United States Major General Blows The Whistle On What They Really Found On Mars

originally posted by: Telos

We're so off the topic and I don't understand why you keep on pushing it. I said I don't take Wikipedia as a source because that was what you provided and because is a page where everyone can go and make an entry. Wikipedia is not an encyclopedia per say. Is a bunch of entries by people with no credentials and sometimes even without an education. Now obviously I don't want to trash wiki because is not the scope of the thread so can we please move over to what the thread is about?

Thanks

This thread is about information that you claim should be taken more seriously because of the source - in other words, the thread hinges on the credibility of the witness.

It's entirely within the scope of the thread to consider what various sources (including Wikipedia) have to say about the gentleman in question.

a reply to: Marduk

Is he relying on information that can't be tested? You say yes.

That is incorrect though.
Project Stargate has controls and protocols in place they can test for accuracy when their specialists do their viewing ops.
It isn't anything like your image of it being like doing a finger painting and then telling your young classmates what you see in the mess you made.
Remote Viewing is much more advanced than that. The Army doesn't spend money like that to play psychic romper room. But if you want to think they do, then keep up that tax paying like a good cub scout. Embrace ignorance.

a reply to: Marduk
I do not use Wikipedia at all; certainly not as the only genuine source of information (are you serious)? You are not close enough to the truth of circumstances regarding our actual overlords to evaluate others claims IE> enlightenment.

originally posted by: Ridhya
a reply to: vethumanbeing
Typical... good old oblivious hypocrisy. 'You're closed minded, and you disagree with me so you must be a paid debunker!' I addressed your point several times, rank and education does not make someone credible.

What do I have to be afraid of? I wish we werent alone in the universe. I think you're terrified that everything you believe in is a lie.

Apparently you have a "Barbie Army" of compatriots that agree with you. I am serious about your "debunking" tactics. What are you afraid of? I know a TRUTH you do not is all. I am beginning to understand this; for whatever reason: YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO know these truths.

a reply to: Mianeye

I don't think that would be considered a wood screw by anyone.

One thing that has always bugged me about that debunking, and sorry if I'm veering off topic, is the arc just to the left of the circle in the soil would be the inner edge of the large ring, because of the way it's facing. But if you look at the machine, the screw is farther from the inner edge than the outer edge — roughly half its own width from the inner radius, but it's almost next to the outer radius. So there should be more space between the circle and the arc-ridge on the rock. There is no similar ridge for the outer edge, which should be right up against the righthand side of the impression. Also, why didn't any of the other screws make that impression? It doesn't seem to be made from the same machine shown, although it could be from something similar.

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
Project Stargate has controls and protocols in place they can test for accuracy when their specialists do their viewing ops.

Is there any evidence that Project Stargate wasn't cancelled years ago as reported?

Is there any evidence that an uncancelled Project Stargate or any other operation employing controls and protocols for accuracy remote viewed this machinery on Mars?

originally posted by: DelMarvel

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
Project Stargate has controls and protocols in place they can test for accuracy when their specialists do their viewing ops.

Is there any evidence that Project Stargate wasn't cancelled years ago as reported?

Is there any evidence that an uncancelled Project Stargate or any other operation employing controls and protocols for accuracy remote viewed this machinery on Mars?

No better way to convince the world something wasn't worthwhile...than to "cancel" it....

I find this story much more interesting.


astroengineer.wordpress.com...

Last January I was at JPL on a project when a colleague of mine in the unrelated MER program was working a Spirit glitch. Spirit is one of the two rovers still operating on Mars. Spirit’s expected mission was for a little over 90 days long, but six years later the rover is still operating. Spirit has performed well beyond expectations, but even the best robot is going to have its off days. One of these off days was in late January 2009. My friend and colleague, who I’ll call Rich, was a senior software engineer on the team tasked with maintaining the mobility flight software, the code that controlled the rover’s movements and experiments.

originally posted by: nullafides

originally posted by: DelMarvel

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
Project Stargate has controls and protocols in place they can test for accuracy when their specialists do their viewing ops.

Is there any evidence that Project Stargate wasn't cancelled years ago as reported?

Is there any evidence that an uncancelled Project Stargate or any other operation employing controls and protocols for remote viewed this machinery on Mars?

No better way to convince the world something wasn't worthwhile...than to "cancel" it....

When this experiment plays itself out HERE to a perceived 'conclusion' (this would be human malfeasance) IT WILL cancel itself and all creations within it without a blink of an eye. Everything is already preserved and prepped for the new library of Earth.

originally posted by: DelMarvel

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
Project Stargate has controls and protocols in place they can test for accuracy when their specialists do their viewing ops.

Is there any evidence that Project Stargate wasn't cancelled years ago as reported?

Is there any evidence that an uncancelled Project Stargate or any other operation employing controls and protocols for accuracy remote viewed this machinery on Mars?

