The wave is counterintuitive.We see a flatline and think death and that is the opposite of the thing.

The Terrencian word for the end point was infindibulum,or the Trancendental Object at the End of Time.It's like the Koan of,"If all things change,what does this 'change' change into?"And it's easy,change changes to become all things,which is what it always was anyway,so it is also stasis at the same time!

If a time machine were to come into existance,then all the future technology would suddenly be possible at that very instant.Including possible Alien stuff as well.This is the good news.

The bad is what we're into now."Wheel is turning and you can't slow it down.Ya can't let go and ya can't hold on,can't go back and ya can't stand still.Thunder don't get you then the Thunder will."

Terence McKenna was right when he said "it's going to get nuttier and nuttier". I have never doubted his theory from the time I stumbled upon it. There are parallels in his theory with end time bible prophecies.

Look at the news since April 1st. A mass killing almost every day in the US.
I haven't been watching what's going on in the rest of the world, but the Alaska volcano went off again today, as did the big earthquake in Italy.

So it looks like we have maybe 7 days of habit left and then the big plunge into novelty to the 17th of April? Fasten your seat belts.





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Look at the news since April 1st. A mass killing almost every day in the US.
I haven't been watching what's going on in the rest of the world, but the Alaska volcano went off again today, as did the big earthquake in Italy.

The interesting thing is that we have at least three different threads (two of which you mentioned) running right now:

Geopolitical: North Korea's missile test and the controversy surrounding it
Natural: Earthquakes and volcano eruptions
Social: A rash of killings in the US + recent violence in Iraq.

The question is then, will they all contribute to the peak or will it just be one of them (or even something we're not seeing)?

Originally posted by ShadowFC
The question is then, will they all contribute to the peak or will it just be one of them (or even something we're not seeing)?

I don't have the daily timewave. It would be nice to have from April 1st to April 17 on a seperate timewave.

NK and volcanic activity may appear on the timeline.

As far as the violence, I think the timewave itself is contributing to people going berserk. The rapid changes are causing stress, anxiety and depression. It's a good time for people to have a moral compass and some family and friends for support.

I hate to say this, but I suspect demonic forces are at work, preying on those who lack a moral compass and those who are unaware.

Everything depends on the zero date in Timewave Zero.

If the zero date has to be selected, the entire start to end is going to be different depending on the zero date selected.

If there is not certainty behind the 12/21/2012 date then it all means nothing. Change the zero date to something else and everything changes.

delius

Originally posted by delius
Everything depends on the zero date in Timewave Zero.

If the zero date has to be selected, the entire start to end is going to be different depending on the zero date selected.

If there is not certainty behind the 12/21/2012 date then it all means nothing. Change the zero date to something else and everything changes.

delius

Terence McKenna used the 1945 atomic bomb test in his calculations, then arrived at 2012. He used that date because the atomic bomb marks a major turning point for mankind.

He knew nothing about the Mayan calender at the time he found zero point. Using 1945 as a hinge date so to speak, many major historical novelty and habit events in human history lined up. The Zero point of 2012 was the result. Coincidence? I don't think so.

Someone correct me if I am wrong, but that's the way I understand McKenna's arrival at zero point as of this moment.

Originally posted by BlasteR

1) Does the timeline react to human actions like a living organism? Does the timeline represent some kind of higher intelligence or cosmic influence??)

In my opinion, the terms 'timeline' and 'timewave' are two very different things. The timeline we experience is comprised of events, experiences, feelings, emotions, anticipation of future events, and memories of past events - everything associated with the human experience that happens between two points in time. The Timewave, on the other hand, is the wireframe over which reality is woven. It's the skeleton for the body of experience - using the example of a roller coaster, the timeline refers to the people riding it, the exhileration felt, the anticipation, the speed and motion experienced, etc. The Timewave is the unchanging track. It stays the same, but the experience of traversing the track may be experienced differently by different people. The collective experience, however, is similar across the board - bumps, dips, and twists are perceivable.

That said, the structure of the timewave doesn't react to anything. It's set in stone. It's been as it is for a very long time. The events along the timewave can be changed, chosen, manipulated, etc. Crucial points along the wave mark periods conducive to change - what change is experienced is for the most part optional. But it is guaranteed that those particular periods along the timewave will carry events that match not only the novelty levels, but previous events in the past that resonate with the present.

Does a higher cosmic intelligence regulate or oversee the timewave? That's a great question, and I obviously have no answer for that, but it does seem that there is a guiding influence that gave time its apparent structure. It's far from random - there's is a pattern to is all, and that's what the timewave touches upon...this code embedded in time. It is one of man's primary cognitive functions, to pull order from chaos, but first there needs to be chaos, however the structure itself is not chaotic by any means. Our tiny sliver of experience of the timeline only makes it seem that way, and therefore we have failed to see this huge pattern only until now when the cycles have become small enough to experience.

2) What is required for a zero point state on the timeline? All living beings dead? Can human beings still be alive while the zero point is reached??)

It could be any number of things, and not all require the end of consciousness, though that would definitely lead to a bottoming-out of the graph. One major contributing factor could be that our perception of time will be forever changed. If in fact time does not exist apart from our own creative perception of it, then if our perception changes, time itself will change. This will lead to an end of history and time as we know it.

Another possibility is that the technological process that we're all a part of might approach this major point of change, taking us all along with it.

If this is the case we may reach the singularity where all things become possible as a result of our technology reaching exponential accelerative speeds. Or me reach some sort of 'hiccup' that throws the whole thing off course. This hiccup could be a natural occurance (like the Sun reaching a critical point in its cycle where it puts a stop to our progress for some amount of time - maybe that's what the Mayans saw in the future).

Or like I stated in the OP of this thread, maybe another timewave on the other side of 2012 may be causing 'wave interference' that is subsequently flatlining ours...or maybe another civilizations timewave mixes with ours causing a flatline.

The above possibilities are what I'm leaning towards personally. All of the other stuff: pole shift, Jesus returning, Planet X, etc are just stories and hold no more relevance than any of these other ideas.

3) If living beings, including humans, can still be around when zero point is reached, then wouldn't the zero point be achieved regardless of human activities leading up to the Dec. 21, 2012 date? (In other words, does it have to be caused by some kind of cataclysmic/apocalyptic event?)

It doesn't need to be caused by something apocalyptic, though that could very well be the case. Who knows what will bring about the fundamental change that we appraoch, but I do beleive it will be from our doing. Certain things about our future are innescapable, like the path of the timewave. What we do with it is up to us.

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