Arrested for Speaking Out at School Board Meeting - Video

a reply to: poiSoN466

If he wouldn't shut up, I think it's absolutely reasonable. I don't think he should have been arrested, from what I saw, but yes, escort him out if he won't shut up.

originally posted by: Realtruth
If this guy has a hidden agenda, since he is a lawyer, and he is taking advantage of a situation, which I hope is not the case, then I would have to place him in the scumbag lawyer section.

Rights are one thing, but ambulance chasing lawyers that bait the system are almost as bad a corrupt politicians.

Fair answer, thanks.

From extended video it seems exactly the case of someone trying to get attention... for whatever purpose...



a reply to: poiSoN466


We can talk about education, but that would be off topic here. Sure I think that there is a good reason for that book, and this parent as well some comments on this topic best answer why education is so bad today. We are trying to dictate teachers what to teach kids, while those religious are trying to push their belief in education as well. Of course our education is in decline, if lawmakers are spending 3 months to word simple 8th years old request so that it does not goes against their personal own belief?!

Today lawmakers are not just trying to dictate what, how and at what speed to teach children, but also are trying to place measures, while taking money away from classroom. Same goes for pre-K education, which should be mandatory and free for all kids, but guess how that goes with today politicians...

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
a reply to: poiSoN466

If he wouldn't shut up, I think it's absolutely reasonable. I don't think he should have been arrested, from what I saw, but yes, escort him out if he won't shut up.

Than I agree with you. I do think that he should have been escorted out of the meeting. Arresting him is just ridiculous. He's gonna spend a night in jail, and then any sane person would come after everybody for violation of his First Amendment. While he may not win, that is a lot of litigation and red tape to sift through. No thanks. Escort him out, calm him down, and let it be done. There are right ways to handle both sides of the situation, and quite honestly, I would have expected a better decision made from the authoritative side of the coin.

originally posted by: SuperFrog

originally posted by: Realtruth
If this guy has a hidden agenda, since he is a lawyer, and he is taking advantage of a situation, which I hope is not the case, then I would have to place him in the scumbag lawyer section.

Rights are one thing, but ambulance chasing lawyers that bait the system are almost as bad a corrupt politicians.

Fair answer, thanks.

From extended video it seems exactly the case of someone trying to get attention... for whatever purpose...



a reply to: poiSoN466


We can talk about education, but that would be off topic here. Sure I think that there is a good reason for that book, and this parent as well some comments on this topic best answer why education is so bad today. We are trying to dictate teachers what to teach kids, while those religious are trying to push their belief in education as well. Of course our education is in decline, if lawmakers are spending 3 months to word simple 8th years old request so that it does not goes against their personal own belief?!

Today lawmakers are not just trying to dictate what, how and at what speed to teach children, but also are trying to place measures, while taking money away from classroom. Same goes for pre-K education, which should be mandatory and free for all kids, but guess how that goes with today politicians...

It may be slightly off topic, but it was in response to your post. I'm simply saying don't say there is a good reason for anything our education system does. Do you KNOW there was a good reason for them reading that book? I've yet to see one.

a reply to: poiSoN466

I can't tell, I have not read the book. I am sure after this it will be on my list of books to get next time I visit library or B&N.

This is age I believe 1984 is found to be appropriate... or posters here believe that books should not be at that grade level either?!

originally posted by: SuperFrog
a reply to: poiSoN466

I can't tell, I have not read the book. I am sure after this it will be on my list of books to get next time I visit library or B&N.

This is age I believe 1984 is found to be appropriate... or posters here believe that books should not be at that grade level either?!

Don't get me wrong, when I was in 10th grade, we read Catcher in the Rye, now that book isnt graphic by any means necessary, but it DOES show the mental downward spiral an individual can go through. Fantastic read imo.

originally posted by: SuperFrog
From extended video it seems exactly the case of someone trying to get attention... for whatever purpose...

How about....

The group has been critical of teacher unions and Common Core policies adopted by most states. In the EAG interview, Baer said that he thinks the nation's public education system is indoctrinating children with moral relativism and that politicians and educators running the public school system want to undermine the family unit and undermine traditional morality.

Link

Are we seeing any buzzwords there? Agree with his sentiments if you like, agree with the Education Action Group Foundation if you like, too. We're free countries. But don't try to tell me that this whole event wasn't concocted from start to finish.
Why?
Sure manufactured some outrage here, right? Y'all's bin played.

Read the excerpt, and WOW!

That is disgusting to give to children!

I had to read Native Son in my AP Senior English, our teacher told us there was an explicit masturbation scene (small apples compared to this smutt). However, we were given the option to read an edited version, since the scene really wasn't vital to anything.

Argh! This males me SO mad!