I obviously can't answer these questions and can only offer conjecture. And as I said very early in the thread, I said I don't know if the general was speaking the truth, and yet our ATS Ostrich flock (I'm not saying you are in that), have replied back as if I believed everything he said about finding things on Mars.

Getting that said, I also know that NASA is still militarily mandated to follow the Brookings report, and that is part of why they NEVER come out and tell the public anything without first having it panel approved first, and edited to follow that Brookings report, which was a sham anyways when Bluebook was started, and was done the same way that 9-11 came up with their official crap for public consumption.

Something happens, or is discovered that is too disturbing, or has what they think could cause public disorder, panic, or even total anarchy, so they mitigate their own fears, (of losing power), by hiring a panel of so called experts to write up some very nice Bull Ship, that we can all read and then go back to sleep in comfort all believing this panels' report is the truth, which also leaves our leaders intact and ready for the next.

The Brookings report claimed that NASA shouldn't divulge anything they discover without first going through their filtering process in case the public might not be able to handle it.
We might all quit our jobs and stay home and have our society thrown back into the stone age according to the Brookings bit.
A NASA scientist who had an experiment set up on one of the rovers that scooped up some Martian soil and fed it with water and some radioactive nutrients started to send pages of output data showing radioactive materials from the material fed to the soil clearly showed microbes were ingesting and using those nutrients because of the radioactive produce coming from them after they were given that special nutrient solution.

Later it was claimed that didn't happen and the subsequent tests that other scientists conducted heated the soil first and destroyed anything that may have been there as far as living organisms, then they said that they were looking for only organics and they initially warned that scientists NOT to come out claim he had discovered any life.

Before this rover began, the criteria that NASA told this scientist they would accept as proof of microbiology existing on Mars was exactly what happened, but then someone at NASA got worried about their special rules which are the Brookings warnings decided to shut that business down quick before it was too late, and then all the subsequent experiments testing for Life just coincidentally happened to obliterate any findings of that earlier NASA scientist.

All the company men (Mainstream bandwagon groupies) here have debated this in countless threads and banner waved for the official explanation debunking what can't be debunked since they had no proof this didn't all happen like the NASA scientists said it did. Which NASA scientists should we believe anyways? Just the ones following the bandwagon? See how this has been going? Then a multi staged effort begins to discredit the ones who aren't playing nice with whatever whims the NASA communications officers are offering up as rules for the day, and then this filters right on down to this site, where many do the work NASA administrators usually have to pay for, for them.
A win win for the debunkers and NASA bosses. Or is it really?

I'm illustrating all this to show there is plenty of evidence to support the position that NASA is not always forthcoming and that they also do lots and lots of image obfuscation and manipulation on a daily basis. This is not even debatable anymore to many of us here, and even counting all the past paper trails that show this is all true. NASA always has an excuse when it comes to life being discovered anywhere except this planet we are already on, that nothing is ever found. Discovery announcements are rendered less than noteworthy, inaccurate, cosmic ray strikes. Camera angles, lighting angles, and software glitches.

When Russia lost those craft they sent to Phobos, they got a clear picture of a 20 kilometer in length and a kilometer in width cigar shaped craft seemingly guarding Phobos, which they claimed rammed the Phobos spacecraft and knocked it out of orbit sending it away broken and useless. The USA lost a Billion dollar probe sent there as well. And others too.

NASA never offered any explanation for these losses to this day. I don't believe they just don't know anything. They know much more about what happened.

Nothing has changed and these patterns of ridicule, discrediting, and excuses on top of excuses continue whenever there is a possibility that we might truly found out something major and truly shocking about what is out there.

Machinery on Mars? How can we know about that with all the above mentioned issues?

Have you read George Lenard's "Somebody else is on the Moon" ? It has original and checkable testable NASA images with plate numbers and all that to see directly that there certainly is big machinery on the moon, mining operations, pipes, buildings, structures built on a huge scale that we could never build in 1000 years with current technology.
archive.org...
It is a very good read, and not a bunch of made up stuff either.

A long time ago a couple guys with important business credentials read this book and took a copy of the book to NASA and demanded to see clear hi resolution versions of the images referenced in this book and were denied access at first, then they threatened to make 1000's of copies of the book and drop them everywhere using a helicopter if NASA didn't give them access to the best Moon photos which are still off limits and have not been released. Only low resolution crap has been released in the place of those good ones.

So NASA caved in and allowed them access, but only after they signed non disclosure agreements which they broke decades later.

There are literally hundreds of more examples of NASA not telling the public things, and so having researched so many angles of known NASA obfuscation, lies, and lameness AD NAUSEAM, I would say that the likelihood of something we don't know about because of our shunted history books and such, existing there on Mars is very very good indeed.

And it probably includes machinery and underground habitats and whatever, but we still don't know for sure of course. And if these things are there, it doesn't even mean aliens put it all there, it could be ancient man, or a human civilization that we don't know about.

