Question to those who say being gay is a choice?

originally posted by: TinkerHaus

originally posted by: thesmokingman
Homosexuality is just like any other fetish...All people like and are attracted to other, sometimes, taboo kinds of things. Some women like men and women, some like only men, or only women. Same can be said for men. I asked the question earlier and no one answered. So I will ask again....Why does it matter if it is a choice or not? To tell you the truth, I have no problem with homosexuals at all, and have know quite a few in my life. The one thing I will say I DO NOT LIKE, is when somebody thinks that they need to "come out of the closet" or announce to others they are gay, or act overly flamboyant. WHO CARES?!?! Those are the people that piss me off. It seems to me like with most anything else, they are seeking some kind of attention or validation. I do not go around announcing that I LOVE women, so why do some feel they need to make a big deal of it? I will tell you why, the same reason a lot of kids started smoking or doing drugs, or whatever teenagers do these days....because they are rebelling in some fashion or another.

This is kind of my point - why does it matter if it's a choice. And again, if the criteria for whether or not it's an acceptable behavior is the idea that it's NOT a choice, how can you people justify the double standard when condemning acts that are equally not a choice but are unacceptable to your morality?

There are many False Authorities in life, and Morality is one of them.
Some people feel the need to rebel and announce their choice....
...maybe for different reasons (low self-esteem, daddy issues, or
the general need for validation and social acceptance, etc).

Humans are all sexual (having an "orientation" toward please oneself;
that is, preferring self-gratification sexually). Autosexuality does NOT
mean someone who is attracted to cars!

a reply to: thesmokingman
Homosexuality is illegal in over 70 countries. Not including countries with restrictions short of completely being illegal. So quite a lot of people being denied freedom really.

originally posted by: TinkerHaus

Do you really think pedophiles choose to be pedophiles? If you do, then why do they make that choice but gay people are just the way the are?

Answer the entire question, don't just copy a line and pretend you're clever.

Gawd...ignorance alert again.

Forget the pedophiles..what about the children..did they choose to be abused? Did they one day wake up and say, you know what..I feel like being physically and emotionally used by an adult.

See ..with homosexuals..there is a choice between two consenting humans...where in pedophilia, the consent it not need or asked for by another..it is taken no matter the pain it causes a child.

Can you honestly not see the difference and why one is disgusting and immoral while the other is just about two people being in love?

If you got the same stupid question..then no more replies..because you have no amount of common sense in your head.

a reply to: Bone75

Acting on pedophilia hurts someone. Acting on homosexuality doesn't.

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originally posted by: TinkerHaus

originally posted by: thesmokingman

originally posted by: TinkerHaus

originally posted by: thesmokingman

originally posted by: TinkerHaus
I personally believe that everyone is bisexual to some degree. Anyone who says they've never been attracted to someone of the same sex is lying. I think the atmosphere in which you are raised has a lot to do with whether or not you end up being gay or not. Not that either direction is more or less than the other.

And no, I'm not saying that the atmosphere that produces a straight or gay person is abnormal or deviant at all either - but I do believe that there is a strong chance that the first things that trigger sexual thoughts or feelings when we're children will eventually help shape our sexuality.

I do think at some point homosexuality is a choice.. That doesn't mean it's like a switch you can flip on and off, but I believe we are humans and we're sexual creatures and we're sexually drawn to sexual acts. At some point we make a determination as to what we accept from ourselves and what is unacceptable. From this point forward we cultivate and nurture that choice until it becomes such a part of us that it is no longer a choice at all.

I don't think it's a choice in the way that those who would demonize LGBT people would define it.

Stopped reading when you said that "anybody that says they have never been attracted to the opposite sex is lying". I am 39 years old and have never found another man "attractive". It is unwise for you to try and speak for everybody.

You lie - but keep telling yourself that if that's what you need to tell yourself!

Um, OK....You do realize that not EVERYBODY has the same feelings as you do right? I am sorry but that is a very ignorant assumption and accusation, but, if that's what you need to tell yourself.....

So you've never watched pornography with a male and a female? You only watch lesbian porn?

You avoid seeing yourself naked when you're having intercourse with a female?

