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originally posted by: Harvin
Dude seriously, this is becoming an exercise in stupidity. I really thought my previous post was clear enough. But then i should not make myself so smart since i am sitting here arguing with you and not writing a book to satiate people like yourself. It does not seem to be too difficult either.
originally posted by: charlyv
But, Old or New Testament, the discussion of how much more violent one is over the other in the same context as the peace and love they portend as a reason for their existence, is the ultimate conundrum for me. You can believe in God, without any of it.
originally posted by: infolurker
originally posted by: 23432
originally posted by: infolurker
originally posted by: 23432
Christianity is more violent then Koran because Bible has been altered by men kind.
Original Christianity is lost long ago and has been replaced by men's text .
If Christianty didn't loose it's ways , God would have no need to send Islam .
LOL, that is a good one.
Madman Mohammad was sent by God to start Islam. Hell dude, even he thought he was talking to demons and going insane. First impressions are usually right.
“Trembling, he went out of the cave onto the hillside, not knowing what had happened to him, and afraid he must be a sha’ir or possessed.” 3
How convenient that he could read during this vision. And how strange that he would come away thinking that he was DEMON POSSESSED. You will never find an example of a prophet of God receiving a message from God only to wonder if he was full of the devil. But Muhammad was so convinced of the fact that he was possessed by demons that he contemplated suicide!
maybe stick to topic ?
Bible is more violent than the Koran .
Yes it is , because Bible has been altered by men .
God is far more mercifull in reality as it attested by Koran . Men is wicked and it shows in the altered Bible .
OK, Let's agree to disagree.
You think the Bible was altered by Man. I think it is not since numerous bible codes, the Septuigent, and many others pretty much show it is the same.
I think the Koran is either a work of total fiction from a Madman who replicated versions of some stories from the bible and Talmud a few centuries later or is the inspired word of the demons in his damned head which would explain his lust for a religion of the flesh, by the flesh, and rewards his followers with sins of the flesh.
To compare the Koran's laws of earthy pleasures and sins of the flesh as holy to the bible is ridiculous in itself.
We all know who owns this world and rewards their followers with the sins of this world don't we?
The kingdom of Christ is not of this world. The Kingdom of Mohammad is, by any means necessary. Think about that.
If your brand is loosing market share, maybe you need to reinvent and improve your brand/flavor.
The West versus the Rest[edit]
Huntington suggests that in the future the central axis of world politics tends to be the conflict between Western and non-Western civilizations, in Kishore Mahbubani's phrase, the conflict between "the West and the Rest." He offers three forms of general actions that non-Western civilization can take in response to Western countries.[11]
Non-Western countries can attempt to achieve isolation in order to preserve their own values and protect themselves from Western invasion. However, Huntington argues that the costs of this action are high and only a few states can pursue it.
According to the theory of "band-wagoning" non-Western countries can join and accept Western values.
Non-Western countries can make an effort to balance Western power through modernization. They can develop economic, military power and cooperate with other non-Western countries against the West while still preserving their own values and institutions. Huntington believes that the increasing power of non-Western civilizations in international society will make the West begin to develop a better understanding of the cultural fundamentals underlying other civilizations. Therefore, Western civilization will cease to be regarded as "universal" but different civilizations will learn to coexist and join to shape the future world.
Core state and fault line conflicts[edit]
Originally published in March 2007:
“We’re going to take out seven countries in 5 years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran” –
General Wesley Clark. Retired 4-star U.S. Army general, Supreme Allied Commander of NATO during the 1999 War on Yugoslavia .
It described the United States as the "world's pre-eminent power," and said that the nation faced a challenge to "shape a new century favorable to American principles and interests." In order to achieve this goal, the statement's signers called for significant increases in defense spending, and for the promotion of "political and economic freedom abroad." It said the United States should strengthen ties with its democratic allies, "challenge regimes hostile to our interests and values,"
originally posted by: mOjOm
originally posted by: Harvin
Dude seriously, this is becoming an exercise in stupidity. I really thought my previous post was clear enough. But then i should not make myself so smart since i am sitting here arguing with you and not writing a book to satiate people like yourself. It does not seem to be too difficult either.
