Can any of you remember when you chose your sexual orientation?

I can. I was about 7 years old and me and my best buddy climbed a tree...

**I can't think of any possible way to tell this part of the story without having my post removed, so I'll just skip to the end...

he wound up with pee in his mouth and I wound up getting punched in the nose and falling out of a tree.

That's when I chose not to be gay.

a reply to: EyesOpenMouthShut

You don't like facts, they make you angry and call people names.

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
Mecanophilia is also not a conscious choice. It does not mean that a person is born sexually attracted to cars. Or are you claiming a man born in 1509 was born with a sexual attraction to a 1960 Ford Mustang that was not even invented yet?

Man who gets aroused seeing a shoe?

Just because it's not a conscious choice does not make it "born that way".

With that said, I have known more than a few women who decided men were not worth the hassle and chose to be lesbian from then on out.

Oh my a fetish and something you claim some women you knew said or decided. NOPE.

Fetish? Being gay is a fetish if that is. They are sexually attracted to cars. Just like a gay man is attracted to another man. Just because YOU want there to be a difference does not mean there actually is.

You can say NOPE all you want, but I am not talking just 1 woman, I am talking several who were sexually attracted to men all their life and just got tired of cheating/abuse and decided to only date women, and had ZERO interest in women prior.

So you say that I am a straight woman attracted to straight males is merely a fetish? Like people who are sexually turned on by shoes? You are deluded.

Not what I said at all, in the slightest. Let me clarify since you are obviously not smart enough to understand and too militaristic to keep conversing with a fool.

What we are attracted to is not a case of "born that way" or "choose that way", and trying to dumb it down to that simply makes you a fool. The truth is far more complex and involves things such as random chance, what were you looking at when you had your first erection? Societal norms. It's a far more complex set of interactions than you choose to believe.

a reply to: Spader That is more of a natural reaction, to you. Not an actual choice. Choice would be that you liked 2 different things and chose one. Or like 3 things and chose one.

a reply to: ConfederateZombie

You have brought ZERO facts to the table and that wasn't anger.
Name calling, maybe, kind of, if i wasn't using it as an example

a reply to: OccamsRazor04 I stopped reading at 'not smart enough'

a reply to: EyesOpenMouthShut

Fact 1: Mental disorder
Fact 2: Some choose
Fact 3: Gross

originally posted by: reldra
a reply to: OccamsRazor04 I stopped reading at 'not smart enough'

Probably a good idea, the rest of it contained ideas most likely far too complex for someone who wants to dumb sexual orientation/arousal down to "born that way".

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: reldra
a reply to: OccamsRazor04 I stopped reading at 'not smart enough'

Probably a good idea, the rest of it contained ideas most likely far too complex for someone who wants to dumb sexual orientation/arousal down to "born that way".

Sexual orientation includes nature vs. nurture. The point of t his thread is quite simple, though. You should go back to the OP.

a reply to: ConfederateZombie

Wait..what? did you just describe Heterosexuality?




Laugh a little, your facts are your ignorant opinions..see right now you have a choice to remain ignorant or expand your thinking

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
Mecanophilia is also not a conscious choice. It does not mean that a person is born sexually attracted to cars. Or are you claiming a man born in 1509 was born with a sexual attraction to a 1960 Ford Mustang that was not even invented yet?

Man who gets aroused seeing a shoe?

Paraphilias and Sexualities, although similar in many respects, are not the same thing. Paraphilias, like fetishes, can begin after birth.

a reply to: Darth_Prime

No they are all true. You are the one living in a delusional world trying to rationalize sexual perversion.

I stopped answering Hannibal Lecter.

originally posted by: reldra
I stopped answering Hannibal Lecter.

It's like trying to explain to a rock that its made of stone

a reply to: reldra

Feel better now no mask.

a reply to: EyesOpenMouthShut

LOL.

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: reldra
a reply to: OccamsRazor04 I stopped reading at 'not smart enough'

Probably a good idea, the rest of it contained ideas most likely far too complex for someone who wants to dumb sexual orientation/arousal down to "born that way".

Sexual orientation includes nature vs. nurture. The point of t his thread is quite simple, though. You should go back to the OP.

The point of discourse is to move forward, not backwards. Why would I go back to something I already addressed?

"Choice" or "born that way" is the old Nature OR nurture debate. It's a stupid debate. The real debate is the interaction between nature AND nurture.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: reldra
a reply to: OccamsRazor04 I stopped reading at 'not smart enough'

Probably a good idea, the rest of it contained ideas most likely far too complex for someone who wants to dumb sexual orientation/arousal down to "born that way".

Sexual orientation includes nature vs. nurture. The point of t his thread is quite simple, though. You should go back to the OP.

The point of discourse is to move forward, not backwards. Why would I go back to something I already addressed?

"Choice" or "born that way" is the old Nature OR nurture debate. It's a stupid debate. The real debate is the interaction between nature AND nurture.

The OP had a question. That is what was asked. If you have some other issue, make a new thread.

I didn't answer it directly, since I had no 'choice' moment. No actual 'choice' moments could be found from others, either. So, I take it that here, on ATS , from the ppl online that saw the thread, there were none.

Based upon the small sample, it is not a matter of choice. Based upon larger, publicly available studies, it is not a choice. So, unless there is more on "When did you choose?" You would be done here.

yeah take your facts to a different thread.

originally posted by: ConfederateZombie
a reply to: caladonea

Yes like an utopia! We will ride unicorns and...............

Your sarcasm is recognized...also I say to you...