few generations, generations which were assaulted by the same racist mentality - and look what we have as a result today.

The black community started off fine, as freed slaves. The police came in when they weren't needed, and created the problem we have today.

Fact.

Yeah. Right. The police geared up and increased dramatically in the 90's under Bill Clinton to stop gangs, violence in the hood, and drugs. That's why so many blacks are arrested. What sense would it make to go to a decent neighborhood where there isn't any crime?

I don't know, you really need to ask those cops from those eras. What sense would it make to hang an innocent man in a tree because his skin was dark? It doesn't make much sense, but many including law enforcement were doing it not too long ago. Many were killing children for whistling. Doesn't make much sense, but it happens.

originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: theySeeme

YOU are saying whites are more violent in your OP. YOU are making this us vs them. Not me.

No, you are interpreting it that way. I simply said that according to the fbi white people kill more police officers as of late. I never said they are more violent, that's just what you are gathering from the data.

Don't worry, I gather the same, but I didn't say that at all in this topic.

originally posted by: LSU0408

originally posted by: theySeeme

originally posted by: LSU0408
a reply to: neo96

OP thought he'd prove a point that whites have been responsible for 71% of the cold blooded murder of police. I don't know where he went to school or if he graduated, but 15 out of 32 is 46.8%... 11 out of 32 is 34.4%... And 4 out of 32 is 12.5%...

Even if his ignorant anti-white source counted Mexicans as whites, that makes up 59.4%, or 19 out of the 32.

Why is it that on your source, 9 officer deaths classified as VEHICULAR ASSAULT, yet you are calling them random accidents? They are victims of ASSAULT, it says so right there on your source. They have a classification for Vehicular accidents as well, those 9 officers are not in that class, according to your very source.

Thank you.

Those drunk driving incidents weren't people targeting police. Of the two that didn't involve drunk driving, one black and one white were responsible for killing a police officer.

For instance, Chau Thai Nguyen was the guy who was driving drunk and hit Natasha Hunter. He was a 3' 11" tall Asian that was about to graduate from Xavier University College of Pharmacy. He had no intentions of ramming his vehicle into a cop. Natasha was beautiful, bright, and loved by everyone. Point is, drunk driving crashes into cops aren't usually done on purpose so I'm not going to count the race of the driver.

Those drunk driving incidents were involuntary manslaughter of a police officer while in the commission of another felony - DUI. They were committing two felonies, according to the law, and possibly more depending on circumstances of their case. Secondly the only of the 9 to be killed by other than white is an african-american, and I have no idea why you bring this up?

originally posted by: theySeeme

originally posted by: LSU0408

originally posted by: theySeeme

originally posted by: LSU0408

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: Unity_99

This deletes the thread. Seriously. This is the facts. So the author of this "media enriched tale" was making something up.

It should be in the HOAX or LOL forums.

Any publicly available information will show the title of the OP to be true. You would have to prove it to not be true to claim the thread is a hoax or an LOL.

I've already proven it with a source that updates the death of police daily. The OP is using a fabricated source.

And lastly, your incomplete research confirms the thread title. Thank you for your reeasrch. According to your research, white people kill more cops, despite being stopped less. That's what this topic is about.

Nah, this topic is about 71% of whites killing cops in cold blooded murder. Don't try to change the subject just because you've been proven wrong. 4 more whites have killed cops in cold blood this year. FOUR.

Stats fluctuate because time is passing. Had I made this topic back in February, where 8 cops were killed at that point, 7 of those cops were killed by white people.

7 out of 8 cops were killed by whites by the end of February 2016
that is about 87%, which is close to the 80% trend from 2014, and the 71.6% trend later on this year, until Dallas.

The stats only vary from about 10% here and there, higher or lower depending on the time of the year.

Yeah yeah yeah... And if we cherry pick stats from March 31 to present, we had 7 officers killed by blacks, 4 killed by whites, and 3 killed by Hispanics. And every cop that was slain was white.

originally posted by: LSU0408

originally posted by: theySeeme

originally posted by: LSU0408

originally posted by: theySeeme

originally posted by: LSU0408

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: Unity_99

This deletes the thread. Seriously. This is the facts. So the author of this "media enriched tale" was making something up.

It should be in the HOAX or LOL forums.

Any publicly available information will show the title of the OP to be true. You would have to prove it to not be true to claim the thread is a hoax or an LOL.

I've already proven it with a source that updates the death of police daily. The OP is using a fabricated source.

And lastly, your incomplete research confirms the thread title. Thank you for your reeasrch. According to your research, white people kill more cops, despite being stopped less. That's what this topic is about.

Nah, this topic is about 71% of whites killing cops in cold blooded murder. Don't try to change the subject just because you've been proven wrong. 4 more whites have killed cops in cold blood this year. FOUR.

Stats fluctuate because time is passing. Had I made this topic back in February, where 8 cops were killed at that point, 7 of those cops were killed by white people.

7 out of 8 cops were killed by whites by the end of February 2016
that is about 87%, which is close to the 80% trend from 2014, and the 71.6% trend later on this year, until Dallas.

The stats only vary from about 10% here and there, higher or lower depending on the time of the year.

Yeah yeah yeah... And if we cherry pick stats from March 31 to present, we had 7 officers killed by blacks, 4 killed by whites, and 3 killed by Hispanics. And every cop that was slain was white.

