Immortal man

Poems relevant too Siddhar practise


" In Shakti's temple = Human body
if you control
the left & the right = Left and Right eyes
you can hear a lute
in the center of your face. = Hypothalamus
And Shiva will come out
dancing sweetly.
I swear upon Sada Nandi
we have spoken the truth." - Tirumular

" Left hand = Left eye
Right hand = Right eye
Both hands...
Change!!!
He who eats
with the hand of worship = Penance practise using the eyes
need not be depleted.
The conscious ones = Have Magnetoreception
capable of abandoning sleep = like birds
need not die...
they can live forever." - Tirumular

Magnetoreception

" the retinas in particular have been theorized to serve as magnetoreceptors "
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...


Theekshai =

" Activation of cryptochrome may affect the light-sensitivity of retinal neurons, with the overall result that the bird can "see" the magnetic field. "

" The conscious ones "

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

The whole thing about not eating pork is likely a literal interpretationmisinterpreted as language barriers causing communication issues in decribing teachings or reality food was a common thing physical and spritual food. The wheel of life has been around a long time... the pig is a representation the cock or chicken a respesentation and the snake a respresentation. So if a teacher said do not eat the pig and the student knew it mean ignorance or delusion then it worked fine but in the game of telephone and misinterpretation on just looking and said this causes suffering and some one saw the pig, cock and snake... well dont eat the pig, sacrifice the cock(greed), and kill the snake(hatred or aversion)

Then you can see why some places in passing teaching along on contact developed dont literally eat pork, sacrfice chickens, and hunt down and kill the snake.

This just means a lot of religional adaptations have borrowed wrongly in understanding that was supposed to be figurative metaphorical and not literal.

Various ones against pork, various ones scarficing chickens, and well snake destroyed most of the texts in the Christian crusades of South America as the snake figured heavily in their pictoghraphy or language of writing associating the snake or serpent as literally the devil itself when ignorance or the pig became the devil burning the texts...

There are connections between all of the borrowed things if one wants to dig look at the oldest religions found see the connections in creation mythos most all once said the sky was solid btw which is strange meaning possibly domes of course that could be literal or we could be a breakaway cizvilization from another place...

of course none of that reaching in not knowing is important as when the present presents itself as a finding in that time and space the world finds out, no one can know until then and if they do and hold it well its simply to perpetuate eating pork is bad, the chicken is good to bbq and the snake is ol satan when they are simply greed, hate and delusion causing us to crawl in the primordial arguments instead of walking as simply umanity towards better.

a reply to: BigBrotherDarkness

" 3 monkeys of hear no evil, see no evil, and speak no evil "

it is not like that

An analogue
A coiled rope in the dark
mistaken for a snake
turn on the light
and you see its just a rope
negation

not picking

The rope we made just the right length to hang ourselves in greed, hate, and ignorance of attachment instead of awakening... by letting every single thing and person selfish go, and point from a side hopefully more awaken and see before its not too late, life is short on that side... even though it appears as the same world it isnt.

If we consider immortality, then it follows that one must also consider the opposite; mortality.

I have sat in shopping malls and watched the faces of the people walking by. There is something that I find disturbing in the people walking by.

Looking at the faces of children one sees they are carefree, they are animated.

Looking at the faces of teenagers, there are fewer ones who are carefree and with animation.

People in their twenties and thirties, their faces are often set in an expression, the animation surfaces occassionally.

When I look at the elderly, it is as if they are petrifying.

I have pondered this for years. Why do people become so set in their ways and in their expressions?

Perhaps one might look at it this way:

When we are born our mind is formless, as we are educated in life by parents and society we build containers for our minds. Philosophical containers, self perception containers. We are contained by external containers such as the nationalistic, religious, family expectations. Etc.. Etc..

I wonder if it is these containers that catch us and gradually paralyse us over time. I wonder too, how much energy they take from us, how much life they use in order to exist themselves.

I have often thought the higher worlds may exist by virtue of taking from the worlds of life.

Perhaps the price of knowledge is mortality.

originally posted by: Whatsthisthen

Perhaps the price of knowledge is mortality.

Seems quite close to the truth.

