Immigration Reverse! More Mexicans Are Leaving U.S. Than Coming In

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
U.S. deportations of immigrants reach record high in 2013

Those numbers aren't telling the whole story. The administration is counting those turned away at the border as "deportations". However, true deportations of illegals who are already here are actually down 40%. It used to be that those caught at the border were not considered deportations, but they are now as it creates a record of the individual. I don't necessarily disagree, but it is misleading to claim the administration is deporting more than ever.

Pew Research Study

From the article:

But the portrait of a steadily increasing number of deportations rests on statistics that conceal almost as much as they disclose. A closer examination shows that immigrants living illegally in most of the continental U.S. are less likely to be deported today than before Obama came to office, according to immigration data.

Expulsions of people who are settled and working in the United States have fallen steadily since his first year in office, and are down more than 40% since 2009.

Next...

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
Oh sure we can totally secure it more, but here's the thing. We are going to run into the law of diminishing returns. We'll have to put in considerably more and more effort and money into securing smaller and smaller amounts of the border. Eventually we have to look at it and just say, "enough is enough." Let's explore non-physical avenues to reduce illegal immigration.

The thing is we are not even close to that point. With a more rational immigration plan we can get a much better return on the portions that require attention as the influx would be much less than what it is now.

a reply to: network dude

Maybe because Obama wanted to compromise with Republican rhetoric so they stop hounding him about deporting illegals? I mean we've been hearing about how Obama wanted to let tons of illegals into the country for years. So Obama was clearly trying to prove them wrong. I mean that is obvious to anyone paying attention.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
Well this thread proves to me that Republicans aren't really about smaller government...

Well this thread proves to me that Obama's economy is failing so hard that his precious illegals are leaving in droves.

You put the numbers up there yourself.
16,000,000 - 140,000 = 15,860,000 is only a .875% reduction of the total.
No remark on the subject of immigration though.
The guitarist for Rammstein released a solo album that he called, "Emigrate" if that helps you any.

a reply to: Edumakated

I noticed this from your source:

Now, the vast majority of border crossers who are apprehended get fingerprinted and formally deported. The change began during the George W. Bush administration and accelerated under Obama. The policy stemmed in part from a desire to ensure that people who had crossed into the country illegally would have formal charges on their records.

This police began under Bush.

In the Obama years, all of the increase in deportations has involved people picked up within 100 miles of the border, most of whom have just recently crossed over. In 2013, almost two-thirds of deportations were in that category.

So technically they are still illegals then.

At the same time, the administration largely ended immigration roundups at workplaces and shifted investigators into targeting business owners who illegally hired foreign workers.

OMG! Isn't that something that conservatives have been demanding of the government for a long time now?

"If you are a run-of-the-mill immigrant here illegally, your odds of getting deported are close to zero — it's just highly unlikely to happen," John Sandweg, until recently the acting director of Immigration and Customs Enforcement, said in an interview.

Even when immigration officials want to deport someone who already has settled in the country, doing so is "virtually impossible" because of a lengthy backlog in the immigration courts, Sandweg said. Once people who have no prior removals or convictions are placed in deportation proceedings, actually removing them from the country can take six years or more in some jurisdictions, Sandweg said.

a reply to: BIGPoJo

It's what you wanted right?

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: network dude

Maybe because Obama wanted to compromise with Republican rhetoric so they stop hounding him about deporting illegals? I mean we've been hearing about how Obama wanted to let tons of illegals into the country for years. So Obama was clearly trying to prove them wrong. I mean that is obvious to anyone paying attention.

I bet it's Bushs' fault.



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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
This police began under Bush.

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a reply to: Krazysh0t

The fact that amnesty is going to be nigh unto impossible to hammer through this Congress plus the fact that Donald Trump *could* be the next POTUS obviously has nothing to do with this exodus... we'll just write the facts leading up to this off as "Republican rhetoric." Riiiiight.


The flood into this country clearly expected their handouts and Kept Voter dowries by now and the fact that they are now leaving in frustration is at least one successful attempt at righting the country by the GOP. It ain't much, but with this government, every little bit we tax payers get to save us money deserves kudos.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: BIGPoJo

It's what you wanted right?

No, I want to be prosperous and NOT have the government take money that I earned and give it to people whom are not even citizens. I want the economy to work. I want people to work for their "fair share" instead of stealing it via the government. I want people who have been waiting in line to get in (quickly) and I want the people that cut in line to go back to their country of origin. What is so hard to understand about that? Does that make me a bad person? If so then I will continue being bad.

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a reply to: burdman30ott6

Nail on head. The handouts and free rides are over.

NY TIMES...6 months ago

"The analysis, by the Pew Research Center in Washington, noted that the flow of children not authorized to enter the United States had dropped precipitously, to 12,509, from October to February. The vast majority of the children were Central American.

That was down from 21,402 in the same period a year ago, amid a wave of children fleeing violence in their home countries and drawn by false promises of amnesty in the United States. That surge eventually prompted President Obama to declare an emergency."

If your not even letting kids in under amnesty....good luck being an adult. You also can't really use the split family defense than either.

a reply to: xuenchen

I'm with you...

The only illegals they would be able to count are the ones that they're escorting in. Unless there is some guy with a head counter of every person coming across the border, there is no way they would know how many are coming in. If they did, I would be even more concerned. That would mean that they always knew how many were coming in and border patrol wasn't doing anything other than watching and taking a head count.

They may also get a general idea by how many undocumented workers they found (and probably didn't do anything about... they obviously aren't now).

Still, no way to know how many illegals are here. Estimations... maybe.

I just want to see the round-up. It's already a Three Stooges Routine.

People are not being turned away.

My only issue is this is a dangerous world. Even Mexicans fear these bastards.

We as citizens of the United States. Deserve to know who resides in this Country.

Welcome, now get in line behind people obeying our Citizenship Requirements.

You don't have to leave unless you break our laws.

Breaking into my house (my country) isn't how I prefer to meet you.

But, since you are here.....What's your name ?

Reverse?

Reverse would be 12 million (conservative estimate) Americans currently illegaly living in Mexico and owning real estate property, getting drivers licenses, free health care and voting.

Reverse? There is actually a movie with that scenario probably on youtube 'Mexico 2000' (comedy and no subs))

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
We can apparently lay this at the feet of no jobs here for them.

Didn't you hear that the national unemployment rate is down to 5% ? That means there's plenty of jobs... right?

Good. That means less work for Trumps deportation squad aka law enforcement that does its job.

So increased border patrol and things like e-verify work?

sob stories of farm owners is always lol. How about they pay more or increase their capital equipment to reduce the amount of labor. depending on depressed wages from migrants...

Pipe This .....

Illegal immigrant population of the United States

Total entrance by unauthorized immigrants into the USA may have been as high as 1,500,000 per year in 2006 - with a net of at least 700,000 more unauthorized immigrants arriving each year to join the 12,000,000 to 20,000,000 that are already here in the USA