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originally posted by: Rocker2013
Claiming otherwise is like claiming it's unfair to suggest that rap fans like rap music.
originally posted by: burdman30ott6
I'll continue to take the same stance as I have for my entire adult life and flat out refuse to care who takes offense over what, and keep on keeping on. The Gadsden and the Rebel flags will continue to hold their place in my heart, on my back, and on my bumper stickers.
originally posted by: burdman30ott6
originally posted by: Rocker2013
Claiming otherwise is like claiming it's unfair to suggest that rap fans like rap music.
Ahhhhhhh... but what would you say if someone made the connection between rap music listeners and crime? Rap music isn't so much a symbol of crime and violence as it is a narrative glorifying crime and violence. Should it be eradicated, too?
originally posted by: alphastrike101
originally posted by: Drest
originally posted by: alphastrike101
I really do not understand why they would want to fly a flag of losers.
The Confederates got their a$$ kicked and bad.
They had an outdated ideology then.
You must have skipped history class or something. Because if you'd actually studied that war, you would know that for the first two years the South actually had the U.S. on the run.... they had them scared sh*tless for a while. The CSA generals were pretty much superior in every way. The only thing the North had was industry, but their leadership was tactically incompetent for the most part.
What little that matters when, indeed, per capita the southerners lost twice as many men as the Union, coupled with the devastation they were subjected too. Considering the confederation was more or less reduced to a third world country, while the north boomed and prospered in the wake of the Civil war, I would say the south was defeated rather thoroughly
I can think of no better word than a$$-kicking.
originally posted by: Rocker2013
Eradicated?
No, I don't think I've seen anyone suggesting that a historical image be "eradicated".
originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: eriktheawful
Btw I wouldn’t ban the flag. Just remove any and all governmental association with it to any degree.
originally posted by: alphastrike101
a reply to: Rocker2013
I still dont understand the sick obsession some southeners have with their failed rebellion, I mean they lost, find somthing else to obsess over because the south will NEVER "rise again!"
Not only did they lose but they were defeated to the point that areas in the south took nearly half a century to recover. 1 in 5 military age male adults down there were killed. They were comprehensively defeated by most every metric. Given the ass kicking they received that flag is that of shame and defeat.
originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: kosmicjack
Actually the North fired the first shots but I agree with all of your other ssentiments. The flag should not fly over any government buildings, local or state.
No, the first shot was a 10 inch mortar fired at 4:30 A.M. on the morning of April 12, 1861 by one Captain James, under the command of Confederate General P.G.T. Beauregard and it exploded approximately 100 feet above Ft. Sumter.
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley (R) will call for the Confederate flag to be removed from the state capitol, multiple outlets reported Monday.
Haley is set to speak at a press conference at 4 p.m. ET Monday. According to CNN and AP, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) will join the governor and call for the flag to be placed in a museum.
Graham previously said the flag "is part of who we are," but that he would be "fine" with taking the symbol down.
Nikki Haley To Call For Confederate Flag To Be Removed From South Carolina Capitol: Reports
Looks like South Carolina is starting to relent to pressure on the flag. Both the governor and Senator Linsey Graham are now calling for the removal of the flag from the capitol building. Good move I say. A state government shouldn't be promoting a flag that at the very least represents a time of massive division in the country and at the most is a symbol of racism.
I have no problem with individual or private entities flying the flag (that is their prerogative), but it shouldn't be on any government buildings. It's almost like an "eff you" to the federal government by flying it.
originally posted by: Drest
The U.S.A will have it's night of reckoning. You can't build a country on such sheer hypocrisy. At least the southern secessionists were straightforward with their evils, the U.S.A masks them with pretty words and deceptions.
You talk about "slavery" and yet you live on the labor of third world economic enslavement to provide all your petty amenities.
You talk about "kicking ass" when you can't even subjugate some goat-herding Afghani's who are defending their small village with AK-47s. You failed in Vietnam, Iraq, and Korea, and have never won a war on your own. Even with your superior technology you lose over and over again.
You talk about "human rights" and yet your government starts coups and proxy wars, destabilizing entire regions and leading to the death of thousands if not millions. Your government-backed corporations exploit the developing world to avoid safety regulations.
You talk about "democracy", and yet everywhere in the Middle-East you went, you left behind radical Islamic fascist groups.
You talk about "freedom" and yet your government targets its own citizens and implements 1984-like tactics. Also, your "freedom" only seems to apply to people living in the US, all other people around the world could burn for all you care.
Don't get me wrong, I love many Americans I've met, but this kind of hypocrisy cannot stand for long. That's why I laugh at all this pitiful self-righteousness and armchair activism.
Anyway, that's my take, I'm out of this thread.
originally posted by: alphastrike101
a reply to: Drest
Although the south had great tactical officers they were strategically beat. Thus they still got their asses beat. Why? Because ultimately all those dead was entirely for NOTHING. The entire southern struggle was totally futile.
I suppose it depends on your definition of "getting your ass kicked." One could say that Sherman's March to the Sea (let alone being able to do it virtually unopposed*) is proof enough that the Confederates, by late 1864-1865, were getting their asses kicked quite thoroughly. Other people might consider the Reconstruction period to be demonstrative of the level of ass-kicking delivered.
The whole campaign in the West was an almost unbroken string of Confederate disasters.
Just a recap
1 in 5 southern military men dead. Southern rebuilding taking nearly half a century post war.
While the north seen economic gains as well as little to no reconstruction being needed.
If nothing else to the victors go the spoils.. and bragging rights.
We won, you lost badly, get over it.
For a moment take slavery out of the equation, for in fact only a small percentage of wealthy Northerners and Southerners actually promoted and/or profited from this unjust institution.
The following essay represents a perspective that many people in the world today who are struggling against tyranny can respect about the Confederate Battle Flag and the Americans who died defending it.
Slavery cannot be extricated from the racism issue. Slavery is the genesis of racism.