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I felt it was important that this latest information on the Khufu Cartouch controversy be given a thread of its own as it is somewhat buried in the previous thread.
It now seems that paint WAS taken from the cartouche of Khufu and that it HAS been dated. The result... sit down folks... the result of the dating apparently dates the pigment from the Khufu cartouche to "centuries". Not millennia as you might expect but "centuries". Here is the Google translation from the Arabic of Professor Ahmed Saied (apparently of Cairo University) who has been following and commenting on this story:
Saied: "...they have analyzed samples of the cartouche of Khufu and reached the result, which is that Khufu did not build the Great Pyramid and that the ink used in the cartridges to jot down details constructed the pyramid is not old, but the age of the pyramid itself is larger than life, cartouche centuries, which confirms that the pyramid is not due to Khufu ..." - Source (4th paragraph).
It certainly seems that Professor Saied is saying that:
a) The paint samples were taken from the Khufu Cartouche (and it seems a this was done a number of years ago).
b) The samples HAVE been analysed (in Germany).
c) Results of the tests HAVE been returned and are known.
d) The paint "is not old" but "centuries".
The implications of this are far-reaching. If true, then this proves beyond doubt, as many alternative researchers have long suspected, that Col. Richard Howard-Vyse did indeed forge the Khufu Cartouche inside the Great Pyramid. This revelation also breaks the only tangible connection conventional Egyptology had that linked Khufu with the Great Pyramid.
Today there is a different landscape.
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Thanks Scott for bringing this ground breaking news to our attention. I wonder what else has been falsified in Egypt to make discoveries appear acceptable to the masses?
They need to send that little rover back up the shaft of the Queen's Chamber to collect a paint sample, through that little hole it drilled. The paint in that spot was left during the pyramid's construction. Carbon dating that paint will settle the real date of the Great Pyramid's construction.
In honor of this recently exposed hoax of Colonel Howard Vyse I present you a clip from Stargate the movie where Daniel Jackson informs a professor at a conference that the discovery of the cartouche of Khufu in the Great Pyramid was a fraud.
Watch the clip from 0:25 to 0:54 to hear the blast against the professor. I recommend watching the clip from the beginning. Actually, you should watch the whole clip as it pertains to this subject, minus the Martians/Men from Atlantis accusation.
thank-you for bringing this news to ATS......is it real or is it crap.????....that is the question.....
according to an orthodox zealots on this site and others on which you post .....any questioning of the orthodox Egyptian king list is the same as heresy.........where has this happened before in our western history??????
a very keen zealot on this website is positive that one cannot date this ochre paint.....new or old...
so do I live in a world where this can be tested or not.????????....for age...
here in Australia ....those competent can date Aussie Aboriginal cave paintings...which are much older than the GP...and ochre paint was very common.
one would think that in this age of the greatest technology available to man....answers could be found.....
send in the privateers I say....some-one like Robert Ballard or a person of the same ilk. Private enterprise is where the expertise and cutting edge technology is happening.........not with Egyptologists...the're hard-up for everything...
my opinion is that ZH was withholding information.....he was a shadey character and did not present well....who cares how many purchased qualifications he had.....degrees are spat out by the millions every year....and ZH ain't king of the mountain no more.....time for some new blood and new ideas.....
conventional wisdom leads to conventional outcomes.......why is the history of Egypt always being questioned.??????..
I look forward to what becomes of this topic.....though i'm not holding my breath.....
personally I would like to see some young Egyptian blood come forward ...break some eggs and make a new omelette....you know...move away from the mum and dad stuff....that the interested public has been fed the last 80yrs....
my opinion is that the answers will come from a maverick who's financier is not beholding to an orthodox institution....though this has probably already been done.....you know how things get done in this world.....
But one papyrus is much more intriguing: it's the diary of Merrer, an Old Kingdom official involved in the building of the Great Pyramid of Cheops.
From four different sheets and many fragments, the researchers were able to follow his daily activity for more that three months.
"He mainly reported about his many trips to the Turah limestone quarry to fetch block for the building of the pyramid," Tallet said.
“Although we will not learn anything new about the construction of Cheops monument, this diary provides for the first time an insight on this matter," Tallet said.
Ultimately, these shafts may point the way to a secret burial chamber where Khufu (Cheops) was buried, Hawass said. While the pyramid already has three known chambers (one of which contains a sarcophagus), he said the true burial place of the pharaoh has yet to be found.
"I really believe that Cheops chamber is not discovered yet and all the three chambers were just to deceive the thieves, and the treasures of Khufu [are] still hidden inside the Great Pyramid, and these three doors could be the key to open this burial chamber," he said in the interview.