First England...and now...Germany? Yes, Sharia Law zones enforced by roving groups

a reply to: OpenMindedRealist

Depends how you see it, the Lord's Resistance Army, Eastern Lightning (China), National Liberal Front of Tripura, Nagaland (India), the Real IRA, have all committed atrocities in the name of the Christian God. Of course they are denounced by the Church, but then ISIS, Al-Qaeda etc are denounced by a lot of Muslims. For me it's always political, with religion a side-issue used to gain support.

a reply to: matafuchs

Your video from Germany shows pretty much nothing and is completely useless as evidence that roving groups are enforcing Sharia Law.
So unless you have something else (and I guess you do not or it would have formed part of your OP) you are simply spreading misinfo and fear.

I get so sick of hearing the same tired old crap about there being Sharia zones in the UK. It's always the same vid on nearly deserted night time streets. There was another group of three individuals who did the same too. Before the courts sorted them out, but no need to cover that, eh?

So OMG, a handful of idiots in a nation of 60 million. Can you prove that such stuff is ongoing in the UK?

What always strikes me about the Sharia Patrol crap is that it's nothing more than local news - a couple of idiots causing inconvenience or trouble on their local streets to isolated folk at night. It gets wider coverage as it's about Islam, which is of course box office.

This is just substance free rubbish.

Eta: in parts of Scotland, Presbyterian/Wee Free ladies go around pubs, restaurants etc and berate them about their opening hours. They have even made places close on sunday in some parts of the Hebrides. Evil old Christian ladies.

Oh please show me any no go zones in the uk.
Just because a couple of you tube videos show a few young men saying they are making a no go zone doesn't mean there are actual no go zones.
I live in A very high concentrationin muslim place and have never had any trouble nor have I heard anyone say to me "that is a no go zone"
Thos place is getting more like the daily fail.

a reply to: Firefly_

are you lost ?

The west has been systematically invading and enforcing western-style "democracy" in muslim countries, which is no different to what's going on in these Sharia zones.

you are somewhat confusing the governments and the people....the people of Britain have not gone to muslim countries and imposed British law ...get your facts straight before you spout out garbage

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

The British have very obviously gone to Muslim countries and imposed themselves and their laws there over the last couple of centuries, suggesting otherwise just completely ignores history.

originally posted by: skalla
a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

The British have very obviously gone to Muslim countries and imposed themselves and their laws there over the last couple of centuries, suggesting otherwise just completely ignores history.

really...so the British people are responsible for their governments actions....really...please enlighten me on how that works...?...so i guess in this way of thinking the American people are responsible for their governments actions ?...wow...what world do you live in ?

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

First of all re your exchange with Firefly, i think the Sharia Zones are media rubbish as i've stated at the top of the page, thought it was worth stating that.

And yes, we do share responsibility for our government's action. We tacitly support what they do by voting for them (or not voting in parties who would withdraw troops) and not stopping their actions by protest or revolution (if one takes the conspiratorial evil ptb line).

It's British people in the British army too.

And yes, if the US is a democracy, then the American people must share responsibility for the actions of those that they elect, and those who enforce their foreign policy.

It often said that we get the rulers that we deserve.

a reply to: skalla

First of all re your exchange with Firefly, i think the Sharia Zones are media rubbish as i've stated at the top of the page, thought it was worth stating that.

so i take it you can show us proof if this ...are you living there ? can you show us first hand ? or is it an opinion ?

And yes, we do share responsibility for our government's action. We tacitly support what they do by voting for them (or not voting in parties who would withdraw troops) and not stopping their actions by protest or revolution (if one takes the conspiratorial evil ptb line).

let me get this straight you are advocating a revolution now hmmm...the voting system has nothing to do with external politics...and if you can prove otherwise i am all ears

It's British people in the British army too.

i would hope so it is after all the British army...you do realize the army follow orders right...

And yes, if the US is a democracy, then the American people must share responsibility for the actions of those that they elect, and those who enforce their foreign policy. It often said that we get the rulers that we deserve.

wow...you may find yourself eating those words one of these days

originally posted by: OpenMindedRealist
a reply to: buster2010

Islam is not simply a religion. It is a sociopolitical system.

Honestly, buster, do you entirely forget any argument you disagree with, or do you just not read them? These things have been pointed out over and over.

Just because people repeat ignorance doesn't make it fact. You can follow Islam without living under the Shariʻah like many Muslims here in the states follow Islam without following the Shariʻah.

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: skalla

First of all re your exchange with Firefly, i think the Sharia Zones are media rubbish as i've stated at the top of the page, thought it was worth stating that.

so i take it you can show us proof if this ...are you living there ? can you show us first hand ? or is it an opinion ?

