Russian Jet Provokes U.S. Military Naval Ship

reply to post by Moelson


None actually. Russian ships used to always sail off the US Atlantic coast without incident. They went into Cuba, and sailed around the eastern seaboard all the time.

hellobruce

rickynews
The Black Sea is in International Waters. U.S. Navy has as much right to be there as the Russian Navy.

And a Russian aircraft also has a right to be there... so why the fuss/

The issue is that there are international maritime laws that dictate how aircraft operate around ships and ships operate around ships. A warplane cannot fly within so many feet of a ship or cross it's bow or run down it's length without being considered hostile given the parameters contained within these laws. This goes for Australian warships underway just as much as it does for American ships.

This is something the Soviets were very famous for, including intentionally running into NATO vessels. It was both testing responses and harassment and they even would run between to vessels doing underway replenishment, snapping oil lines, causing a very dangerous situation and an oil spill.

Here is such a typical occurrence form the 80's:



It was so common, US ships had a whole set of rock and roll songs to blare over the 1MC as the Soviet vessel came up. You can hear them on this film. It was not added later

Here's video of the Yorktown getting bumped.



Zaphod was right, certainly we observed Soviet vessels in our waters and around our coast, but we didn't go so far as to create a dangerous situation, and neither did the Brits or Australians or French. This is a uniquely Soviet, now Russian thing.

Zaphod58
reply to post by smurfy

 

Technically they don't fly directly over them for safety reasons.

Obviously, however that detail is not part of the report that is in the OP, it is in other reports however. I always find that Ironic how the military always honour themselves and each other with the 'technical' rules of engagement, while at the same time will shoot the crap out of merchant ships breaking embargoes without so much as a "how'd you do"... so easy peasy.

reply to post by rickynews

Russia (even though they are corrupt as hell) is a brilliant Counter point to 5-Eye, NWO, U.S.-Mil-Industrial-Complex Corruption.

Russia needs to exist and to be this counter point to the U.S.

smurfy

Zaphod58
reply to post by smurfy

 

Technically they don't fly directly over them for safety reasons.

Obviously, however that detail is not part of the report that is in the OP, it is in other reports however. I always find that Ironic how the military always honour themselves and each other with the 'technical' rules of engagement, while at the same time will shoot the crap out of merchant ships breaking embargoes without so much as a "how'd you do"... so easy peasy.

Yeah, and that's not true. There are specific maritime laws that the US and our NATO and Australian allies follow, even for ships breaking an embargo. Please point out where a US warship shot up a merchant ship, "easy peasy."

dominicus
reply to post by rickynews

 

Russia (even though they are corrupt as hell) is a brilliant Counter point to 5-Eye, NWO, U.S.-Mil-Industrial-Complex Corruption.

Russia needs to exist and to be this counter point to the U.S.

What makes you think Russia is not part of "the New World Order?" What makes you think they are absent "military industrial complex" corruption?

Moelson
reply to post by rickynews

 

I think that the fact that the U.S. has to have their nose and a WARSHIP in the Black Sea in the first place is provocative enough. It is NATO and the EU who should be most concerned of goings on in this area. The fact that th US deems it necessary to provide such means as a warship just goes to show where they would like this to go does it not? Think of things from a Russian pilot pov. If there were a Russian ship in neutral waters off te coast of the states how many pissed off Air Force pilots would get cocky and show them they're not afraid. It's not their fight. Hell it's across the world, same as Iraq and Afghanistan. Therefore. Shouldn't be there in the first place in my opinion. That is all

Territorial waters only extend so far from the coast of a nation.

Look at a map, the Black sea also borders one of our NATO allies, Turkey, and also borders Bulgaria, Romania, Georgia, and the Ukraine. It is not a Russian pond. The US Navy, since it's inception has always exercised freedom of navigation exercises to ensure that the free and open waters to not become claimed by various powers. The US, by doing these exercises, keep the sea lanes open, for everyone to use. The US is not the only country that does this. The Russians and Chinese, as well as all NATO countries do this as well.

reply to post by LightningStrikesHere


no but do you ignore someone who is harassing you? i think giving a warning is perfectly justifiable, besides russia doesn't own it either.

reply to post by NavyDoc


That's crazy, and kinda awesome at the same time. I love the music hah! Thanks a lot for sharing that.

I'm still curious if people defend these sorts of acts because they hate America that much, or because they actually believe it. Of course, tables turned, we'd never hear the end of how wicked and evil the American Bully government is to other countries.

Of course it was done to provoke a reaction. No, it wasn't a joyriding pilot. The point of sending an unarmed jet to repeatedly fly near an American warship, and ignore all incoming messages (which were directly into the cockpit of that plane), was to try and evoke a reaction. Why people decide to get angry at the United States for an action like this boggles the mind. That pilot had to have known he was risking his life... he was given the command to do this from his superiors.

The U.S. has just as much a right to be in those waters as Russia. I don't care how outraged Russia may be that some countries are "concerned" that they simply marched in and took over a part of Ukraine, they don't have a right to try and incite a reaction. People act as if it's nothing. Had we shot it down for whatever reason, would it still have been no big deal?

I agree that Putin is trying to revive the old Soviet Union. And I hope he doesn't go too far trying to do it.

Finally, stop posting the ridiculous pictures of Putin shooting guns or riding bears or whatever. What does that have to do with running a country? Because he was an ex KGB thug, that means he is a cool guy that everyone should respect? The entire government of Russia is corrupt from top to bottom. Why people support their mafia-style behavior blows my mind. U.S. ain't perfect. But Russia is worse.. and people seem to ignore that.

