U.S. Delivers 50 Tons Of Ammunition To Syria Rebel Groups

originally posted by: TheBulk
Its int resting to me that Obama is never blamed for these policies. It's always "the us". During the Bush years it was always " the bush administration.....".

Criminals would never rat on themselves... would they?

a reply to: voyger2

Wrong. The FSA are freedom fighters.

originally posted by: Crumbles
a reply to: voyger2

Wrong. The FSA are freedom fighters.

Who makes that decision?

Why are they freedom fighters not terrorists? Cause Obama told you so?

If its walks like a terrorists, quacks like a terrorists, looks like a terrorist it is a terrorist.

originally posted by: Crumbles
a reply to: voyger2

Wrong. The FSA are freedom fighters.

Freedom fighters is a term used by American politicians and the MSM to justify regime change.

The facts are usually quite different then the fiction.

"35 Countries Where the U.S. Has Supported Fascists, Drug Lords and Terrorists"

www.alternet.org...

Freedom to pursue a facisist NWO maybe, but these mercenaries care about money, not freedom.

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: Crumbles
a reply to: voyger2

Wrong. The FSA are freedom fighters.

Who makes that decision?

Why are they freedom fighters not terrorists? Cause Obama told you so?

If its walks like a terrorists, quacks like a terrorists, looks like a terrorist it is a terrorist.

So, seeing that many of us here in the States have been declared to be domestic terrorists.....would it be too much to ask that we get air- dropped some 7.62 and 5.56 and just a sprinkling of .45 acp ??

originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: FormOfTheLord

I was under the impression that it was for the Kurds . So the US can pull another moderate rebel group out of it's hat ,and supply them with more arms which will create more targets for the Russians and will cause more people to head to Europe ... The US is going to have to come up with some other reason for why Asaud must go because the old excuse has died ....It's not about the people and never was ....

The US is neither an ally nor enemy to the Kurdish people. As examples, the US promised to help the Kurds get independence during Saddam's Iraq-Iran War. But when the Kurds started fighting, the US sat back & let Saddam massacre them. However, large parts of the "no fly zone" in Iraq under Clinton were over the Kurdish territory. So the West was helping them then.

But the Kurdish people have been fighting al-Qaeda, al Nusra, and ISIS for a long time. The US hasn't helped them during those fights. In fact, many of the "moderate" rebels are also fighting to take Kurdish lands.

And now, Turkey is fighting the Kurdish militants again. Turkey is a major part of NATO, supplying the 2nd most troops to NATO after only the US. Many of the "moderate rebels" Turkey was housing, training & supporting were coincidentally fighting the Kurds as well as fighting Assad. I won't be surprised if the recent bombings in Turkey are used as an excuse for Turkey (and maybe its NATO allies) to invade the Kurdish positions in Syria.

Here's a leaked link & video of Turkish officials discussing a false flag against Syria from last year. Turkey Wages War on Syria: Leaked Recording Confirms Turkish “False Flag” Attack

And here's the 15min video w/transcript of the discussion.

this is a nice set up for the U.S.'s next administration, the new terror threat for America's next cabinet will have roots Syria.

I cant wait to see what the next terrorist group the US government (creates) says we need to fight in 2017 !

i wonder what they'll name it?

the SHIR maybe?

What a day has arrived.......US air dropping ammo to AQ, FSA, Nusra types.

Were these not the forces against whom US was fighting in Iraq and Aghanistan few years back and spending $10B a month?

originally posted by: odzeandennz
this is a nice set up for the U.S.'s next administration, the new terror threat for America's next cabinet will have roots Syria.

I cant wait to see what the next terrorist group the US government (creates) says we need to fight in 2017 !

i wonder what they'll name it?

the SHIR maybe?