Flipping.effed up!

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: SuperFrog
From extended video it seems exactly the case of someone trying to get attention... for whatever purpose...

How about....

The group has been critical of teacher unions and Common Core policies adopted by most states. In the EAG interview, Baer said that he thinks the nation's public education system is indoctrinating children with moral relativism and that politicians and educators running the public school system want to undermine the family unit and undermine traditional morality.

Link

Are we seeing any buzzwords there? Agree with his sentiments if you like, agree with the Education Action Group Foundation if you like, too. We're free countries. But don't try to tell me that this whole event wasn't concocted from start to finish.
Why?
Sure manufactured some outrage here, right? Y'all's bin played.

Are you talking about the rage here on ATS?

originally posted by: poiSoN466
Are you talking about the rage here on ATS?

Indeed! So who is this EAG, whose Ben Velderman is trumpeting the cause?

He works for a Michigan-based anti-union grouplet called the Education Action Group. It’s an ironic name considering they are against public education, do action that mainly consists of harassing union activists and are a group that is so small they could hold their annual convention in a toilet stall.
AEG’s leader is Kyle Olson. Olson’s fame centers on his campaign to remove the picture book, Click Clack Moo, Cows that Type, from kindergarten classrooms on the basis that it mentions the word negotiation. Olson claimed the book was pro-union indoctrination. Which it is, by the way. Great book. Buy it for your kids this holiday season. Although Olson promised to “make me his personal project,” I haven’t heard from him in a while. Until yesterday.
AEG is really a creation of a right-wing stink tank called the Mackinac Center for Public Policy. It in turn is funded with Koch brothers and De Vos family money. That is hard to prove because it is funded with dark money - money that is bundled and hidden from public scrutiny by recent Supreme Court decisions.

Link
I think I see a pattern emerging.

a reply to: Realtruth

The insanity is unbelievable. He stopped being a disturbance . This is an unacceptable arrest.

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: poiSoN466
Are you talking about the rage here on ATS?

Indeed! So who is this EAG, whose Ben Velderman is trumpeting the cause?

He works for a Michigan-based anti-union grouplet called the Education Action Group. It’s an ironic name considering they are against public education, do action that mainly consists of harassing union activists and are a group that is so small they could hold their annual convention in a toilet stall.
AEG’s leader is Kyle Olson. Olson’s fame centers on his campaign to remove the picture book, Click Clack Moo, Cows that Type, from kindergarten classrooms on the basis that it mentions the word negotiation. Olson claimed the book was pro-union indoctrination. Which it is, by the way. Great book. Buy it for your kids this holiday season. Although Olson promised to “make me his personal project,” I haven’t heard from him in a while. Until yesterday.
AEG is really a creation of a right-wing stink tank called the Mackinac Center for Public Policy. It in turn is funded with Koch brothers and De Vos family money. That is hard to prove because it is funded with dark money - money that is bundled and hidden from public scrutiny by recent Supreme Court decisions.

Link
I think I see a pattern emerging.

Just one more reason why I think society is crap, and so is the social media, and everything that goes along with it. Maybe this was devised from the beginning. I'm sure they KNEW that this was gonna become a stink, it isn't far-fetched to think so. But with that being said, who should REALLY be arrested here?? Lol

originally posted by: poiSoN466
But with that being said, who should REALLY be arrested here?? Lol

Why, the guy who insisted upon it so that we and untold others would be talking about it!
Like I said, everybody is entitled to express an opinion...but when you pi$$ in my face and tell me it's raining out, I stop caring about the opinion and get more concerned at being played.

a reply to: seeker1963

no, i'm not a parent, and that doesn't matter, so you can stop that right now.

if i were a parent, and my child was being exposed to subject matter i didn't think was appropriate, i would address it the right way, using the proper channels...i wouldn't disrupt a meeting, make a scene, and be obnoxious, because i wanted to soapbox...

there's a right way, and a wrong way to do things...he did it wrong..

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: poiSoN466
But with that being said, who should REALLY be arrested here?? Lol

Why, the guy who insisted upon it so that we and untold others would be talking about it!
Like I said, everybody is entitled to express an opinion...but when you pi$$ in my face and tell me it's raining out, I stop caring about the opinion and get more concerned at being played.

Good point sir. I like the way you researched that. If I wasn't at work I would have done some research on it myself!

That's the problem with a lot of institutions nowadays. They're always manipulating the social media or the public so benefit themselves. It's disgusting.

America land of the free, home of the gun toting bully.

a reply to: PhoenixOD

huh?

for my second line, i shall point out the irony of the link in your sig, as it pertains to the statement you just made.

a reply to: Daedalus

Huh?

There was no presented argument in my post it was a statement of opinion.