After TV Slaying, Reporter's Dad Finds Voice on Gun Control

originally posted by: harvestdog
To get back On Topic, shall we sidestep the Abortion issue and discuss another parent having a knee-jerk reaction and going public with it? The Anti-2nd folks jump over a lot of tragedies and use it as a wedge against gun rights.

I believe we can all agree that not every cop shoots someone in cold blood. MOST of the time it is self defense.

I believe the same is true of MOST gun owners in this country. Now matter what make, model, caliber, load capacity, these gun owners are being responsible in every way.

We have highly emotional, highly lacking in firearm education people, going on National TV to promote an agenda that is contrary to the heart of the 2nd Amendment of our Constitution.

Yep! How dare that father have a knee-jerk reaction after his daughter got executed by a lunatic with a gun.

Sick.

a reply to: muse7

I would question what Mr. Andy Parker would do if Vester cracked his daughter's head with a Easton aluminum baseball bat. Surely there would be a fatal outcome. Would he go after aluminum bats? i prefer a hard wooden bat because I know the blunt trauma would be worse. Shouldn't he cool his head, not be used as a tool, and educate himself on machine guns before he goes on national TV and makes himself look like a fool for Anti-2nd folks?

My good friends your debate is an honorable one: freedom versus safety.

This issue, like many in America, will not be resolved under existing circumstances.

The gun issue, abortion, gay rights, immigration will never be resolved.

On this forum these issues are the most polarized indicating the country's polarization of them.

One way out of the gun issue is to create a more human atmosphere in the countries discourse: media, politics, entertainment but that’s not likely going to happen.

This country is becoming more divided by the day. The polarity is stretching so far I fear it may break the country's small degree of peace it has maintained into 1000 pieces and massively disrupt the balance

And what exactly is that balance?

Or we may just idle on onto a further poisonous state of total chaos

In the end, though, it will be selfishness that will destroy us

I want MY guns

I want MY rights

I want MY wars

I want MY REIGION

I want MY FREEDOM


I, I, I, I, I, and when it crumples into 1000 pieces it will be when one person’s freedom is another person’s slavery.

....And that’s when the balance will have been broken and that’s when bad things happen

They are not looking to take your guns or even control your guns.

They're objective is to control your mind.

Get enough people hating fire arms and rallying against them and they won't have to take them, the people will give them up willingly.

The media is brainwashing people just as "fast and furious" as they can. (Pun intended)

Guns are terrible, guns are bad. Eventually they'll get enough on board that guns will go away.

It may take a generation but it will surely happen.

originally posted by: harvestdog
a reply to: Xcathdra

This is true. I don't think anyone could have seen this guy going postal on his ex-coworkers.

If people have enough intent and will to carry out homicide, it will happen.

I'm pretty sure the guys that do gang murders around here buy stolen guns out of the trunk of a car. No checks or waits. Just cash and metal.

Here is another thought....

If gun control works so well in countries that outright ban guns or severely restrict them why do the leaders of those countries have armed body guards?

The President of China... The Prime minister of the United Kingdom.... The Queen... The Prime minister of Australia... The Prime minister of Canada...


Why?

a reply to: Subaeruginosa

Even though he knew it was being filmed, which indicates that he had already planned to off himself.

Then why did he run?
He ran for quite a ways.
Until he couldn't run any more.

a reply to: harvestdog

its pretty much useless to have someone who doesn't know anything about guns trying to debate gun control. Because when you do, you end up with someone equating an assault rifle to a machine gun. Which is utterly morose.

That is the same as saying you could put Michael Moore in a Jamaican sprinters uniform, and he'd be Usain Bolt. Its just morose.

originally posted by: Willtell

In the end, though, it will be selfishness that will destroy us

I knew there was a reason why I liked you!

a reply to: Willtell

That is exactly right....me/my/mine...that is what matters. Because when i had my electricity turned off, none of my neighbors seemed to think it was their problem. It stayed off until I could turn it back on.

We are individuals. We are not a collective. People who live in urban areas want to believe there is a collective because their experience in highly populated areas has given them this belief. But that belief is wrong, and it is misguided.

We are not a collective. We are cooperative individuals. WHich means that me/my/mine must be my first and largest concern. Because no one else will pay your bills for you. No matter how much lip service they give.