And yes, we do share responsibility for our government's action. We tacitly support what they do by voting for them (or not voting in parties who would withdraw troops) and not stopping their actions by protest or revolution (if one takes the conspiratorial evil ptb line).

let me get this straight you are advocating a revolution now hmmm...the voting system has nothing to do with external politics...and if you can prove otherwise i am all ears

It's British people in the British army too.

i would hope so it is after all the British army...you do realize the army follow orders right...

And yes, if the US is a democracy, then the American people must share responsibility for the actions of those that they elect, and those who enforce their foreign policy. It often said that we get the rulers that we deserve.

wow...you may find yourself eating those words one of these days

I live in the Uk yes, and by examining the evidence via news reports, court reports and the video (singular) always provided as evidence i'm certain. For my whole life i have lived in densely populated, multicultural areas (West Midlands and Manchester) and had precisely zero trouble with Muslims of whom i have known hundreds as school mates, work colleagues, clients and neighbours. Bring me a whole bunch of reports and vids on Sharia patrol and i'll be happy to demonstrate my point, i've done it here on ATS many times. Last time was last week.

You ask if i am advocating a revolution - you need to read that bit again. I am demonstrating that we take responsibility for whom we elect - obvious really, or if we believe that we are being run by evil tyrants, then it is up to us to overthrow our evil tyrannical rulers. Again, very obvious.

And whom we vote for has everything to do with external politics, if by that you mean foreign policy. A different party in government can of course change foreign policy.

And "just following orders". Get a grip. So if a soldier is told to kill anyone via drone that they see in a particular zone then it's ok to kill kids who live and work there? Pregnant women perhaps?

Yeah, i was just following orders.

a reply to: OpenMindedRealist

2) There is currently not a radical Christian group slaughtering people anywhere on the globe

You need to start taking a better look at the world. Christians are killing people in many places in the world.
Central African Republic
Tripura
Odisha
Norway
Uganda
Christian terrorism
Also "Christians" have been killing people here in the states when they bombed abortion clinics.

originally posted by: Firefly_
Hypocrites all around.

The west has been systematically invading and enforcing western-style "democracy" in muslim countries, which is no different to what's going on in these Sharia zones. I'm sure most of those who have issues with it are the Daily Mail readers who have no objections to bombing these people's homelands back to the stone age for whatever reason the government tells them it is for.

If you don't want to be subjected to Sharia law then don't live in those areas. Simple really, nobody is forcing you to. It WONT happen nationally. And if it does, who can honestly say we don't have it coming after what our governments have done in the past, and still are doing now?

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Thailand has invaded no one and the same kind of crap is going on in the deep south except it has progressed to the point they don't slap they shoot and bring bombs from Burma, officially the Republic of the Union of Myanmar.. They are having the same type of problems with bombs and bullets from the religion of peace.. Whoever hung that title on them must have come from the same group that came up with the name, "Affordable Care Act"!

18 people killed in southern insurgency in August: lowest in ten years

PATTANI, 5 September 2014 (NNT) -- The Deep South Surveillance Center said the number of deaths resulting from the violence in Thailand's Deep South in August has plunged to the lowest level in 10 years.

According to the center, in the past month there were 66 violent incidents in the three southernmost provinces including 22 shootings and 15 bomb explosions. Eighteen people were killed and 40 others were injured. The number was the lowest since January 2007.

More than 5,000 residents and authorities have been killed during the past ten years by insurgency that has erupted a decade ago in the three provinces of Yala, Pattani and Narathiwat

Over 40 years ago they were building bunkers and thought they could win an insurgency battle.... That did not work out so now it is apparent that they will just out breed the locals and demand political clout while they kill and maim teachers, nurses, market shoppers, and government officials.

Europe:
Parallel societies created by Muslim mass-migration in Europe according to many of my Expat friends is getting out of hand..
Many state schools in Belgium and Denmark only serve halal food and even in once-tolerant Amsterdam gays are being beaten by Muslims at an ever higher rate. Non-Muslim women routinely hear 'whore, whore' and find themselves in very uncomfortable/threatening areas of the frequently visited tourist spots by just taking a wrong street through a neighborhood. You can do the same thing in most countries but usually it is just young thugs who are out for money and to beat someone unlike them or someone they consider a stray.

Unfortunately some believe Islam is just another religion. Looks like it from afar, it has a god and the golden carrot of 72 virgins in a here-after. But in reality Islam is a political ideology. Islam means 'submission'. It is a system that lays down detailed rules for society and the life of every person; in other words to dictate every aspect of one's life.. Maybe there are some which due to peer pressure (and evidently there are many) that want every aspect of their life controlled.. In defense if one grows up in a Christen, Hindu, Buddhist family and neighborhood the chances are you will be one yourself. However if you marry or converse outside your religion you are usually not stoned or killed. I for one do not, and will not submit to their philosophy for I believe liberty is the most precious of gifts and these are savages that threaten everything we would stand for and represent. . We in the west and other countries have lost enough already IMO. Sometimes being a nice guy does not have it's rewards.