Or it could be Aliens, as George with the hair would say

a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

yeah I agree...even if info is divulged...theres always a ney sayer.......we will never have tangible evidence untill its thrown in our face by the ones we are told definately dont exist.

a reply to: grey580

Wow, that guy used to post here, I remember him well. He got nothing but posters knee jerk ostrich gallery responses in return for some pretty amazing things he told about.

I haven't checked his word-press site for a year or more since he took a long break and he had gotten a divorce because of the NASA problem he had there.
I haven't yet read from your link, doing it now. Maybe some interesting parallels about things in this thread.. edit: I see now he still is a disappeared item..I forgot about his quantum communicating rover story.. Probably true too. Fiction is never this good.

Thanks for sharing..

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed

Something happens, or is discovered that is too disturbing, or has what they think could cause public disorder, panic, or even total anarchy, so they mitigate their own fears,

Yet another CONSPIRACY CLICHE used to cover up the fact that BS can never be proved, if questioned flick through the standard cliches.

The people that know can't say or they will lose job or life.
Tech is 50 years ahead of what we know.
etc etc

Members on here claim contact or regular sightings with Mog from Zog yet when challanged (and I have to one on a regular basis) to provide PROOF which would be EASY if what they claim was true they ALWAYS have an excuse what does that tell you.

a reply to: vethumanbeing
All I did was provide evidence that Paul Hellyer was not credible and had no first hand knowledge of what he was talking about. Then I reiterated several times that rank or position =/= credibility.

I get it, you are special, I am not. No argument here.

a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed
Project Stargate was real enough but you can never be sure if the CIA/SRI is testing what they claim to be testing. All the RV's were told what their target was. For all we know they were testing remotely beaming images into the brain by the use of ultrasound

hint hint


By the way your moon man is seriously seeing things... a cannon? Really?

originally posted by: nullafides

originally posted by: DelMarvel

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
Project Stargate has controls and protocols in place they can test for accuracy when their specialists do their viewing ops.

Is there any evidence that Project Stargate wasn't cancelled years ago as reported?

Is there any evidence that an uncancelled Project Stargate or any other operation employing controls and protocols for accuracy remote viewed this machinery on Mars?

No better way to convince the world something wasn't worthwhile...than to "cancel" it....

Or since we're speculating about everything here: maybe they did just cancel it.

Another problem I have with all this is the lack of commercial application. This technique is not a military secret. A number of years ago Ed Dames who worked with Stubblebine was big on how his remote viewing team was looking for and going to find gold. They never did.

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
A long time ago a couple guys with important business credentials read this book and took a copy of the book to NASA and demanded to see clear hi resolution versions of the images referenced in this book and were denied access at first, then they threatened to make 1000's of copies of the book and drop them everywhere using a helicopter

Your source for that claim is what exactly?

Only low resolution crap has been released in the place of those good ones.

Care to list these "low resolution only" photo's"?

There are literally hundreds of more examples of NASA not telling the public things,

Such as what exactly?

and so having researched so many angles of known NASA obfuscation, lies, and lameness AD NAUSEAM, I

Care to detail these? Unless......

originally posted by: wmd_2008
originally posted by: vethumanbeing
a reply to: hellobruce

vhb: You have no idea how fast a career will be flushed if one discloses such information; (not just within the military) this includes air line pilots and ground support.

hellobruce: Another gem from the Conspiracy Cliche Handbook.

My brother-in-law is an AF F15 Eagle pilot ret.; has been a Delta pilot for 15 years now (the doozies he tells).

originally posted by: DelMarvel

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
Project Stargate has controls and protocols in place they can test for accuracy when their specialists do their viewing ops.

Is there any evidence that Project Stargate wasn't cancelled years ago as reported?

Is there any evidence that an uncancelled Project Stargate or any other operation employing controls and protocols for accuracy remote viewed this machinery on Mars?

Two companies formed as spinoffs from the military program, and they are big now. Trying to remember and find the names.
A few guys that worked in those remote viewing ops are now coming forward. One of them is Paul H. Smith.
One of the companies doing research and doing remote viewing is named the Farsight Institute. All BS? I don't know, but they are a non profit organization. Of course that doesn't mean some there aren't getting a paycheck..
PSI tech is another one. They are private sector, and must get good results, or they wouldn't still be in business.

If the technology was perfect you would expect someone to be getting their lottery numbers in advance, so I don't think remote viewing is quite that good, but it is considered to be 85% accuracy. Being that good, it could be a bonus for lots of applications especially military.

Since private corporations are in business doing remote viewing, then that means remote viewers from the military are now working for them, or are them. So, it is logical to deduce that project star-gate is still running, albeit now as a private enterprise, or third party vendor to the military.

Unsealed conspiracy files season 1 episode 13 covers remote viewing and discusses JPL photos and remote viewing targets based on those photos. I don't think the show is all false, but a lot of it can certainly be conjecture.
It is up to each individual to decide what is true and what isn't using a preponderance of the evidence from ALL sources, rather than emotional baggage to decide.