Originally posted by trueforger
reply to post by BlasteR
There is an Art piece called,"World Tree" painted by Alex Grey back in the '80's.If you check it out you will see the Twin Towers and Two planes
headed towards from two directions,very eerie.Sort of what I understand to be your meaning is which came first?Or is it resonance?
First of all, I love the artpiece. It made my day.
I have listened to the band "tool" since 1995 and they eventually started putting alot of Alex Grey's artwork in their album booklets. Really neat
From what I read in DavoDavo's post that "World Tree" image is just a part of the larger artpiece entitled "Gaia". I know that because I just
saw a link to it in Davo's second link. But that image is freakin' awesome.
To answer your question,
It's really tricky.. But I think you have the right idea.
We DO know in theory that changing anything in the past (even the tiniest detail or one atom out of place) will forever alter the coarse of history
relative to the time transpired since that detail changed. It doesn't matter how large that detail is, or whether or not it even involves any living
being. The point is that even one tiny atom being out of place can eventually set things in motion (cause and effect) that then affect other things
and other things.
So, at least in theory, the extent to which an event (or a lack thereof) alters the timeline is directly related to the time transpired since that
event. 10 years since the atom was moved, maybe not so much would have been altered compared to if that atom was not moved. But a few million or
billion years after that event took place, we are talking about massive changes to the point which cause and effect relationships stack over one
another until the history/future that might have been is completely different when compared to the history/future of what is.
All these cause and effect relationships stack onto one another over time and if you think about it, The differences between two different timelines
(in 2D if you were to stack them) would form a network of filaments (like tree roots or veins) comparable to some of the fractal videos posted
earlier. It would start out small and expand, affect other filaments, and more and more.. Pretty soon it has created an entire alternate future
completely unrecognizable to what might have otherwise transpired. This is amazing to contemplate too and it just goes to show how complex and
beautiful it all really is.
It's important to remember that Human beings are much more prone to changing the timeline than, say, a planet without intelligent animals. We know
that's true because it makes complete sense.
Another really interesting thing to ponder (if you've read my post about the E8 theory of the universe) is the relationship a god would have with the
timeline (If you believe there is a god). We know that we are almost gods ourselves in a way because of how drastically one human being can alter the
course of history. But would an omnipotent god be able to change things in the timeline at will ("on the fly")? For all we know everything is
already pre-ordained (fate) and maybe the timeline basically gave birth to the first human beings on this planet so that our absence wouldn't change
other events on the large-scale timeline of the entire universe. When you consider the instantly appearing pool cue in my last post, its possible
that we, ourselves, simply popped into existence in this same manner. There's all kinds of possibilities here.
One way to look at it is like this.. If there is a God and God knew that we would eventually destroy so much that we would forever alter its plans (I
know, I call god an it and it sounds wierd) then we wouldn't be here right now. What that means is this.. Either we are inevitably going to destroy
ourselves so it doesn't matter.. Or we are going to expand our influence out into the universe someday and do "good" things as highly evolved
intelligent beings (meaning we don't destroy so much that the timeline is eventually unrecognizable to what God had in mind). I like to think of it
as encouraging, but you can't really ever put it past human nature to push the button and end all life as we know it. We live in a pretty sick
The effect of human thoughts on the timeline (which I talked about in my last post) only make a big difference because of how we interact with
ourselves, others, and the world around us. When you consider that large-scale changes happen in nature on geologic timescales (millions/billions of
years), and that we can do the same "in the blink of an eye" with relation to those huge timescales, we see how drastically we as human beings can
directly affect the entire course of history (not just of our planet but the entire universe).
Here is a really interesting thought experiment/paradox called "Quantum Suicide"
A man sits down before a gun, which is pointed at his head. This is no ordinary gun; it's rigged to a machine that measures the spin of a
quantum particle. Each time the trigger is pulled, the spin of the quantum particle -- or quark -- is measured. Depending on the measurement, the gun
will either fire, or it won't. If the quantum particle is measured as spinning in a clockwise motion, the gun will fire. If the quark is spinning
counterclockwise, the gun won't go off. There'll only be a click.
Nervously, the man takes a breath and pulls the trigger. The gun clicks. He pulls the trigger again. Click. And again: click. The man will continue to
pull the trigger again and again with the same result: The gun won't fire. Although it's functioning properly and loaded with bullets, no matter how
many times he pulls the trigger, the gun will never fire. He'll continue this process for eternity, becoming immortal.
Go back in time to the beginning of the experiment. The man pulls the trigger for the very first time, and the quark is now measured as spinning
clockwise. The gun fires. The man is dead.
But, wait. The man already pulled the trigger the first time -- and an infinite amount of times following that -- and we already know the gun didn't
fire. How can the man be dead? The man is unaware, but he's both alive and dead. Each time he pulls the trigger, the universe is split in two. It
will continue to split, again and again, each time the trigger is pulled, and becoming quantum immortal.
This is also interesting with relation to the concept of Quantum entanglement.
And this brings up a whole other can of worms..
The EPR Paradox
one cannot introduce the notion of "elements of reality" without affecting the predictions of the theory. That is, one cannot complete quantum
mechanics with these "elements", because this automatically leads to some logical contradictions (of the type 1=-1).
Einstein never accepted quantum mechanics as a "real" and complete theory, struggling to the end of his life for an interpretation that could comply
with relativity without complying with the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle. As he once said: "God does not play dice", skeptically referring to the
Copenhagen Interpretation of quantum mechanics which says there exists no objective physical reality other than that which is revealed through
measurement and observation.
The EPR paradox is a paradox in the following sense: if one adds to quantum mechanics some seemingly reasonable (but actually wrong, or questionable
as a whole) conditions (referred to as locality, realism (not to be confused with philosophical realism), counterfactual definiteness, and
completeness; see Bell inequality and Bell test experiments), then one obtains a contradiction. However, quantum mechanics by itself does not appear
to be internally inconsistent, nor — as it turns out — does it contradict relativity. As a result of further theoretical and experimental
developments since the original EPR paper, most physicists today regard the EPR paradox as an illustration of how quantum mechanics violates classical
This is pretty far down the rabbit hole..
The simple fact that we are observing the physical world means that things are taking place that wouldn't ordinarily do so. That is absolutely
bizarre... Maybe its just the timeline righting itself? Who knows. We do know that no matter what you do you cannot completely remove the element
of time. Therefore the very fabric of space-time is always "updating" itself in the present alot like a RAM stick might in your computer (with data
constantly being overwritten, processed, and dumped into the past).