Call it selfish. Im down for that. It is what "individualism" is.

originally posted by: Sublimecraft

That's because no-one has yet come up with a workable solution to both allow gun ownership and restrict gun ownership.

The UK has....

We can still have semi-autos, shotguns, rifles, yet we rarely have massacres and shootings.

But the 2nd, but the 2nd!!! Pfft.

Life is more important than a set of archaic waffle on paper.

a reply to: Willtell

Me and my kind are not the one's polarizing anything. We live by a code and die by a code.
The cultural warriors of the day, sway not us. Only small trees learning their place in life.
We have been around since the dawn of time.

MY RIGHTS, FREEDOMS, AND RELIGION are mine and only mine. If someone wants to take them, I dare them.
ME and MY KIND are Alpha Males in a walks of life.

There's a saying in my parts and it goes like this: Honey there are men talking, why don't you scadoodle and make us some sandwiches?

Real men will never let government take their God given rights. I have dominion of this land. I have dominion of it's animals. I have dominion of my woman. If I had a family it would be I have dominion of my family.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

And politically that is Libertarian-ism. Not to make this political, but in a early election season why not? You can count on no man but yourself to protect yourself. Feel good rhetoric doesn't feel so good when you are outgunned. FACT!

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: Willtell

That is exactly right....me/my/mine...that is what matters. Because when i had my electricity turned off, none of my neighbors seemed to think it was their problem. It stayed off until I could turn it back on.

We are individuals. We are not a collective. People who live in urban areas want to believe there is a collective because their experience in highly populated areas has given them this belief. But that belief is wrong, and it is misguided.

We are not a collective. We are cooperative individuals. WHich means that me/my/mine must be my first and largest concern. Because no one else will pay your bills for you. No matter how much lip service they give.

Call it selfish. Im down for that. It is what "individualism" is.

Well, 80 percent of the population of this country lives in urban areas and we prefer to work together. So you can keep your selfish 'me and all mine' ridiculous attitude. Like it or not... we live in a society. Maybe if you were nicer to your neighbors and treated them with an attitude different than "me/my/mine...that is what matters", then they might have helped you out. And sorry, "individualism" does in no way mean selfish. What a sad leap being made here.

It's attitudes like this that incite fear, territoriality, and in the end, the juvenile desire for guns.

I think people are confusing individuality with selfishness.

The collective is selfish, socialism is selfish.

It cares NOT for the individual.

Individualism respects initiative, drive.

Individuals can be selfish. But individuality respects self-reliance and freedom.

It's interesting how they seem to be focusing on "mental illness" in the gun grabbing crusades. While it's pretty obvious this guy was crazy, the "mental health" industry has invented so many disorders and so forth that just about anyone could be declared mentally ill.

I think people really need to be careful about falling for this. If they can use the mental illness excuse to deny you of one right, they can do the same thing with any of your other rights. And if eating is a mental disorder, they can certainly come up with a disorder for people who ask too many questions.

a reply to: harvestdog

Logical response. Not logical to think that more laws, or whatever will stop gun violence. What you are then talking about is to confiscate 300 million non military weapons in the country and the end result. Yep the very thing people people who want guns gone don't like. Mass gun violence. But don't let that stop you......carry on with the fantasy of stopping gun violence by pursuing more gun laws. Really we have like 25,000 on the books, 300 million non military guns in the country already. But law 25,001 that's the one that will do it.

a reply to: Reallyfolks

Have drug laws stopped drugs?

originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: Reallyfolks

Have drug laws stopped drugs?

No but the solution is education and legalization. Banning wont and has never worked. More laws will solve nothing. Funny how that works.

a reply to: Reallyfolks

But don't let that stop you......carry on with the fantasy of stopping gun violence by pursuing more gun laws.

I hope that's not directed towards me, I support guns for everyone over say... 17.

originally posted by: harvestdog
a reply to: Reallyfolks

But don't let that stop you......carry on with the fantasy of stopping gun violence by pursuing more gun laws.

I hope that's not directed towards me, I support guns for everyone over say... 17.

Directed towards no one. General statement to those who think the solution is more laws, etc.