You are almost at the point of trolling now,... quit trying to validate and justify to us your own sexual preference to make yourself feel better. If being gay is not a problem in your eyes, then I do not see why we need to discuss it any further.

originally posted by: thesmokingman

originally posted by: Onslaught2996

originally posted by: thesmokingman
I asked the question earlier and no one answered. So I will ask again....Why does it matter if it is a choice or not?

It shouldn't but I asked the question because it seems to be an argument for those who wish to deny other people's freedom.

Who exactly is denying anyones freedom? Last I checked, outside of Russia, it is perfectly fine to be homosexual.

The people who argue against homosexual marriage or having the same rights as heterosexual couples.

They want to deny freedoms to homosexuals that heterosexuals have.

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: thesmokingman
Homosexuality is illegal in over 70 countries. Not including countries with restrictions short of completely being illegal. So quite a lot of people being denied freedom really.

Yeah I am sure there are more countries that just Russia, but there are plenty of crazy laws all over the world. I am in the US, and I can only speak for what I have seen here, but there are plenty here in the US claiming that they are discrimintated against.

originally posted by: Bone75
a reply to: Onslaught2996

Its not a choice, its a sickness... like pedophelia... unless you think pedophiles choose to be attracted to children.

Aside from your opinion, couldn't you say the same about heterosexuality being "a sickness... like pedophelia"?

Your basically saying what everybody else is saying but you are choosing to throw down some bigotry to flavor it even though pedophelia is just as related to heterosexuality as homosexuality is. Or beastiality... or any other -ism, -ality, -phelia, etc.

It's a dumb comparison because it comes only from your desire to demonize a sexuality between two adults by a comparison that has nothing to do with the conversation.

It's like if you were trying to get me to accept chocolate ice cream when I only allow vanilla in my store. You would tell me things like "but it's cold just like yours" and my response would be "Yeah, but rapists in the snow are cold too... just like chocolate ice cream". Wouldn't you sort of be scratching your head at that comparison?

It's stupid.

I am a straight male, and have never been attracted to other men.

originally posted by: TinkerHaus
So you've never watched pornography with a male and a female? You only watch lesbian porn?

You avoid seeing yourself naked when you're having intercourse with a female?

Seeing another man's meat doesn't mean you're gay.

Where did you get that idea from?

originally posted by: Onslaught2996

originally posted by: thesmokingman

originally posted by: Onslaught2996

originally posted by: thesmokingman
I asked the question earlier and no one answered. So I will ask again....Why does it matter if it is a choice or not?

It shouldn't but I asked the question because it seems to be an argument for those who wish to deny other people's freedom.

Who exactly is denying anyones freedom? Last I checked, outside of Russia, it is perfectly fine to be homosexual.

The people who argue against homosexual marriage or having the same rights as heterosexual couples.

They want to deny freedoms to homosexuals that heterosexuals have.

Well, just because certain people want something to change, does not mean that the laws should be automatically adjusted to suit their wishes.

originally posted by: Vasa Croe
It all comes down to religious persecution...without it, I doubt this debate would have ever come up in history. It would simply be you were with the person you loved.

I've got to disagree with this.

Being agnostic and leaning towards believing in evolution, I still see it as a choice. Millions of years of evolution and same sex attraction don't seem to mix well. What purpose would it serve to "survival of the fittest"? Little to none.

I'd argue that any sexual behavior outside of normal heterosexual behavior, between those that are of age to reproduce, is a choice. However, being an advanced abundant species, sexual alternatives will always rise and fall.

Japan is a good insight into how orientations might progress worldwide in coming years.

a reply to: thesmokingman
Well they are discriminated against. Gay marriage is still illegal in many states isn't it. I believe you can still be fired for being gay in many states as well. And these are just examples of official discrimination, do you really think there isn't fairly widespread anti gay prejudice?

originally posted by: WakeUpBeer
I am a straight male, and have never been attracted to other men.

originally posted by: TinkerHaus
So you've never watched pornography with a male and a female? You only watch lesbian porn?

You avoid seeing yourself naked when you're having intercourse with a female?

Seeing another mans meat doesn't mean you're gay.