Conditioning and expectations appear to play a major part in aging, IMHO

a reply to: Whatsthisthen

Creative force is always going to occur humans or not animals or not... planets are forming with the creative force in nature combining and recombining matter. Unless we choose to make something matter in intention? How are we any different... it is what it is.

With intent positive or negative? We make it something else.

a reply to: crowdedskies

Yes, even if one did not live longer, one would live happier and more carefree.

a reply to: BigBrotherDarkness

Good point bigbrotherdarkness, to be mortal is in the nature of things.

And as being in the nature of things, would not mortality be the accepted norm, as it is accepted that the sky is blue?

I wonder, for humans to have the preoccupation with immortality that they do, suggssts an envy or jealously as it's basis. Afterall, it is generally when something is seen belonging to another that desire is ignited in humans.

If so, then would this not point to immortal people existing in the past?

a reply to: Whatsthisthen

Sky blue... meaning concepts of "Sky" and "Blue" as representations for an "it".

We can wander and wonder all we want to infinity unless sliding along the edge of Ocaams razor long enough to believe any of it.

Separate not separate. We are nature itself the concept is the dividing line that all our life trickles out from.

a reply to: BigBrotherDarkness

Sky blue... meaning concepts of "Sky" and "Blue" as representations for an "it".

Yes, the acceptance of mortality being as normal as day and night.

We can wander and wonder all we want to infinity unless sliding along the edge of Ocaams razor long enough to believe any of it.

Infinity . . . .

Does infinity exist in this world of mortality in which we live?

Our world is defined by limitation.

If an infinity exists it is in some other world, and can infinity exist within a container such as a world?

a reply to: Whatsthisthen

Is the word a concept or a reality? If we agree that a concept is reality then so it is... yet at the same time it is not. This is not a hurdle philosophical thinking or any thinking can leap over.

a reply to: BigBrotherDarkness

Your right of course, the mind cannot overcome some things.

a reply to: Whatsthisthen

Well where you place it there it is... of course if what you look at has no concept in emptiness... and is simply seen as form; then it is, and yet it is not... simultainiously.

So if you look at an object do you think what it is? Or is it just what it is?

One fine practice one can do with a friend to reach emptiness on an object is to sit there, and name back and forth all possibilities of the object possible. Eventually both will find the object simply an object with no other thing arising... of course all things will be of the very same nature... then if you look at that object later it is and it isnt all of those things... so the mind has no need to label such and where could you possibly place it when every form is emptiness? It is just the mind unbound, and undiffentiated in experience of form... of course that is to achieve clear seeing... there are 4 other senses to perfect.

But at such stage of one conquered it is concidered full enlightenment as detachment continues unbated regardless of practice or not... it simply arises and passes, arises and passes... and it simply is and needs no definition, name or form for being to occur, such is the state of nirvana when one detaches from form it will be the full culmination of buddhahood yet no different than that of buddhahood already, yet it is taken as form... it is not oneself but simply an arisings of concepts people accept, expect, and assume are reality.

So in empathy, one points the way the best they can with a lamp that has no light to shed anothers darkness. If one at such a stage has a form that can be experienced, it is only due to others attachments... those attachments can be very painful, or very happy in nature but it is not an experience one themselves feel it is the feeling of others no oneself yet are oneself because they are responsible for your existence maintaining form...

Of course many times they need redemption or whatever to make peace as if one has died and it is only how they remember you that gives rise to ones manifestation... if one has said a finality then there is nothing left to be said, and ones karma becomes their own fruit. Of course that does not mean they will not think about one having thus gone, until they have gone. Of course they continually seal their fate by their karma with each interaction by their intent for it's manifestation.

So bound by others? One may as well be a ghost and the only chains rattling are their own as it is their responsibility to take to the task and free themselves from the suffereing they continually produce and cultivate. So immortality can be achieved and yet it is no different than being what people want or expect... but of course some manifestations are not oneself so one can exist everywhere and yet no where all at the same time. But with clear seeing and no coming and going? Which manifestation is real... it's like being an imaginary friend yet not so imaginary in the infinite universe... when there is a time for the real one to manifest it does, the order is of course by and to those with the stringest attachments... obviously, family and friends that one has previously met before such a time as another person knows them in said space and time... even though it may already occur as an emmination in the future real or imagined? The possibility exists... so if the emmination is desired for violence then they get to act out their violence so they can achieve some sort of happiness on a thought form they created in the first place, no more real than the conceptual people are already attached to as a being.