Islam is not compatible with freedom and democracy when and if it strives for sharia. If you want to compare Islam to anything, compare it to communism, national-socialism or someone like Pol Pot who burned all the books as of today the little man who runs North Korea, these are all totalitarian ideologies that have survived for a time in our past and even today. In the past their downfall in part was because they did not have a god that demanded sharia or the 72 virgins to placate and motivate the hot headed youth to commit the most hideous of crimes against non believes of their particular sect . Communism, national-socialism or a devotion to a despot who was always to some party or man who claimed to be a god king or the party 'chosen one' who got old and died just like the common folk.

I believe it was Winston Churchill who called Islam 'the most retrograde force in the world', and why he even compared Mein Kampf to the Quran. I doubt any leader would get away with such a statement today for there would be protest and probably a fatwa the next day ? hahaha he was not to fond of Gandhi either; different time different mind set..

You cannot strike a deal with many mullahs and imams for they have the Quran which 'thought controls' all aspects of the devout and any criticism is usually dealt with swiftly. . .
Cutting of the hand of a thief.. At least they did have a doctor to attend the man after the prolong hacking and butchering. Not recommended for those who do not reality
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Wonderful Saudi Arabia which transports their version of Islam with their gifts and money all over the world.


Do not click on the below link unless you can bear seeing bound men shot in the back of the head by ISIS and their brand of Islam. War is hell etc etc especially when conducted by those who think they have a god on their sides.
www.asgraphic.org...

a reply to: buster2010

That 'Muslim' should have been arrested. I wonder if charges were bought against him.

All is going to be "fixed" in Germany again :

Germany takes action against "sharia police"

The German government will act against the self-proclaimed "sharia police" patrolling the streets in the German city of Wuppertal in the Rhineland."Sharia law is not tolerated on German soil," said Minister Thomas de Maizière of Interior today in the newspaper Bild.

The group of radical Islamists would by doing so "abuse the good name of the German police."Minister of Justice Heiko Maas supplemented by saying that only the state is responsible for the maintenance of law and order. The Islamists walked at night through the city with orange vests imprinted with "Shariah Police."

Against 11 people an investigation has started on suspicion of violation of the law on public gatherings. The youngsters, aged between 19 and 33 years, were not arrested because there was no direct reason.

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Yes Sharia is extreme, but providing they do not enforce it upon those who do not wish to live under it, then I don't care what they do.

I copied this comment but forget who wrote it earlier in this thread because I wanted to point out that the entire context of Sharia Law is exactly that--to impose it on everyone everywhere. That's what ISIS's goal is--to bring and impose Sharia Law on the world.

I am with the same view that I don't care what anyone does, as long as it doesn't interfere with my life and my views, but realistically, that's not what I am seeing happening with these extremists.

a reply to: Hoosierdaddy71 That is a very good point.

Sharia law has no place in Western societies. It creates a two rule-of-law systems. The only law that should be abided by is the law of the country you are living in. No allowance should be made for religions to determine their own laws above that of the host country.

Personally, I don't believe this is a subject that is up for debate. You should not make separate laws for differing cultures, particularly laws based on religious belief, as that is religion interfering with state business.

You people still aren't figuring out how this game works. Somebody works tirelessly to immigrate radicals to the west. Then same people work hard to stir them up. Once they transgress, they pump it out on their media channels.

The end goal is to piss us off, at which point they tell us "see, we told you muslims are bad."

These little racial-social tricks play out constantly to sway your opinion and the vast majority of you are clueless to it. Here is another dirty secret, a lot of the radical muslims aren't even muslims, hell some aren't even arabs.

a reply to: buster2010

Your examples only serve as a display of your laughably poor judgement. I suppose you would equate the Westboro Baptist Church to the Spanish Inquisitors?

In most of the places you mentioned, Christians are being persecuted and killed by Muslims. Of course some are going to fight back. As for Norway, you can only be referring to Brevik. A single deranged man on a shooting spree is not a militant Christian movement.

For all your talk about research and reality, you demonstrate an astonishing level of misinformed ignorance.

a reply to: skalla

I live in the Uk yes, and by examining the evidence via news reports, court reports and the video (singular) always provided as evidence i'm certain. For my whole life i have lived in densely populated, multicultural areas (West Midlands and Manchester) and had precisely zero trouble with Muslims of whom i have known hundreds as school mates, work colleagues, clients and neighbours. Bring me a whole bunch of reports and vids on Sharia patrol and i'll be happy to demonstrate my point, i've done it here on ATS many times. Last time was last week.

fair call some U.K citizens are saying it is happening i guess the truth lies somewhere in between