Where did you get that idea from?

Appparently it does, I was as shocked as you.

I need to go to the bathroom now but am scared in case I see a penis and end up gay.

a reply to: Onslaught2996

Without going to deep we are born with the potential to desire both sexes. How we are nurtured through early life and the experiences we have greatly effects which sex we are attracted to in later life.

Although everyone is different there are certain correlations which exist. I will not cite here because I am on a tablet and unable to provide source.

Being gay is not a choice.

But you aren't born that way.

originally posted by: thesmokingman

Well, just because certain people want something to change, does not mean that the laws should be automatically adjusted to suit their wishes.

I am against discrimination no matter the people. Laws are wrong if they discriminate against others. Blacks not having the same rights as whites was changed because "certain people" thought the rights need to be "adjusted to suit their wishes".

originally posted by: ghostrager
What purpose would it serve to "survival of the fittest"?

Population control, perhaps?

I'd argue that any sexual behavior outside of normal heterosexual behavior, between those that are of age to reproduce, is a choice.

The behavior is a choice. I can choose to have sex with either gender. The orientation (who I'm attracted to) is no more a choice than whether I'm attracted to tall, dark and handsome or slim, blonde, tan surfer types...

Japan is a good insight into how orientations might progress worldwide in coming years.

Can you be more specific? I don't know what you're talking about here...

originally posted by: Elton
I don't think it is a choice unless you are bisexual and then chose to suppress half of your desires.

I suspect that the homophobic ministers and lawmakers in the Bible belt are predominately bisexual as they always say it is a choice (which makes me suspect they are struggling with their own sexualities...) I've never had a choice in who I am attracted to, it just happens.

Odd you said that!

Why do those who are gay show the same disdain for those who are in the middle, Bisexual as they do to those who are heterosexual?

And why do those who are bisexual suppressing anything?

Also, why does ones sexuality make one damned bit of difference to anyone?

To those insisting humans are sexual period, what about asexuals and the like? There are people born with literally no sexual desire at all, and they never really get it. They aren't attracted to and don't desire sex with anybody. Human sexuality is a very varied and vibrant thing.

Everyone is born with a range within human sexuality, all the way from no desire up to hey man that vacuum cleaner is smoking hot. Where you fall within that is a matter of nature + environment + experience + influences. It's a multitude of factors, but it isn't a choice. The only choices are whether you act on them or reject them, or try and act contrary to them, as well as where within your personal range of desire you feel the most comfortable focusing on.

People want things to be simple, life would be easier if it was, but it's not.

As for the pedophile thing, it's no more a sickness than being gay is, it is, however still a crime and should be, since as has been said already, it's not between two consenting adults.

Sometimes we have desires we should fight against. Being a pedophile is such a desire, being gay is not, even if the two things have the same origins, which by the way is the same origins as being straight.

God don't make any mistakes if God wanted men and woman to be attracted to their own sex he would not have destroyed Sodom and Gomorah. And the purpose of sexual partnership was to have children and populate the earth, how far would human kind have gotten if homosexual couples were born first? you people don't look at the ovious questions when it comes to gays. what if the first man ever born was a gay man and the first woman was gay, how would you be alive today if being gay was not a choice? let's say, the first two gay people would have had sex with each other then, no children would have been born. Or are you saying it was just a game of chance when the gay baby was born and the straight baby was born? it is so easy to say that gays were born that way now that we have our society, and there are enough people around for them to choose from. So lets say there were not, and there was one gay woman and two gay men in the world, we would never of had a society because no children would have been born, if they were truly gay.

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic
Population control would be a factor now perhaps as we went from 1 billion to 7 billion people in just 100 years.

The behavior is a choice. I can choose to have sex with either gender. The orientation (who I'm attracted to) is no more a choice than whether I'm attracted to tall, dark and handsome or slim, blonde, tan surfer types...

Physical attraction, aside from attributes that would benefit offspring, are a choice. Social conditioning plays a major role in who we consider attractive Along with past emotional connections


Regarding the situation in Japan:

Many Japanese are choosing no relationship and refuse sex. It's almost like the human version of the mouse utopia expirements.