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reply to post by mirageman
Thanks for the fascinating thread, mirageman! Rendlesham Forest is one of my favorite sightings... possibly my most fave, and you have managed to include many details I didn't have knowledge of before. I've been following this thread closely. I hope you'll continue to add info, as you get a chance. Thanks again and great job!
LF – Larry [Warren] had told me here in the beginning that he was at Bentwaters during the time of the incident and that he was on a guard post and a jeep pulled up with a Lieutenant Englund and I believe yourself was in the jeep.
AB – Right…………….
LF – OK. You got out of the vehicles. They took the weapons away from you.
AB – Well, they didn’t take mine………… I had a side arm also….. They did take our big weapons away, which were M16s.
LF – And you started to go into the woods like in a line…. Were there any bobbies there or British police or anything?
AB – Not at the beginning.
LF – OK. As you were going through now, Larry [Warren] said all of a sudden, they could see lights coming through the woods and he could also hear helicopters over above.
AB – Yes, a squadron, pararescue squadron was activated.
LF – Pararescue. Where were they from? Woodbridge?
AB – Woodbridge they weren’t very far away as a matter of fact.
LF – Do you know how many were up at the time?
AB – I recall Major Zickler said, scramble two, I believe he said.
LF – OK. As you got into the field, Larry said the field was ringed by military people and British personnel…… Is that right?
AB – Yes.
LF – How many do you figure there were?
AB – Oh, I estimate at least thirty people.
LF – Now, Larry said that he saw movie-picture cameras.
AB – Movie-picture cameras? ……Well, yeah they were, but I didn’t know they were movie pictures or not. I did see a couple flashes.
It was circular shaped it looked like a pancake. It was thick in the middle, and it would narrow out toward the edges. I seen lights, all kind of lights. It would have been a beautiful sight, you know. The lights were so bright that I could only see certain parts of the craft, and there were a bunch of little gadgets on it, too, like some planes got, and other little gadgets that I never even seen on aircraft before.
LF – Right. All of a sudden he could hear the helicopter or somebody say, “Here it comes.” And they looked up, and over the pine trees came a red ball of light. And this red ball of light like went over the top of this mist in the middle of the field and all of a sudden it exploded into a lot of colors, but there was no sound. Do you remember that?
AB – Yes, I remember that. That’s the main, the cream of the crop I would say.
LF – OK. After the colors dissipated, Larry said, there, was this machine there. This “thing,” what he called it. ……We put Larry under regressive hypnosis. Now, what came out under hypnosis was, while he was in the field and he was standing next to that machine, he was like petrified–frozen–that he couldn’t move, you know? And he could see beings, small type of creatures. And they were talking to an officer there. …….?
AB – Lieutenant Colonel Halt.
LF – Halt. OK. And he said the beings were conversing with Halt. And at this point, something happened on the other side of the craft because all the beings like got defensive. They all lined up. Larry said he could hear a commotion on the other side of this machine, and all the beings’ eyes got real big, and they all lined up in a straight line, real quick, like a defensive move. And then they dissipated a little bit, you know. It seemed to calm down whatever was going on on the other side of the ship. At this point, one of the beings floated over the top and came over by him, and that’s the last thing he remembers. Does it sound anything like you remember?
AB – OK. Oh, boy, let me see. I remember the conversation. I don’t remember word-for-word conversation, OK?..... What was going on? I was shocked.
LF – You saw the beings?
AB – I just couldn’t believe what was going on. I thought I was in a dreamworld or something. … totally helpless. Even though there was plenty of personnel there and they want you to feel secure, and considering the kind of job we did, one would feel secure, but you feel like your whole body, your whole privacy has been invaded………. I remember Colonel Halt said–I remember Larry. I don’t know why they picked Larry, but I remember Larry was going up there, and I was so scared I don’t know what to think. I was in a foreign country, you know.
LF – Yeah. Larry said you made a comment, and you said something like, “Oh, no, not again!” Yes. And Larry said, “What do you mean?” And you said, “I went through this.”
AB –..It was in California where it actually happened….. Mather Air Force Base. Yeah. There, we didn’t really see much we were all out on the perimeter. The alert pad and bright lights lit up the whole area, and there was something in the middle of the pad but hovering about, oh, forty, fifty feet above in the air. Real shiny lights. You couldn’t even look up at it really–bright, bright lights all around. And then it just disappeared. We called it in; they just started laughing at us.