Every time I come here, this comes off more and more as an anti-American website.

reply to post by NavyDoc


As bad as this sounds.

Ah...the good old days.

reply to post by NavyDoc


That is some interesting videos. Thanks for the info and share

Russians are bad? What about the US building specific aircraft to overfly the USSR and take photographs.

All war machines are doing BS in one way or another.

batcrapcrazy

agnisvaha
reply to post by rickynews

 

So much for being a deterrent? I wonder if the Russians have subs in the Black Sea?

here is what is listed as the known russian black sea fleet. There would be additional assets brought in considering the recent problems and world attention.

black sea fleet

Looks like it's all going to boil down to the reliability of NATO anti-missile technology should this go North.

reply to post by NavyDoc

What makes you think Russia is not part of "the New World Order?" What makes you think they are absent "military industrial complex" corruption?

if russia was NWO then there wouldnt be all the U.S. craziness over crimea & b.s. sanctions.

Plus russia no longer has a military industrial complex....you dont see russia invading any of the arab oil countries to bring in "democrazy & freedom". In the U.S.S.R collapse, any mil industrial complex became black market sales and shifting into political positions of power. Russia clearly does not copy the mil-indus-complex moves that U.S. does, which is to always create wars and go to war so that a few can profit from it.

I truly appreciate their existence as a counter point of the checks and balances to U.S. style policing-the-world to create wars and make profits as they see fit. Consdier we no longer have checks & balances in the U.S., constitution is toilet paper, spying on all citizens, lies, loopholes, corps make the choices via lobbying as far as who gets into power, and the people don't have say anymore.

In that case, Russia, China, and other rising powers are necessary to keep the corruption in U.S. in check

dominicus
reply to post by NavyDoc

 

What makes you think Russia is not part of "the New World Order?" What makes you think they are absent "military industrial complex" corruption?

if russia was NWO then there wouldnt be all the U.S. craziness over crimea & b.s. sanctions.

Plus russia no longer has a military industrial complex....you dont see russia invading any of the arab oil countries to bring in "democrazy & freedom". In the U.S.S.R collapse, any mil industrial complex became black market sales and shifting into political positions of power. Russia clearly does not copy the mil-indus-complex moves that U.S. does, which is to always create wars and go to war so that a few can profit from it.

I truly appreciate their existence as a counter point of the checks and balances to U.S. style policing-the-world to create wars and make profits as they see fit. Consdier we no longer have checks & balances in the U.S., constitution is toilet paper, spying on all citizens, lies, loopholes, corps make the choices via lobbying as far as who gets into power, and the people don't have say anymore.

In that case, Russia, China, and other rising powers are necessary to keep the corruption in U.S. in check

I don't know what to say, if you actually and truly believe that Russia and China are less corrupt and less imperialistic than the US. For some people, blind irrationality takes over for facts and history, and there really is no way to rationally discuss an irrational position.

reply to post by NavyDoc

I don't know what to say, if you actually and truly believe that Russia and China are less corrupt and less imperialistic than the US. For some people, blind irrationality takes over for facts and history, and there really is no way to rationally discuss and irrational position.

Corruption is a universal trait of the human condition, of humanity in general, and is equally found as much in Russia, as in China, as in the U.S.

The difference, is the U.S. based corruption is based on Corporate control and war profiteering which makes up the good ol boys club and decision making.

The other two aren't in the market of war profiteering and the majority of corruption is in house corporate/gov in bed together based.

It's not blind irrationality, its logic and reason. There as to be a counter point to America's world policing and biased interests.

Just like the US and all its Nukes pointed at Russia, is the counter point to all of their Nukes pointed at U.S.

America was built on the idea of checks and balances as part of the Constitution, its the reason its all split up between congress, the house of reps, a pres, states, governors, alderman, the people, etc, so no One man holds all the power.

Unfortunately, the corporations and war profiteers, as a combo of NWO/Illuminati/Bankers/Builderberg have circumvented checks and balances so that the Pres is puppeteered based on the decisions of a few dozen people at the top of the scheme.....so in this instance, a Russia and a China are needed as an additional check and balance.

reply to post by NavyDoc


The logic behind this post is absolutely correct. Balance in the world will be maintained by some force and in this case the Russians by rote of its power is selected to be a balancing tool to the great hypocrite of the age the US/NATO worldwide tyranny of money, crime, elite greed, and the war business machine. We won’t go into the occult evil that lies behind this twisted depravity at this time, suffice it to say that this world is in dire shape with such a leader as this US/NATO/WESTERN alliance.

God help us!

Dominicus, great post

NavyDoc

smurfy

Zaphod58
reply to post by smurfy

 

Technically they don't fly directly over them for safety reasons.

Obviously, however that detail is not part of the report that is in the OP, it is in other reports however. I always find that Ironic how the military always honour themselves and each other with the 'technical' rules of engagement, while at the same time will shoot the crap out of merchant ships breaking embargoes without so much as a "how'd you do"... so easy peasy.

Yeah, and that's not true. There are specific maritime laws that the US and our NATO and Australian allies follow, even for ships breaking an embargo. Please point out where a US warship shot up a merchant ship, "easy peasy."

What's not true? and who mentioned the US? I was talking about the military, and BTW there are more countries than just Australia who are 'special' allies to NATO..even now, would you care to elaborate on them?

reply to post by rickynews


There is no question that, short of nuclear weapons, if the U.S. / NATO allies and Russia were to enter into a military conflict, Russia would be embarrassing defeated. Crushed may be a more fitting description.