But instead, we don't cherry pick, we look at the total. That's how logic works, my friend.

originally posted by: theySeeme

originally posted by: LSU0408

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: theySeeme

originally posted by: anton74

originally posted by: theySeeme

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: theySeeme

"Despite being stopped the least amount of times, white PEOPLE have murdered the most cops this year"

This is your title but your content is relevant to white MALES. I am getting sick and tired of getting lumped in with white males, tbh.

Happens all the time.

Today I read how Megyn Kelly, as a privileged white woman, was in no position to contribute to the subject of racism. Even though that woman has had more hateful misogyny thrown her way, in the last year, than most women in the public eye. Perhaps, she could draw on those experiences when discussing racism.

One in four women are sexually assaulted in her lifetime and I hear far too much about how priveledged we are. We aren't. We do face adversity and hate. And there is no room to even talk about it because racism seems to be the only discrimination that matters.

I think you should change your title.

Sorry, I refuse to conform by sugar coating because some people are hurt by the truth. The truth is what sets us free.

Washington Post

Thank you, this article (with older data) confirms the topic's title - white people are killing more cops despite being stopped less when compared to any other group, grossly disproportionate.

MALES are killing more cops. MALES.

Black and white males are killing more cops than women. There's some truth.

According to my source, which is 100% accurate, all of the deaths have come at the hands of males. None have been females this year.

If your stats are 100% accurate, those 9 cops killed by VEHICULAR ASSAULT (these cops were victims of assault) would be listed in your count. In all 9 of those cases, the person ARRESTED for vehicular manslaughter of a police officer was white. That is a fact according to your 100% accurate source, it's right there on their website.

Do you even try? I'd love to see your sources. I'll post the first three I looked for.

Chau Thai Nguyen isn't white. www.wwltv.com...

Justin Welch isn't white. www.wmcactionnews5.com...

Donald Hornsey IS white. www.stltoday.com... e97140c67.html


So there's one so far out of the nine. If you're going to debate me, at least put some effort into it. Even if all nine were white, your numbers don't add up to 71%.

originally posted by: theySeeme

originally posted by: LSU0408

originally posted by: theySeeme

originally posted by: Falenor

originally posted by: theySeeme

originally posted by: avgguy
So white people kill 70% of cops but make up 70% of the population and blacks kill 30 percent of cops and make up only 13% of the population. What am I missing other than your sources?

What you are missing is that

White people make up 70% of the population, but are stopped the least amount of times.

Despite being stopped the least amount of times, this group has killed the most amount of cops.

Get it now?

The group with the highest population comes into contact with the police the least amount of times, but has killed the most officers. That's an epidemic.

But cops aren't pulling whites, blacks, or anyone over in search of cop killers, are they ? Of the thousands or if not 10's of thousands off stops its for road infractions(I assume you mean traffic stops), searches, potential stolen property etc. They aren't pulling them over for one of these 42 cop killers, I don't think you can correlate these two facts you've supplied as they don't really have anything to do with each other.

As well it would be interesting to see the stats for previous years as per the race of cop killers, are they the same as you claim for the first 1/2 of this year ?

A bit different, for all of 2013 for example, 27 cops were killed 15 of the alleged offenders were white, 11 were black, and race was not reported for 2 offenders. SOURCE: FBI - www.fbi.gov...

But one trend remains - in each year, white people interacted with police less than minorities, but killed the most cops despite running into them less. This specific trend based on the data has been going on for over 20 years.

Despite this epidemic, the media paints the face of a cop killer as a minority, even though cops are much much much more likely to be killed at the hands of a white person. What's scary is that if cops stopped white people at the same rate they stopped minorities, we'd have hundreds of cops dead this year alone, based on the data. It's probably a good thing white people are not harassed as much, we'd have no one left to protect us if they were.

Everybody run! Between whites and blacks killing police, there were four more whites than blacks. Out of 245 million whites, four more killed cops in 2013, and 2016 so far. And four less out of 39 million blacks have killed cops.

Ad hominem. This is the usual reaction when facts cause someone's brain to shut down, literally caving in from the pressure of not being able to handle the truth.

I've given you the truth by finding every officer killed in cold blood in 2016, and put more research into each one of them than a professional journalist. This experience has shed light on the lack of work these lazy ass journalists like the ones in the OP source actually put out. Like you, they make absolutely no attempt to find the truth about the ridiculous race baiting bull# they try to spread around. It took me less than two hours to find every cop that was killed in cold blood in 2016 and find the name and race of the person responsible.

originally posted by: theySeeme
a reply to: LSU0408

You didn't want to keep going?

Let's stick to the variables of the topic we are discussing, not outside behaviors -

You first. I notice you listed those same stats a couple pages back, but failed to put two and two together on the prior arrest records.

a reply to: odzeandennz

I can answer that. The percentage of black on black homicides is 90%.

However the percentage of white on white homicides is 82% - only slightly lower.

This is relevant to point out because homicide victims most often know their attackers and those attackers tend to come from the same close community. This explains why people tend to be killed more often by people with similar demographic traits.

Sadly certain voices in the media currently only want to mention one of those two statistics because fear sells a lot of advertising - where logic is far less sensational.