Arrested for Speaking Out at School Board Meeting - Video

originally posted by: seeker1963

It's time to point the finger at our school systems and the government! A parent whom is arrested for doing WHAT????? Protecting his daughter from reading porn in a public school??????

America died a long time ago in my eyes......

Man I hate to agree with your point but it is accurate you said it well, it just hurts to see my country this way.

I am disappointed these people did nothing but watch, and I don't blame him a bit for bringing a camera and crew, in today's world it's the only way to shed light on the cockroaches of today. Cameras the internet and places like ATS are what will change things in the long run, technology has it's downside but it also has it upsides. When the evils of the world are shown day after day the citizens will no longer be affected by the media propaganda machine.

originally posted by: seeker1963
It's time to point the finger at our school systems and the government! A parent whom is arrested for doing WHAT????? Protecting his daughter from reading porn in a public school??????

except that's not why he was arrested.

he was arrested for being loud, rude, obnoxious, and refusing to stop such behavior when asked, and refusing to leave when asked....he made a scene on purpose. notice how he told the cop "you're gonna hafta arrest me then"..he's an attention whore.

he was arrested for being a jackass, not because the BOE didn't like his opinion.

What amazes is is that no one else seemed to mind what happened. They all just sat there hoping they wouldn't get into trouble as well. I would have objected to him being arrested even if i didn't agree with what he was saying.

Well, holy cow, that is a really hrmmm....interesting book. Outside of the erotica, I am really perturbed by this book. Back in the 90's there was a book about a school shooting titled "Rage" by Stephen King. Turns out that many of the school shooters in the 90's actually owned that particular book and it was so frequent that Stephen King himself removed it from publication out of his concern that it was inciting school violence.

No kidding.

"The Carneal incident was enough for me. I asked my publisher to take the damned thing out of print. They concurred."

Rage wiki

So brilliant move, school board. Erotica and school violence are really great subjects for our middle school children to read. I really hope to hell that this book isn't part of my youngest's curriculum because I'll have quite a few words to say on the subject myself. I'll let you know if I get arrested.

Everyone should stand up for peoples rights even if they dont agree with what they are saying.

Then the world would be a better place.

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I just read the excerpt from the book.

There are times when it's appropriate to be polite, follow rules, and have a civilized discussion. And then there are times when it's not appropriate.

The school provided pornography to underage teenagers, that's what sexual predators do.

That is one of those occasions when being polite, following the rules and having a civilized discussion isn't appropriate. This is one of those times when you need to put a little fear in the perpetrators hearts.

What a weak pathetic people we've become when a man speaking out of turn in response to his child being exposed to pornography by the school system can be arrested for it; and people just sit idly by, some even defending the arrest.

He could have gotten away with a lot more than that if I was on the jury.

a reply to: imwilliam

I want to read the excerpt from the book. Is it to graphic to post on ATS?

a reply to: PhoenixOD

Hey Phoenix,

Ladyjae posted a link on the first page of the thread.

Perhaps the father should take his two minutes and read that passage during one of these meetings. If anyone complains just let them know this is what they are expecting students to read and if it is good enough for the children it is good enough to be read aloud in a public forum.

a reply to: imwilliam

Thanx, reading now.

Hmmm.. ok that's a tough one. I'm pretty much against censorship but my knee jerk reaction was that its a bit to graphic. But then after a moments reflection I'm thinking well don't kids have sex education by that age at school? So they can read about sex in one lesson but not in another?

Considering the amount of porn on the internet these days i would doubt there is anything there that most teenagers haven't seen on film. . There's 7 billion people on the planet most of which are a product of sex so its hard to keep it under wraps. On the other hand Its a fathers job to be protective of his daughter.

This is a tough one.

originally posted by: PhoenixOD
What amazes is is that no one else seemed to mind what happened. They all just sat there hoping they wouldn't get into trouble as well. I would have objected to him being arrested even if i didn't agree with what he was saying.

