And They Call Themselves Christians?

reply to post by Willtell


I have no idea what you are ranting about.
Christians do plenty for charity run food pantries, soup kitchens, foreign aid.

Yes i think you could care less about the poor you just want to demonize christions.

Truth hurts doesn’t it?

Just think how people feel who didn’t get paid last week. That hurt too

Or peoples food stamps getting cut off
That hurts too

Just read the versus and understand that your philosophy is wanting

Your living a LIE!

The whole idea of trying to mix politics with religion is just stupid, it can not and should not work, history has shown that its never a good thing. Letting a book of stories written thousands of years ago influence political decisions today is wrong, the two should not be mixed. Its like Pizza and ice-cream!

And yes that applies to all religion and all politicians.

reply to post by Stormdancer777


You are all wrong.

I want to reveal to the hypocrites and the ignorant their hypocrisy and their ignorance.

I respect REAL Christians. Who try their best to live up to just ONE of these versus.

People who have taken the TRUE LOVE OF CHRIST AND LIVE IT

Willtell
reply to post by Stormdancer777

 

You are all wrong.

I want to reveal to the hypocrites and the ignorant their hypocrisy and their ignorance.

I respect REAL Christians. Who try their best to live up to just ONE of these versus.

People who have taken the TRUE LOVE OF CHRIST AND LIVE IT

Then you'd be willing to go to a Tea Party meeting?

reply to post by Stormdancer777


I am not ranting, my friend.

My conscience is clear
Is yours?

You seem to be the one bent out of shape

reply to post by Willtell


You should know, or you wouldn't be getting so bent out of shape over my post.

Thanks again for the lovely scriptures you must read and heed the word of god often.

Good for you.

Keep the faith.

reply to post by beezzer


Will you read those versus? Do the people like Palin and Bachman in the tea party sound like they adhere to the spirit of those versus? I'll answer for you
HELL NO!

As for going to a tea party meeting? No. It’s not necessary. I know tea party people. I get along fine with them. This is a philosophical debate

reply to post by Stormdancer777


You NEED get the faith!

Willtell
reply to post by beezzer

 

Will you read those versus? Do the people like Palin and Bachman in the tea party sound like they adhere to the spirit of those versus? I'll answer for you
HELL NO!

As for going to a tea party meeting? No. It’s not necessary. I know tea party people. I get along fine with them. This is a philosophical debate

LL

So you know Tea Party folks and get along fine with them, except that they are the devil incarnate and want to ruin the globe.

LL

Have you ever been to a rally? Want to go to one? (I'll put you on the mailing list)

Willtell
reply to post by beezzer

 

Will you read those versus? Do the people like Palin and Bachman in the tea party sound like they adhere to the spirit of those versus? I'll answer for you
HELL NO!

As for going to a tea party meeting? No. It’s not necessary. I know tea party people. I get along fine with them. This is a philosophical debate

Why should they!!!

Why should they govern based on passages of a book written thousands of years ago?

And you live in a plutocracy they tell you they are all good god fearing Christians because it gets them votes so they can keep their power (or gain it) and then get some more cash. Their God is not the god of Abraham and the Kingdom of David but the god of power, money and greed.

It sucks but its the way of the wold.

They would tell you they worship Satan if they thought it would win enough votes to get a seat in Congress.

Willtell
reply to post by Stormdancer777

 

I am not ranting, my friend.

My conscience is clear
Is yours?

You seem to be the one bent out of shape

I don't think your conscience is clear. Not in the least.

YOU keep harping that those of us who have produced something give up what we have honestly made to others who just shlep along on hand outs.

Sorry, I'll give people a hand up...but I refuse to give a hand out. I know, my taxes make me a hypocrite since it is the Government who I am paying my taxes to those who really don't deserve it. (I will admit that there are some who do, but they are in the minority)

I would say that you are the one who is bent out of shape demanding that I pay more.

I think we should start a Sunday Bible study class.

Willtell
reply to post by Stormdancer777

 

You NEED get the faith!

and who do you think you are to judge the faith of another?

beezzer

Nephalim

Stormdancer777

Nephalim
You folks should leave peoples faith alone.

I agree, especially when it is done just for spite. Done for no other reason then to spread discord.

Its worse when people pick a side and then claim innocence.

No. It's worse when someone picks their nose then shakes your hand.



