ABC's ’08 Prediction: NYC Under Water from Climate Change By June 2015

a reply to: Phage

Do you mind if I simply repeat a comment of yours?

To take the failure of worst case scenarios to have occurred as evidence that global warming is not occurring or is not a threat is nothing less than a promotion of ignorance.

.

Thank you
T

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Vector99

it's doom porn to make people think oceans are rising and coastal cities will drown.

No. That will happen, the politics don't matter.
Doom porn says nothing can be done about it.
Science says we need to plan and prepare for it.

It's the over-exaggeration of the media that makes it doom porn. Worst case we need to stop living near the equator (some places already there) and build infrastructure a little bit inland. Evacuate sea level islands (really long term). Changes couldcould be drastic, but not likely, and definitely not in our lifetime.

That was a brilliant campaign piece for the 2008 elections.

Now look at the state of the union eh.

a reply to: c0gN1t1v3D1ss0nanC3

Exactly. So it all comes down to the actual science, which when it comes to climate science, is far too corrupted to be saved.

No. It's good science.

It all comes down to who you trust.

And you trust Fox. Good luck with that.

And we care what the sensationalized media said in 08 because? No one is going to argue that the media does not sensationalize.

a reply to: Vector99

Changes couldcould be drastic, but not likely, and definitely not in our lifetime.

It's my daughter I'm more concerned about. But we are seeing it happening right now. If we're paying attention.

the earth has been rising in temerature since the last ice age. it never equalized and became this bouyant perfect environmental zone that stayed neatrally stagnant for long periods of time... Temperatures are always changing and the earth is always in a trend of either warming or cooling and within those trends can experience micro trends of cooling and warming. I believe wholeheartedly in climate change not because of what humans are doing on this earth but because we are all a part of a much bigger system and it's quite egotystical actually to think humans are the cause when we've been in a warming trend since long before the industrial revolution and have had spikes comperable or larger than the micro trend witnessed during the industrial revoution. Not to say humans have had no effect on the environment, that would be ignorant, but we're quite far from fire and brimstone folks..

a reply to: Phage

Look, I'm not telling you how or what to think, but if you can't see what to me is an obvious agenda either being run by the MSM alone for viewers or in collusion with academia, we will just have to agree to disagree. I really don't want to get into a pissing match with you about the subject when I myself don't fall into any one category of belief.

You will have to just respect my right to remain highly skeptical of information pertaining to global warming, climate change, it's source or effects on our planet or it ends. I'm all ears and learn as I go, but these fear inducing videos are not helping the cause.

It still hasn't ever been proven 'fossil fuels' come from fossils at all. I mean seriously.. Yet that's still being taught in school. Saudi Arabia must have had skyscrapers filled with dinosaurs back in the day..

a reply to: Phage

Oh no, not this again. Where did I say I trust FOX?

No it's not good science.

a reply to: eisegesis

I'm all ears and learn as I go, but these fear inducing videos are not helping the cause.

Nor are the "neener neerer, they were wrong, hee hee hee" posts.


Skeptism only works if you put in the effort. Kneejerk skeptism is a non-starter.

a reply to: Phage

you seem to be taking that personal

a reply to: libertytoall

Saudi Arabia must have had skyscrapers filled with dinosaurs back in the day..

Oil does not come from dinosaurs.
Not that it has anything to do with the topic.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Vector99

Changes couldcould be drastic, but not likely, and definitely not in our lifetime.

It's my daughter I'm more concerned about. But we are seeing it happening right now. If we're paying attention.

So what are you doing about it Phage? I drive an electric vehicle, just bought an electric mower, have all high efficiency appliances, etc...

I would love to hear what you do that I don't. Oh, and you having a daughter already means your carbon footprint is MUCH larger than mine.

a reply to: c0gN1t1v3D1ss0nanC3

I drive an electric vehicle, just bought an electric mower, have all high efficiency appliances, etc...

That's good. But of course, that electricity is coming from...what?

Oh, and you having a daughter already means your carbon footprint is MUCH larger than mine.

Why "much" larger? She has hers, I have mine.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Vector99

Changes couldcould be drastic, but not likely, and definitely not in our lifetime.

It's my daughter I'm more concerned about. But we are seeing it happening right now. If we're paying attention.

It's only a concern if no approach at all is taken, but that isn't the case. Your grandkids may experience slight coastal line changes, but us humans are pretty good at adapting. The graduality of any consequences is so slow that only a literal happening of the movie "Idiocracy" will doom us.

Texas was just under water and is looking to be again this week, so maybe they were only off a few thousand miles?

a reply to: Phage

Without you, she wouldn't have a carbon footprint. Overpopulation is the reason why we have had to burn so much oil, and cut down so many trees.

a reply to: Vector99

Your grandkids may experience slight coastal line changes, but us humans are pretty good at adapting.

How do you adapt to salt water intrusion of your aquifer? Move? Ok. To where?
www.marketplace.org...

How do adapt to changes in climate which affect agricultural regions? Move? Ok. To where?

You want doom porn? Multiply those Mediterranean boat people by magnitudes because of changing climate instead of politics. Apply it to greater areas than those from which they are leaving. That's more likely where you'll find the doom.