You presume much...I took it to mean that they were embarrassed by the scene that the clown was making...video crew and all!. He was looking to manufacture outrage outside of the meeting...he succeeded. It was all done for maximum effect, and I'm not surprised that the other parents were uncomfortable in being extras in his little production.

a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

I understand what you're saying.

Hey Phoenix,

Considering the amount of porn on the internet these days i would doubt there is anything there that most teenagers haven't seen on film. .

So lets think about this. Because some students that age may have seen porn online that makes it ok for the School District to provide it to all students? What about if some random adult wants to show a 14 year old porn, is it ok because that 14 year old might have already seen porn? How far do we push the "hey the kids been there, done that" so what ever anyone else does with/to them is ok as long as it isn't new? First older guy that provides them with porn does jail time but second guy gets off?

At least that's the way I look at it, Phoenix.

a reply to: imwilliam

Im not using that line of reasoning as an argument for it , i was just weighing up some of the points to consider.

We could get into the definition of porn. Was the book written to cause sexual excitement or was there just a short passage in it describing a sexual act?

I don't think there is any age restriction on sex in literature is there? I think any teenager can buy 50 shades of grey.

I think this is a difficult one to call.

a reply to: PhoenixOD

What is offensive pornography is actually dictated by the Miller Test. The book would be cleared of being offensive pornography based on a few counts. Considering the book is describing a sex act in detail between underage minors, then it could fall under child pornography. However, again, the sum of the work is not the sex acts and it's one portion of the book. The tendency is to look at the book in its entirety and whether or not it has any value or if it's simply been written for the sake of describing erotic activity. That's the overview of what is pornography via the Supreme Court. The book would not be considered pornography under either of those standards.

HOWEVER, that does not mean that it is appropriate for the school to assign a book that contains explicit content that may be inappropriate for children of that age. When I was in high school, I remember that there were a lot of parents complaining about "Catcher in the Rye". I read it and had no issues with it though in other parts of the country people were burning it. "Catcher in the Rye" is nothing compared to what I read in that little excerpt of "Nineteen Minutes". While I thought those people back in the day that were burning the former were a little off their rockers, I'm not going to go burn "Nineteen Minutes" but I do have significant issues with my country's public education system making it a part of their curriculum and not just for the erotica passage but the subject matter of the book, itself.

Like I said previously, we've been through this turf before with Rage by Richard Bachmann (aka Stephen King) and King, himself, took it out of publication because of so many school shooters having a copy on hand. We're having shootings in our schools again and golly, another book about school shootings in the curriculum. What could go wrong? I'm not going to burn the book but I am going to look at the public educators and ask them how long they've been idiots.

P.S. On an interesting side note, Catcher in the Rye is also associated with shooters but older ones.

I find this to be disturbing also (school board's official statment...emphasis mine)

“The School District policies IGE, IJ, IJA, KEC (available on the school district website) refer to the procedures for the use of novels containing controversial material. The district will take immediate action to revise these policies to include notification that requires parents to accept controversial materials rather than to opt out. Furthermore, the notification will detail more specifically the controversial material.”

While I won't act out at a board meeting, I will not allow my pre/early teens to read smut or a book that deliberately "blurs the line" between right and wrong. The so-called educational institutions blur that line enough without my help.

So, if we can't speak more than a few seconds at board meetings, can't get a meeting with school officials, don't get the right to opt our children out of certain things, exactly what recourse do we have? To close our mouths and go along with what we perceive to be wrong? I think not.


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a reply to: LadyJae

Wow. That's really uncool.

I remember kids being able to opt out of animal dissections based on religious reasons in my school back in the day. Now apparently, dissections are an A-OK for opting out on based on "moral or religious reasons" in a variety of places around the country--including New Hampshire.

www.humanesociety.org...
dcist.com...

So opting out of dissecting a frog is ok for socio-religious reasons but opting out of reading a book for potentially those same reasons (and which was considered controversial enough to warrant the presence of a police officer because of estimated parental reactions) is not ok?

I'm not impressed either.