C'MON! Are we really travelling down this road? Are we going to take partisan bull-dookie THIS far?



By great Odin's BEARD! you progressives must be desparate!

You think Im a "progressive?" rofl really? Here let me help you out Beezer.

Progressive Democrats of America was founded in 2004 to transform the Democratic Party and our country. We seek to build a party and government controlled by citizens, not corporate elites-with policies that serve the broad public interest, not just private interests.

In just a couple of years PDA and its allies have shaken up the political status-quo on issues from ending the Iraq war, voter rights, protecting Social Security, a full employment economy, national healthcare and economic justice.

Nephalim

beezzer

Nephalim

Stormdancer777

Nephalim
You folks should leave peoples faith alone.

I agree, especially when it is done just for spite. Done for no other reason then to spread discord.

Its worse when people pick a side and then claim innocence.

No. It's worse when someone picks their nose then shakes your hand.



C'MON! Are we really travelling down this road? Are we going to take partisan bull-dookie THIS far?



By great Odin's BEARD! you progressives must be desparate!

You think Im a "progressive?" rofl really? Here let me help you out Beezer.

Progressive Democrats of America was founded in 2004 to transform the Democratic Party and our country. We seek to build a party and government controlled by citizens, not corporate elites-with policies that serve the broad public interest, not just private interests.

In just a couple of years PDA and its allies have shaken up the political status-quo on issues from ending the Iraq war, voter rights, protecting Social Security, a full employment economy, national healthcare and economic justice.

edit on 18-10-2013 by Nephalim because: (no reason given)

Yep. Progressive. Scared the pellets right out of me!

Nephalim

In just a couple of years PDA and its allies have shaken up the political status-quo on issues from ending the Iraq war, voter rights, protecting Social Security, a full employment economy, national healthcare and economic justice.

The Tea Party could pretty much lay the same claim for the most part. But history has shown us time and time again that socialism just does not work.

It's spelled 'verses', not 'versus'. Geeze.

I can understand how you can't spell words that aren't in the bible, since that's all that you ever seem to read, but how can you get that one wrong?

And farther up, it's 'desperate', not 'disparate', which is an entirely different meaning. Thanks for the laugh, though.

Someday I'll do a rant about the shocking lack of basic educational attainment among religionistas. Thanks for the idea.

Oh, and if you're offended? FORGIVE ME.

reply to post by beezzer


Yea I think the progressives are just folks who were sick of the way the country was being run.
I have other concerns really. Im not much for party politics.

The only real issue I have with the aca thus far is the mandate. and not the pre-existing conditions part. Its the penalty.

Question:
Could we not have just offered tax breaks to insurance companies who do their part and take up the coverage issue? You know the president talked about extortion. Hes right, you don't reward assholes for not doing their jobs and folks don't get to demand money for not doing it. I myself will not be extorted. If you run an insurance company and someone pays for your service, then you should live up to that service. and you do not get into government law and demand that everyone else pay a penalty for YOUR shortcomings and YOUR responsibilities.

Question:
Why not then simply reward the people who do their jobs? why not let the consumers deal with the insurance companies who wont?

So let me ask everyone something once again. Is extortion legal or illegal? Let me provide for you the definition of that word as it pertains to law.
The obtaining of property from another induced by wrongful use of actual or threatened force, violence, or fear, or under color of official right.

The essence of extortion by a public officer is the oppressive use of official position to obtain a fee. The officer falsely claims authority to take that to which he or she is not lawfully entitled. This is known as acting under color of office. For example, a highway department officer who collects money from a tax delinquent automobile owner in excess of the authorized amount on the pretense of collecting a fine is extorting money under color of office. The victim, although consenting to payment, is not doing so voluntarily but is yielding to official authority.

This mandate, while partly lawful, is also partly unlawful. Why is that?
Who told the President and or congress that if a person doesnt buy insurance that:
A. People would die
B. they would not cover people with pre-existing conditions and a result- would indeed suffer from a condition that could result in death?

Is or is that not in fact extortion?

Second the dreaded penalty-
If you do not buy insurance you must pay a penalty, a penalty which increases every year.

Under the common law and many statutes, an intent to take money or property to which one is not lawfully entitled must exist at the time of the threat in order to establish extortion. Statutes may contain words such as "willful" or "purposeful" in order to indicate the intent element. When this is so, someone who mistakenly believes he or she is entitled to the money or property cannot be guilty of extortion. Some statutes, however, provide that any unauthorized taking of money by an officer constitutes extortion. Under these statutes, a person may be held strictly liable for the act, and an intent need not be proven to establish the crime.