“We were in denial. We went through a denial stage on this. I’m not ready to talk about it. I know Larry was upset because he thinks I let him down by not talking about the underground, but I’m not ready to talk about this.”
Source: Georgina Bruni - You Can't Tell the People
In any proper analysis of this, one has to go back to the raw data, and that means looking again at Halt’s memo and the new transcript of Halt’s tape.... On this latter point, another interesting question is what happened to the various soil and sap samples that Halt had his team collect?
Source : click here
Who had given the original permission for them to leave the base is somewhat unclear.
Colonel Halt has often repeated the story of strange objects flying around in the skies above and beams of light coming down onto the base.
There was a request from RAF Watton for a radar report at 3:00am. But no major alert was called on the base, nor was a request for air support made.
Afterwards, given the significance he now places on the incident, Halt seemingly procrastinated and did not compose his memo to the British Mod about the incident until the 13th January 1981.
Colonel John Alexander’s reply was:
As for going on alert; alert for what reason? Most of the events happened off the base and there was no threat to the base or the weapons stored there.
Note they left their weapons behind because they were on UK soil, and SOFA did not allow weapons off base. As for close air support, doubt any was available nor would it have been useful.
This is an intriguing answer and reinforces my view that whilst these events were happening that Lt. Colonel Charles Halt was not that keen to draw too much attention to events which he later describes as being covered up by the UK and US .
A couple of years earlier in 2010 Tim Eggercic, who was working in the Weapons Storage Area (WSA) at Bentwaters on the night in question, doubted Halt’s story that beams of light were coming down directly where he was located and confronted Halt directly on a radio show back in 2010.
On the show, Halt claims to have a witness confirming something penetrated the airspace above the WSA .Tim Eggercic maintains that he saw nothing to threaten the security of the area . Later Eggercic does mention that, Rick Bobo, in the observation tower reported a “big huge spaceship in the air towards Woodbridge hovering for hours…probably directly south from the WSA”.
I do believe Colonel Halt knows more about this case than he has ever made public.
Adrian Bustinza's testimony is also interesting as he can be heard on the tape Halt recorded but his story goes way beyond that of the good Colonel.
... evaluating whether the claim that "the beam of light from the Orford Ness lighthouse is not visible from Rendlesham Forest".
Basically unless all the major witnesses are badly mistaken and/or lying then the lighthouse is actually irrelevant.
Gary Heseltine, a retired Yorkshire policeman, has done a lot of work on the case and in this video will prove the lighthouse can be seen in the forest.
Some problems I have with Bustinza's story...
The 'meeting' appears to be planned in his story. Bustinza is saying he heard the helicopters say 'Here it comes' and then everyone saw the arrival of the UFO in the field. There were already 30 or so people there including British forces (but not police yet). The claimed presence of 2 US helicopters loaded with US paratroopers is also ALREADY present before the UFO arrival because they announce the UFO arrival.
On many levels this seems tough to swallow. If this was a planned meeting I simply can't imagine British forces allowing the US to take lead in providing security on the ground and in the air over British soil. Unless the 'planned meeting' was made without British knowledge and they came out to the site due to all the commotion going on and were surprised as everyone else...it seems pretty absurd.
I can't imagine the US ordering 2 helicopters loaded for battle to conduct unplanned operations over a forest in Britain. Possibly the relationship is closer than I understand, but that is a long stretch for me. Now if a landing was 'planned' by a US base commander there it would have been 'planned' to happen on the US base, not right beside it. There he has way more leeway in action and support. He can control the situation a million times better.
I don't know. I like a fair bit of Bustinza's story but I can't quite swallow it all.
Lt. Colonel Halt: 3.15: Now we’ve got an object about ten degrees directly south… .........
Lt. Colonel Halt: ... H…here he comes from the south; he’s coming in toward us now!
Sgt. Ball: Sh*t.
Lt. Colonel Halt: Now were observing what appears to be a beam coming down to the ground! [Excited discussion in background]
Sgt. Ball: …Colours…Sh*t.
Lt. Colonel Halt: This is unreal! ..Tape pause.....