Of course when one chooses to go somewhere by volition they can take whatever form or do take whatever form people most expect or one self chosen... this actually occurs in many people not even aware of it even existing... in such a manner one can know all parts of someone in relation to others as a facet instead of a whole, yet see the whole... some may concider such omnipotience, but since such a thing is conceptual attachments... it is an abuse of power or siddhi one must lay down as a subtle attachment to form... this of course can be chosen as the bodhisattva path. I consider The Dalai Lama one of my spiritual teachers so of course there is teaching of that path to learn such that arises and of course there is my abbot but his path is different in tradition and does not seek to be a bodhisattva but is an arhat so... I'm just riding along in my automobile.

a reply to: BigBrotherDarkness

A question bigbrotherdarkness:

If you were to stand beside me and view the things you write about, what would you see?

a reply to: Whatsthisthen

You standing beside me and other matter that need no comprhension unless discussed as a matter.

A nice little story


"a yogi came down to Kanjamalai with his aged discipile with the intention of obtaining eternal youth through yogic practices. He left his disciple in charge of cooking his food, and went out to the rich jungle, in search of medicinal herbs. The devoted disciple, stirred the pot of boiling rice with a stick found nearby and to his horror found the rice turning black. Afraid of serving the blackened rice to his guru, he consumed it himself - and to his utter amazement attained a youthful form.

The guru, convinced of the magical powers of the stick which had been used to stir the rice, searched for it, and to his horror discovered that the disciple had thrown it into the fire. He caused the disciple to vomit out the rice that he had consumed, and consumed it himself and also attained an eternally youthful form. "

Nice video by Yogiraj Siddhanath
explaining his take on immortality

originally posted by: Whatsthisthen
a reply to: BigBrotherDarkness

Good point bigbrotherdarkness, to be mortal is in the nature of things.

And as being in the nature of things, would not mortality be the accepted norm, as it is accepted that the sky is blue?

I wonder, for humans to have the preoccupation with immortality that they do, suggssts an envy or jealously as it's basis. Afterall, it is generally when something is seen belonging to another that desire is ignited in humans.

If so, then would this not point to immortal people existing in the past?

Seeing this again as a new experience, we are already immortal in how everything that arises also passes... and we simply remove one eye with belief and then lose the other trying to reclaim one lost from that belief.

In such a manner the eye for an eye does leave the whole world blind... experiences arising and passing when seen with the minds eye requires not even sight... a moment of awareness and being of a gentle breeze on the skin and hearing it rustling leaves brings a oneness of the 3 no different and in such a joyous embrace when noticed... the sad thing is, is how all of this goes from being un-noticed and focus drifts into matters complicated and unsolved for 1000s of years... yet when seeing with the skin the very wind and the rustle of leaves tickling your ears in affirmation of that experience, there's just that knowing that we beyond such attachments can never be separated, and yet that compulsion to divide and separate still arises and goes on...

Using our expression of this to point out the simplistic beauty that is continually arising once aware of it without cease... I can't think of any better purpose in ones mode of being, it eases all suffering at least for a moment in it's pointing.

That's something we all can do, and often do it's easy to forget that when people use the moment to point at the worst expressions humanity shows.

Sometimes I think it's thinking that will somehow stop the worst expressions... pointing at it so it has no place to hide, yet at some point if it were to cease and be forgotten then the very pointing at it is what could be cause for it to rise again...

To me that is a paradox in where one could help be a liberator of worlds or destructor of worlds in the ignorance of not knowing.

Children do not know what death is until they experience the concept of it... it seems thats when the magic of life seems to die too, the realization that things can end and will no matter how much you love something, and in that moment fear and grasping take hold... until theres an acceptance that there really is no separation of the two, and there is realization that once free nothing is ever apart or lost... but everything and everyone is family and beautiful and needs nothing else to be perfect in and of itself in the moment it arises.

a reply to: BigBrotherDarkness

you can find heaven in a jar
you are a piece of heaven
you really are
what were we before all of this
we were source
what will we be after all of this
gone of course

by Valentinus



“To know one's nature is to know heaven,” - Mencius

but everything and everyone is family

we are all brothers and sisters