Since when is this government entitled to our money? They can tax right? But they cant threaten me if I don't pay a tax, especially if I dont have it to spend. How is this penalty lawful? You cant call it a penalty, while calling it a tax either. Furthermore, since when is it lawful for insurance companies to be entitled to my money? It isn't nor will it ever be so...

Isnt this a federal offense?

"Extortion is also a federal offense when it interferes with interstate commerce. It is punishable by a fine, imprisonment, or both. Another federal statute makes it a crime to engage in extortionate credit transactions."

Well if youre taking all my money I cant participate in commerce.

So I want to know WHO exactly told our government to penalize the whole of a nations people for choosing to either buy insurance or not buy insurance. Which is by everything I can see here, extortion.

Now is it constitutional? Not no but hellll no. Not in my mind.

See this?
Amendment VIII
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Uhh hello? 100 dollars for not buying insurance? Then further rising penalties every year for not buying insurance! Does that sound unusual or even reasonable to you?

Need more than that? God you folks..
Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

You are the people and where you choose to spend or not spend your money is up to you and you alone. Have you ever said to your representation "ok penalize me for not buying insurance" I have not. I'm willing to bet you didn't either. Hmm? Lets look up the word representation for the slow mo minds out there who are too busy christian bashing to get their heads out of vampire asses.
the action of speaking or acting on behalf of someone or the state of being so represented.

AMENDMENT XIII

Section 1.
Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

Section 2.
Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

Again, representation, you didn't ask for this penalty but you got it. and when you asked to have it removed what happened? Second, where does that amednment say you can be forced to enter any contract for any service or labor without your consent? Then is this not a penalty causing involuntary servitude?

AMENDMENT XVI
The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.

You can be Taxed, It doesn't say you can be forced to buy anything under face of penalty. The law is written and passed by a former congress, singed by the president and upheld by the supreme court right? And they tagged this penalty to the end of the year AS A PENALTY. Not a TAX.

AMENDMENT XXIV
Section 1.
The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay poll tax or other tax.

If in any manner due to this penalty you cannot vote? Hmm? You just paid 600 dollars in penalties and now you cant go vote because you have no money to get to the polls? SOMEONE BROKE THE DAMN LAW.

BIGGER THAN # right here god save us all. 14th amendment
The privileges and immunities that are protected under Article IV include the right to receive protection from state government; the right to acquire and possess all kinds of property; the right to travel through or reside in any state for purposes of trade, agriculture, or professional endeavors; the right to claim the benefit of the writ of Habeas Corpus; the right to sue and defend actions in court; and the right to receive the same tax treatment as that of the citizens of the taxing state.

"No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States." This clause protects a person's rights as a citizen of the United States from unreasonable State Action or interference.

Ok where is this "Penalty" happening? Its handed down from federal- without regard to federalism (see amendment 10) to the states, to be enforced by the states against your will.

Article 1 section 9
No Preference shall be given by any Regulation of Commerce or Revenue to the Ports of one State over those of another; nor shall Vessels bound to, or from, one State, be obliged to enter, clear, or pay Duties in another.
Ok.. are states right now getting better costs for insurance than another? Says all over the news they are.

Whats an Ex post facto Law? and why are we talking about it.
Laws that provide for the infliction of punishment upon a person for some prior act that, at the time it was committed, was not illegal.
Hello? was it ever illegal to not buy insurance before? It is now! The federal government has mandated a penalty, therefor made it a crime to not buy insurance and seeks to continuously punish an individual or groups of individuals every year for non compliance of this law. It has never been illegal to not buy insurance and every time you cant.. go figure it out.

I could probably go on and on and have not seen anything that says christians have acted against their own faiths or will towards charity. What I have seen is federal Government overstepping its authority and consent. I dont know how many more ways I can explain it.

Power of the purse? I mean good god. Why cant the congress recognize a right for the people that allows us all to ignore any law or action passed if we feel its an infringement on our right to liberty? # I mean it says in our constitution here.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it.

Is this law not part of government? Then why he hell cant it be abolished? Has this law affected your lives? infringed on your liberties.. are you HAPPY ABOUT IT?

sigh I'm done.