Don't "dude seriously" me Harvin. You're calling me stupid and you're the one asking what I mean when I say "use it". What the F*ck do you think I mean??? How many ways can you interpret the phrase "use it"???
Don't get pissed at me because you need me to define the word "use" for you. Playing semantic word games isn't going to win this argument for you so I'd advise trying a little harder and avoid the personal insults.
You need to come to grips with that rather than keep apologizing for it and pretending it does not exist
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teachings of the New Testament, not the Old.
It's not convenient for their argument
originally posted by: Harvin
That is because you get too excited and dont think things through, if you did we would not be having this discussion. I never called you stupid and what makes you think I am "pissed" at you? I think you are getting frustrated because you cannot say what you really want to...
originally posted by: introvert
Just an observation that may be off topic:
I've attended many churches and services over the years and while I've heard many preachers and priests opine about the evils of homosexuality through the book of Leviticus, no one seems too concerned about snacking on shrimp at church functions....also an abomination according to Leviticus.
It seems we like to pick and choose what passages to quote when trying to make a political point (yes, it's a political point) against a religion other than our own, but fail to be consistent in recognizing the fallacies in our own religious texts.
Hypocrisy?
Jesus is loved by both Christians and Muslums, he would not turn his back on either
originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: NthOther
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teachings of the New Testament, not the Old.
It's not convenient for their argument
You forget that Peter was armed in Gethsemene and that it took a "cohort" of Romans trying to quell the rebellion...its in the New Testament if you care to look
Islam encompasses all aspects of society including:
belief and ritual worship
economic transactions
contracts
morals and manners
crime and punishment
There is no separation of church and state.
Democratic/representative forms of government are abominations.
Criticism of Allah, Muhammad and their system is punished by death.
Islamic law is being practiced in Britain and demands for it are being made in Europe.
Shari'ah permits:
wife beating
honor killing
blood money
an eye for an eye, literally.
Shari'ah mandates:
corporal punishment
hand amputation for theft
lashing for drinking and gambling
death for:
queers
apostates
adulterers
critics of:
Allah
Muhammad
Qur'an
Islam
originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: Willtell
Healing, REALLY?
the-militant-atheist.org...
Islam encompasses all aspects of society including:
belief and ritual worship
economic transactions
contracts
morals and manners
crime and punishment
There is no separation of church and state.
Democratic/representative forms of government are abominations.
Criticism of Allah, Muhammad and their system is punished by death.
Islamic law is being practiced in Britain and demands for it are being made in Europe.
Shari'ah permits:
wife beating
honor killing
blood money
an eye for an eye, literally.
Shari'ah mandates:
corporal punishment
hand amputation for theft
lashing for drinking and gambling
death for:
queers
apostates
adulterers
critics of:
Allah
Muhammad
Qur'an
Islam
ISIS members receive additional incentives to fight for the group. “I rented a house, which was paid for by ISIS,” Abu Khaled, who worked for ISIS’s internal security forces and “provided training for foreign operatives,” told Weiss. “It cost $US50 per month. They paid for the house, the electricity. Plus, I was married, so I got an additional $US50 per month for my wife. If you have kids, you get $US35 for each. If you have parents, they pay $US50 for each parent. This is a welfare state.”
link
What does have to do with the Old Testament?
originally posted by: 23432
originally posted by: infolurker
originally posted by: 23432
Christianity is more violent then Koran because Bible has been altered by men kind.
Original Christianity is lost long ago and has been replaced by men's text .
If Christianty didn't loose it's ways , God would have no need to send Islam .
LOL, that is a good one.
Madman Mohammad was sent by God to start Islam. Hell dude, even he thought he was talking to demons and going insane. First impressions are usually right.
“Trembling, he went out of the cave onto the hillside, not knowing what had happened to him, and afraid he must be a sha’ir or possessed.” 3
How convenient that he could read during this vision. And how strange that he would come away thinking that he was DEMON POSSESSED. You will never find an example of a prophet of God receiving a message from God only to wonder if he was full of the devil. But Muhammad was so convinced of the fact that he was possessed by demons that he contemplated suicide!
maybe stick to topic ?
Bible is more violent than the Koran .
Yes it is , because Bible has been altered by men .
God is far more mercifull in reality as it attested by Koran . Men is wicked and it shows in the altered Bible .