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and make sure it didn't start the tent on fire.
So you would have 7 in a 6 to 8 man tent, which isn't too bad.
Correct. Same tent, different spot.
the tent photos in above post can not be from the same
spot. there are no trees in the original.
reply to post by dlbott
It seems odd that some of the bodies were there so long and were not eaten on by predators also.
Not odd at all. There isnt a Siberian predator that will eat frozen food. At deep winter above the snow line its common for bodies.to.remain untouched.
locals? no. why would they? there would be tracks all over the place.
Well if there is a small number of outsiders the number of tracks would have just gotten lost in the mix. There was no formal investigation of the tracks because they originally expected to find the folks alive, so it wasn't treated as a crime scene until it had been already walked all over by the first search party.
The fact that no valuables were taken is what best points to locals not being involved, its also part of why I like the “spy contact” theory. If it was a contact gone bad, the contact would have only taken anything that could be shown to be evidence of their having been there.
In some cases it might be hard to tell, like if the knife was really sharp and the cutting motion was perpendicular to the fabric.
How can they possibly tell which side (inside or outside) the knife used to rip it was inserted from?
Eagles have been known to take down deer. It's rational that they would go after soft tissue first.
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Ivanov was the one who first noticed that the bodies and gear found were all radioactive, and said that a Geiger counter he'd brought with him went nuts all around the campsite. He also has said that Soviet officials told him at the time to clamp the case shut, despite reports that "bright flying spheres" had been reported in the area in February and March of 1959.
“I suspected at the time and am almost sure now that these bright flying spheres had a direct connection to the group’s death,” Ivanov told Kazakh newspaper Leninsky Put in an interview dug up by the Times.
Another group of students camped out around 30 miles from the other group reported similar sightings at that time. In written testimony, one said that he saw “a shining circular body fly over the village from the south-west to the north-east. The shining disc was practically the size of a full moon, a blue-white light surrounded by a blue halo. The halo brightly flashed like the flashes of distant lightning. When the body disappeared behind the horizon, the sky lit up in that place for a few more minutes.”
You mean the trees where the bodies were found? They are shown, sort of, in this map as being mostly downhill from that treeless campsite, which also identifies that tent location:
reply to post by Arbitrageur
but were are the trees in the bottom photo?
Thanks for the clarification. Good find. Maybe "lack of game" and "dead" is a good synonym in this case, since above the treeline, the animal as well as plant life diminishes.
I think the folklore may be important because of this reason, where others have said the mountain is called Mountain of the dead this clarifies what it really means and why
reply to post by butcherguy
As far as the tongue and eyes? I'd note something else... This was a standing temperature of roughly -22f/-30c. The one with mutilation was also found with the others in the ravine and under the meters of snow.
How long does it take for exposed flesh like eyeballs to freeze solid as ice cubes, that far below 0? How about the whole head and tongue? If frostbite is roughly a 5-10 minute crisis at those temps (According to National Weather Service exposure impact charts) then how long did a scavenger bird, as some suggest, have to do that damage before #1, they were buried in snow down in the ravine and #2. they froze rock solid?
I recall someone in this thread has real life, direct cold weather/backcountry survival/camping experience. I'd imagine someone who has been out there to do this would know the numbers as a routine matter?