I'm going with OSIRIS (ISIS on steroids!!) or RAVANA (Rabid Atheists Vanquishing All Non-Atheists). The RAVANA leader will be some mysterious theoretical physicist that no one's heard of named Jimothy Wellingberg the 2nd. He'll promote the militant anti-theist mindset that all religions & religious people should be wiped out for world peace (yeah, mass murder for peace).

Then all actual atheists will fear retaliation & stigmatization. They'll be forced to denounce every RAVANA attack, as well as every incident where an atheist commits a crime, insults a religion, or even glares at someone. Agnostics, polytheists, & pagans will be victims of mistaken identity, and constantly have to plead for understanding that they're different from atheists.

Then the US will pass the "God & Country Act" which will throw out the 1st & 13th Amendments, plant RFID chips in all newborns, ban libraries & wikipedia, and guarantee an unlimited flow of nuclear arms to Israel. And anyone questioning the "God & Country Act" or what it has to do with fighting militant atheists will be seen as an "Athee loving traitor" (Athee will be the new slur against atheists). Oh & there will be drone strikes or vigilante attacks against Michio Kaku & Stephen Hawking for being RAVANA sympathizers. And the show "Myth Busters" will be erased from history just to be safe.

If USA Federal government decides to drop 100,000 pounds of ammunition to the Syrian rebels, and they don't have agents on the ground, how do they know who is receiving these ammunition's?

How do they know where to drop them?

One thing i find interesting is if this USA is supposedly a democracy why has there never been a vote to wartime activities? If the people cannot speak to say no war, then there will be war. If their words mean nothing they will continue to be complacent and disregard the issue.

Either the Federal government must be dissolved and the military operations must be given to democracy, or the Federal government will continue until the voting citizens can no longer vote because all assets will be controlled by the Federal government.

originally posted by: sociolpath
If USA Federal government decides to drop 100,000 pounds of ammunition to the Syrian rebels, and they don't have agents on the ground, how do they know who is receiving these ammunition's?

How do they know where to drop them?

One thing i find interesting is if this USA is supposedly a democracy why has there never been a vote to wartime activities? If the people cannot speak to say no war, then there will be war. If their words mean nothing they will continue to be complacent and disregard the issue.

Either the Federal government must be dissolved and the military operations must be given to democracy, or the Federal government will continue until the voting citizens can no longer vote because all assets will be controlled by the Federal government.

I agree with everything you said except the last paragraph. The problem is that a lot of Americans want these wars for one reason or another. Defense contractors & energy firms are great investments and they employ a lot of Americans. Plus, our armed forces are strictly voluntary now. So no one's being forced to join them, much less forced to g.o fight in these wars

Our war culture won't stop until enough citizens demand peace. But world peace simply isn't a priority in the US for most people. In fact, there are entire counter cultures here where calling for "love not war", world peace, and the such is considered an insult. People literally mock pacifists as being weak, cowardly, non-manly, etc.

So as long as we believe violence can solve our problems, the war culture will continue.

originally posted by: enlightenedservant

originally posted by: sociolpath
Either the Federal government must be dissolved and the military operations must be given to democracy, or the Federal government will continue until the voting citizens can no longer vote because all assets will be controlled by the Federal government.

I agree with everything you said except the last paragraph. The problem is that a lot of Americans want these wars for one reason or another. Defense contractors & energy firms are great investments and they employ a lot of Americans. Plus, our armed forces are strictly voluntary now. So no one's being forced to join them, much less forced to g.o fight in these wars.

When the USA dollar no longer means anything to the world what will the USA Federal government do then? They will take full control of the military. How will they do this if they don't have they money to pay their volunteer soldiers you might ask. The soldiers will be given a higher level of citizenship and value of life, the military will be able to take everything. Do the private capitalists that have the FAKE money invested in the arms trade have the people to make an army? No. They will no longer have anything after the dollar is over. If the federal government exists when the dollar begins to collapse, they will have pre-knowledge and take immediate military control. Nobody in the common USA "SOCIETY" will even see it coming and if they are not active military they will be slaves.

a reply to: the2ofusr1

russia-insider.com...

