Russian Jet Provokes U.S. Military Naval Ship

Flyzoid
reply to post by TritonTaranis

 

Russia's political system is mafia style. Ours is pretty corrupt also, but there is no comparison, its like comparing a street gang in chicago to a mexican drug cartel.

. Why is Russia being so provacative, almost like Putin knows how we will respond?
I dont know but food for thought I guess eh.

Someone with eyeballs akimbo Russia has been Mafia style since Catherine the grrreeat, she told her 'civil servants' to "live off the fat of the land", (in other words beat the crap out of the peasants for a wage) it's been much like that since.
What Putin is doing, is actually quite restrained, the Ukraine owes Russian £1.2 billion in energy bills, and no sign of the gelt. He could pull the plug at any time, but hasn't, (he could do that to Western Europe too but hasn't) he is actually spending more by having his troops deployed to defend the ethnic Russians. So the US and Western Europe are not going to get physical any time soon over Ukraine's mobster government and they know it, he knows it.

mysterioustranger
It flew near...didnt "provoke". What? You think everyone scrambled on the ship to aim their guns? No. Flying close is a far cry...FAR CRY...from provoking the US to start shooting.

You flamed this issue with the word. Provoked them? Apparently not..we did nothing about it...and werent going to anyway.

AND...even if it did provoke us a bit...we'd do nothing about it.

This thread bent the truth sideways>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

edit on 09-22-2013 by mysterioustranger because: (no reason given)

Actually you are incorrect. By international law and treaty such actions by a military aircraft around a warship are considered "provocative acts" and are not allowed. This happened a lot during the cold war.

They should have shot the #er down and claimed the missile release was automatic.

US Government should answer why the hell are their ships in the Black Sea. Their time limit was reached long ago and they have no right to be there at the moment. Russians were probably just trolling and since US Ship has no right to be there, they have no right to complain.

reply to post by Darkblade71


Not really. The only reason why this sort of thing ever stopped was lack of money for long range flights.

reply to post by baburak


Since when? That is still international waters, as long as they're outside the 12 mile limit. They have as much right to be there as Russian ships have to be off the US coast.

baburak
US Government should answer why the hell are their ships in the Black Sea. Their time limit was reached long ago and they have no right to be there at the moment. Russians were probably just trolling and since US Ship has no right to be there, they have no right to complain.

The U.S. Navy has every right to be in the Black Sea as the Russian Navy does. Our Navy is in the Black Sea as a deterrent and at the direct request of several of our NATO allies, for whom we have a sworn commitment to defend in the event of Russian invasion or attack.

reply to post by Darkblade71

Not a ww3 starter, but a good indicator of how the US is being tested and poked to see what it's reactions are.

You do remember 30 to 40 years of the cold war. This is nothing despite what hawks want out of it.

yuppa

TDawgRex

TritonTaranis
Russia behaving increasingly aggressive towards just about everyone in recent years

A sure sigh when you know someones wounded and trapped, so that's good to know

Putin is scared and doesn't really want to admit it. His country is falling apart...again. (In what, thirty years?)

If this cat stays in power much longer, he will do something that bodes ill will for us all. He's more narcissistic than Obama, but willing to act on it, that's the scary part.

edit on 14-4-2014 by TDawgRex because: Just a ETA

TD youre not acting ballsy enough when earlier you mentioned a radio message to the pilot. ID a gave him a ultimatum. either you leave this airspace or we will light you and your compatriot up the next time you decide to make a pass. What are you rintentions?(of course in russian so he cant say he didnt understand) Say do those CIWS have training rounds liek Paint rounds? Imagine if they did and you lit them up with paint rounds. would they had crapped their pants i wonder?

Ya good luck with that .. had there been such an action to fire anything upon those jets ..that donald duck boat would be sunk .. both sides know they can posture and have to show 'they are there' ..but nobody will fire anything first .. this ain't Iraq .. it's the Russian federation ..

NavyDoc

LightningStrikesHere

rickynews

LightningStrikesHere
Does the US own that part of the sea? Or air space? sounds like FUX news is trying to make a Mountain out of a mole hill..

wish we had Access to record on how many times US drones violated "air space"


Just saying....

The American people deserve to know, and have any information made available to them, when another military attempts to provoke our forces. Fox News is not the bad guy for reporting the news to the American people. There is a thread on ATS on that already.

This thread is about what this could mean as a development in the Ukraine, Russia and U.S. and NATO situation crisis.

edit on 14-4-2014 by rickynews because: (no reason given)

I am not disputing "the right to know" just trying to think realistically here . If the Russians wanted to "provoke" i am sure they wouldn't hesitate ..

Shooting at the US ship would be a "provoking action" and that didn't happen..

It sounds like the Russian pilot was just being a bit of maverick....

Actually such flybys are provocative and are against the rules that govern behavior of ships and aircraft at sea. The Soviets used to do this a lot in the Cold War. Looks like Vlad is trying to role history back to that time.

Who's rule ? U.S? ...


what's the "rule" ? Please show me..

According to the pentagon they never Flown directly over the ship , 1000 yards away ..
What exactly is the "rule parameter"?

reply to post by LightningStrikesHere


US-Russia (Soviet) treaty to prevent an incident during interception and overflights after a number of aircraft were damaged or shot down.

Fighters wont lock their fire control onto the aircraft, aircraft with tail guns will point them up and away from the fighters, and they won't lock onto or fly an attack profile on ships.

reply to post by roadgravel


Well, maybe I just forgot how things were back then for a little bit.

You know, a lot of the kids today have no idea what the cold war was like.

Subs chasing each other, spies in West Berlin....

It is just sad to see that things are not changing....

reply to post by smurfy


Yes, you could not even wrap your head around this its so asinine. Vladimir Putin reportedly has 20 billion, yes billion dollars in the bank! The man has over 100,000 government employees paid to protect him.
I just finished a historical essay on the man and I can only describe his life as something out of a james bond movie. Its like he wants to be the super villain. He probably has some tall evil looking russian woman basking in his fireplace just like in the movies.
Anyways, like a mobster Putin will take the whole world with him without even batting an eye. Its gonna be a long bumpy road. How about that doomsday clock eh.

junglimogli:

Hey genius...

That's about the only thing you got right with your post, Mowgli...bear necessities and everything.

Well done.

Zaphod58
reply to post by smurfy

 

Ship radars are a completely different ballgame. The Aegis radar gets an update/upgrade every few years, Abbe the BMD radar is different from the standard Aegis radar.

If you can get a good enough snapshot, you can identify a ship from the EW signature.

My point is that the reality is no-one is that worried, except and only maybe the Lithuanians, (in this case)
Anyway, where were the 15-20 American NATO aircraft? where were the UK Typhoons? where were Lithuania's own aircraft? and where was the piggin' AWACS?

The overfly 'report' is for home consumption, akin to William Hague, (the porky teller) being wheeled out every so often to say how naughty Putin is.

reply to post by rickynews


Yes,we have been in the Black Sea for Decades.We were there back in !969 - 1972 when i was in the Navy!!

reply to post by baburak


So bodies of water are owned by specific countries now?

reply to post by rickynews


So much for being a deterrent? I wonder if the Russians have subs in the Black Sea?

Restricted
reply to post by baburak

 

So bodies of water are owned by specific countries now?

Yes, and for a long time too. Referred to as "territorial waters"

I just hope for the sake of planet Earth that the United States doesn't react to this by shooting the next one out of the sky, or somehow an anti-aircraft missile 'accidentally' shoots one out of the sky.

We're very close to a place we don't want to be right now and the slightest provocation or reaction might just set off a nasty chain of events.