This is more likely where they came from...

Nearly all the cars targeted from the streets of Sydney have been Toyota Hilux utes after 834 were reported missing between 2014 and 2015, according to The Daily Telegraph

www.dailymail.co.uk... .html

But now with a little digging I find something interesting...

The source for this is Ron Paul Institute that uses a comment out of context to make things look differently than they are.

Let's see the source and something they say...

But just down the road the answer had been obvious for several years: the State Department had long been providing these Toyotas to its "Free Syrian Army" which, as Syria expert Josh Landis at the University of Oklahoma asserts, somehow manages to deliver between 60 and 80 percent of its US-supplied goodies to ISIS or al-Qaeda. How did ISIS get the Toyotas? From the State Department.

www.ronpaulinstitute.org...

Now let's look at what was said originally...

For years, the CIA effort had foundered — so much so that over the summer, some in Congress proposed cutting its budget. Some CIA-supported rebels had been captured; others had defected to extremist groups. The secret CIA program is the only way the U.S. is taking on Assad militarily. In public, the United States has focused its efforts on fighting IS and urging Assad to leave office voluntarily.

"Probably 60 to 80 percent of the arms that America shoveled in have gone to al-Qaida and its affiliates," said Joshua Landis, a Syria expert at the University of Oklahoma.

bigstory.ap.org...:publicid:ap.org:dfe1547ba36f4f968deee227d467dc08

Nowhere in the original article does it come close to what the RPI articles would want you to believe, so by that I am going to have to say this article along with the russia insider articles are purely made up.

Just one question, where is the Syrian and Russian air forces while these huge American cargo planes are violating Syrian airspace to drop ammunition to the terrorist?
The U.S. is dropping ammo to the same people that the Russians are trying to kill and the Russians are letting them do it?
something doesn`t seem right.

U.S. Delivers 50 Tons Of Ammunition To Syria Rebel Groups

So just wondering why it is okay to have 120 tons of weapons and ammo delivered to the Kurds fighting ISIS, but any other rebel group fighting them is bad...why?

Separately, a local Kurdish official in the northern Syrian city of Kobani said the U.S. had provided 120 tons of weapons and ammunition to the main Kurdish militia fighting the Islamic State in that area, the People's Protection Units, or YPG. The official, Mustafa Bali, said he did not know whether the supplies had been provided by air or over land.

news.yahoo.com...

originally posted by: Tardacus
Just one question, where is the Syrian and Russian air forces while these huge American cargo planes are violating Syrian airspace to drop ammunition to the terrorist?
The U.S. is dropping ammo to the same people that the Russians are trying to kill and the Russians are letting them do it?
something doesn`t seem right.

They had a fighter escort according to the BBC report I read - Russian planes would likely have shadowed them but the Russians don't want an "incident" any more than the US in my view...

Despite all the sabre rattling going on neither side could afford to do anything directly to the other that could be construed as an "act of war".

Not entirely sure what will happen if the CIA have thrown some stingers in this load though.

a reply to: Elysarian
An act of war
where we have on one side an invited ally legally fighting against terrorist groups.
and the other the unwelcome and unlawful group not willing to cooperate (nor participate) in the fight against terror, intent on toppling a Soverign government, illegally arming terrorist groups, many of which (admittedly) are their own.

a reply to: Elysarian

If I was the Russians I would follow the cargo planes and see where they drop, then bomb the cargo,and anyone who shows up to get it,when it`s on the ground.

The whole thing stills sounds really fishy to me.

Why is there zero criticism for Obama in this thread or any other threads involving this story? It's all broad criticism of "us federal government". This is an OBAMA policy folks. Remember the old days when all criticism was prefaced with "The Bush Administration..."?

What happens to the weapons once they are dropped is kind of irrelevant. If Russia blows them up or isis steals them it really doesn't matter.

The weapons companies have already been paid. They are happy, more profit.